Kobe vs Jordan vs LeBron vs Durant - discussion thread (will be merged here)

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 3 years ago '11        #961
ZeusSlaps 774 heat pts774
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 The Dark Kn1ght said:
how can you lose 4 finals with practically the most stacked squad and be top 5?????
 3 years ago '09        #962
The Bully 349 heat pts349
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kobe losing a Finals with Shaq, karl malone, gary payton and phil jackson as his coach automatically disqualifies him from any top 10 ranking

replace kobe with bron on that 2004 team and the lakers sweep the pistons
 3 years ago '07        #963
stogz 15 heat pts15
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Fact is, people don't judge Lebron based on him having a good month... or a couple scoring titles. When people judge Lebron, they go on his work over the past decade.

For morons that say LBJ's teammates make him better, it's a short sighted approach. LBJ's doesn't shoot 9-of-15 every night because other players put the ball in the hole for him. Yes, the end result is, he wins championships NOW. However, he scores less, shoots less, averages less boards and less rebounds... and for stat wh0ores like the people on this site, how does that help him be better in YOUR eyes? He also wins less games in the regular season now.

So answer me this...

You hate on Lebron now, because he has teammates and want to elevate Durant because he has none. However, when LBJ was in Cleveland, you hated on him there too. Seems to me that you people just want to hate on Lebron at all costs.
 3 years ago '11        #964
Kingpin 313 104 heat pts104
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 The Bully said:
kobe's rings won as a sidekick: 3
jordan/kareem/lebron's rings won as a sidekick: 0


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You just exposed yourself Kareem was the sidekick for a couple of his rings magic got finals MVP that would make Kareem a sidekick right?



Lebron only got 2 rings and 2 finals MVP Kobe got 5 rings and 2 finals MVP fu*k you mean

 whothebestmc said:
Kobe isn't top 5 though...

jordan/magic/russell/kareem/bird/duncan/wilt take your pick.


Lebron being at #10 isn't a bad thing when he's only 29

Although I think he's #9

Russel and wilt not top 5 but that's my opnion I can't put people who played in a era with 10 teams and put up there numbers because they played against people who wasn't there size

Duncan is not better than Kobe that's why Kobe got best player of the decade over him and Kobe team beat Duncan team idk how many times in playoffs


Kobe had a Way better career than bird


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 3 years ago '09        #965
The Bully 349 heat pts349
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 stogz said:
You hate on Lebron now, because he has teammates and want to elevate Durant because he has none. However, when LBJ was in Cleveland, you hated on him there too. Seems to me that you people just want to hate on Lebron at all costs.
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 3 years ago '05        #966
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 stogz said:
Fact is, people don't judge Lebron based on him having a good month... or a couple scoring titles. When people judge Lebron, they go on his work over the past decade.

For morons that say LBJ's teammates make him better, it's a short sighted approach. LBJ's doesn't shoot 9-of-15 every night because other players put the ball in the hole for him. Yes, the end result is, he wins championships NOW. However, he scores less, shoots less, averages less boards and less rebounds... and for stat wh0ores like the people on this site, how does that help him be better in YOUR eyes? He also wins less games in the regular season now.

So answer me this...

You hate on Lebron now, because he has teammates and want to elevate Durant because he has none. However, when LBJ was in Cleveland, you hated on him there too. Seems to me that you people just want to hate on Lebron at all costs.
Nothing else need be said.
 01-28-2014, 12:31 AM         #967
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 The Bully said:
kobe losing a Finals with Shaq, karl malone, gary payton and phil jackson as his coach automatically disqualifies him from any top 10 ranking

replace kobe with bron on that 2004 team and the lakers sweep the pistons
and lebron losing to dallas with prime wade and bosh as the 3rd leading scorer means what again????
 3 years ago '11        #968
whothebestmc 89 heat pts89
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 Kingpin 313 said:
Russel and wilt not top 5 but that's my opnion I can't put people who played in a era with 10 teams and put up there numbers because they played against people who wasn't there size

Duncan is not better than Kobe that's why Kobe got best player of the decade over him and Kobe team beat Duncan team idk how many times in playoffs
I Don't think wilt is top 5 either, but russell is hard to argue against regardless of the circumstances.

Duncan is better than kobe imo, kobe had shaq to help dismantle the spurs and despite that the spurs stayed together and continue year after year to be in title contention. You can't downplay what duncan and the spurs have done, 1 less ring 1 more finals mvp 1 more mvp and he's still doing it at a high level. Duncan would be picked before kobe in a all time draft
 3 years ago '09        #969
The Bully 349 heat pts349
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 The Dark Kn1ght said:
and lebron losing to dallas with prime wade and bosh as the 3rd leading scorer means what again????
that his teams can't win championships when he plays like shyt

but kobe's teams can win championships when he averages 15 points on 40% shooting
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 3 years ago '07        #970
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 stogz said:
Fact is, people don't judge Lebron based on him having a good month... or a couple scoring titles. When people judge Lebron, they go on his work over the past decade.

For morons that say LBJ's teammates make him better, it's a short sighted approach. LBJ's doesn't shoot 9-of-15 every night because other players put the ball in the hole for him. Yes, the end result is, he wins championships NOW. However, he scores less, shoots less, averages less boards and less rebounds... and for stat wh0ores like the people on this site, how does that help him be better in YOUR eyes? He also wins less games in the regular season now.
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So answer me this...

You hate on Lebron now, because he has teammates and want to elevate Durant because he has none. However, when LBJ was in Cleveland, you hated on him there too. Seems to me that you people just want to hate on Lebron at all costs.
they are separated by a single a.ssist...
 3 years ago '11        #971
whothebestmc 89 heat pts89
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 Prime Dilfer said:
You right I take my L and leave the thread. Still they both average 7 boards per game so its a wash imo. All that rebound percentage sh*t.. Miss me with that.
Yeah I understand, thats why I said slightly, I mean come on kd is 6'11-7' with a larger wingspan he should be a better rebounder. But lebron is still better.
 3 years ago '11        #972
The Rhyming Ape 56 heat pts56
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 stogz said:
Fact is, people don't judge Lebron based on him having a good month... or a couple scoring titles. When people judge Lebron, they go on his work over the past decade.

For morons that say LBJ's teammates make him better, it's a short sighted approach. LBJ's doesn't shoot 9-of-15 every night because other players put the ball in the hole for him. Yes, the end result is, he wins championships NOW. However, he scores less, shoots less, averages less boards and less rebounds... and for stat wh0ores like the people on this site, how does that help him be better in YOUR eyes? He also wins less games in the regular season now.

So answer me this...

You hate on Lebron now, because he has teammates and want to elevate Durant because he has none. However, when LBJ was in Cleveland, you hated on him there too. Seems to me that you people just want to hate on Lebron at all costs.
replace durant with lebron and lebron with kobe and we were having this same argument like 6 years ago

Im not mad at anybody who says bron is better. I think kds been better this year but he has some work to do if he wants to be in that convo. My problem is that yall acting like its not an argument at all. like bron is completely untouchable. that one f*g with the lil b avy keeps sayin kd will never be better than him and yall are repeating those sentiments. you really think lebrons gonna be better than kd in 3 years?? I dont.

People sayin russys out like wade aint missed a ton of games. people sayin he dont have rings like bron had some at that point in his career. eventually yall will see that brons reign is coming to an end.........this year. just like kobes did around 2011. hell still be a great player but hes gonna need to pass the key to the league to kd.
 3 years ago '13        #973
Impeccable 198 heat pts198
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 Kingpin 313 said:
You think lebron is top 5 all time?
I'm talking about in terms of skill
 3 years ago '05        #974
micseles 3 heat pts
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 whothebestmc said:
Yeah I understand, thats why I said slightly, I mean come on kd is 6'11-7' with a larger wingspan he should be a better rebounder. But lebron is still better.
I see what your trying to say but what you mentioned literally has nothing to do with rebounding. I say that as someone whose been playing damn near all my life and as coach now.

Like i said earlier in the thread though, i say their even in this particular catagory.
 3 years ago '11        #975
Kingpin 313 104 heat pts104
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 Impeccable said:
I'm talking about in terms of skill
Lebron not even top 50 in skill lebron is all athleticism
 3 years ago '13        #976
Impeccable 198 heat pts198
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 Kingpin 313 said:
Lebron not even top 50 in skill lebron is all athleticism
The disrespect and hatred

Lebron as a player>Kobe and it isn't even close.
 3 years ago '11        #977
Kingpin 313 104 heat pts104
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 whothebestmc said:
I Don't think wilt is top 5 either, but russell is hard to argue against regardless of the circumstances.

Duncan is better than kobe imo, kobe had shaq to help dismantle the spurs and despite that the spurs stayed together and continue year after year to be in title contention. You can't downplay what duncan and the spurs have done, 1 less ring 1 more finals mvp 1 more mvp and he's still doing it at a high level. Duncan would be picked before kobe in a all time draft

The spurs been Parker team for like the past 5 years since he won finals MVP Kobe got more all NBA first team offense and defense and higher on most of the all time list and there's no way Duncan getting picked over kobe be serious the only thing Duncan does better than Kobe is rebound which is expected with his size
 3 years ago '04        #978
Franchise08 69 heat pts69
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 The Bully said:
0 rings

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damn it feels good to use the ring argument


Never laughed so hard from reading a 1st page comment like this....such a fact. Only argument LBJ haters used (and I am unbiased, I'm a Kings fan for crying out loud)....Now that he has rings they try to make up some other stuff...

Simple discussion here:

Accalades/Talent/Athleticism = LBJ>

KD is close, but he's not LBJ and doubt he ever will be. Dude's a beast no doubt but LBJ is just a tad better overall and has the accoldaes to prove it.....KD = 0 of anything that matters..

No all-star team?...How about when they had Russ healthy, Harden, Ibaka, and KD....no supporting roster there?...GTFO!
 3 years ago '13        #979
Impeccable 198 heat pts198
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Duncan>Kobe
 01-28-2014, 01:58 AM         #980
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LeBron is overrated
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