Kobe vs Jordan vs LeBron vs Durant - discussion thread (will be merged here)

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 4 years ago '09        #961
The Bully 349 heat pts349
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 stogz said:
You hate on Lebron now, because he has teammates and want to elevate Durant because he has none. However, when LBJ was in Cleveland, you hated on him there too. Seems to me that you people just want to hate on Lebron at all costs.
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 4 years ago '05        #962
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 stogz said:
Fact is, people don't judge Lebron based on him having a good month... or a couple scoring titles. When people judge Lebron, they go on his work over the past decade.

For morons that say LBJ's teammates make him better, it's a short sighted approach. LBJ's doesn't shoot 9-of-15 every night because other players put the ball in the hole for him. Yes, the end result is, he wins championships NOW. However, he scores less, shoots less, averages less boards and less rebounds... and for stat wh0ores like the people on this site, how does that help him be better in YOUR eyes? He also wins less games in the regular season now.

So answer me this...

You hate on Lebron now, because he has teammates and want to elevate Durant because he has none. However, when LBJ was in Cleveland, you hated on him there too. Seems to me that you people just want to hate on Lebron at all costs.
Nothing else need be said.
 01-27-2014, 11:31 PM         #963
The Dark Kn1ght  OP
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 The Bully said:
kobe losing a Finals with Shaq, karl malone, gary payton and phil jackson as his coach automatically disqualifies him from any top 10 ranking

replace kobe with bron on that 2004 team and the lakers sweep the pistons
and lebron losing to dallas with prime wade and bosh as the 3rd leading scorer means what again????
 4 years ago '11        #964
whothebestmc 98 heat pts98
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 Kingpin 313 said:
Russel and wilt not top 5 but that's my opnion I can't put people who played in a era with 10 teams and put up there numbers because they played against people who wasn't there size

Duncan is not better than Kobe that's why Kobe got best player of the decade over him and Kobe team beat Duncan team idk how many times in playoffs
I Don't think wilt is top 5 either, but russell is hard to argue against regardless of the circumstances.

Duncan is better than kobe imo, kobe had shaq to help dismantle the spurs and despite that the spurs stayed together and continue year after year to be in title contention. You can't downplay what duncan and the spurs have done, 1 less ring 1 more finals mvp 1 more mvp and he's still doing it at a high level. Duncan would be picked before kobe in a all time draft
 4 years ago '09        #965
The Bully 349 heat pts349
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 The Dark Kn1ght said:
and lebron losing to dallas with prime wade and bosh as the 3rd leading scorer means what again????
that his teams can't win championships when he plays like shyt

but kobe's teams can win championships when he averages 15 points on 40% shooting
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 4 years ago '07        #966
Cambury 39 heat pts39
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 stogz said:
Fact is, people don't judge Lebron based on him having a good month... or a couple scoring titles. When people judge Lebron, they go on his work over the past decade.

For morons that say LBJ's teammates make him better, it's a short sighted approach. LBJ's doesn't shoot 9-of-15 every night because other players put the ball in the hole for him. Yes, the end result is, he wins championships NOW. However, he scores less, shoots less, averages less boards and less rebounds... and for stat wh0ores like the people on this site, how does that help him be better in YOUR eyes? He also wins less games in the regular season now.
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So answer me this...

You hate on Lebron now, because he has teammates and want to elevate Durant because he has none. However, when LBJ was in Cleveland, you hated on him there too. Seems to me that you people just want to hate on Lebron at all costs.
they are separated by a single a.ssist...
 4 years ago '11        #967
whothebestmc 98 heat pts98
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 Prime Dilfer said:
You right I take my L and leave the thread. Still they both average 7 boards per game so its a wash imo. All that rebound percentage sh*t.. Miss me with that.
Yeah I understand, thats why I said slightly, I mean come on kd is 6'11-7' with a larger wingspan he should be a better rebounder. But lebron is still better.
 4 years ago '11        #968
The Rhyming Ape 57 heat pts57
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 stogz said:
Fact is, people don't judge Lebron based on him having a good month... or a couple scoring titles. When people judge Lebron, they go on his work over the past decade.

For morons that say LBJ's teammates make him better, it's a short sighted approach. LBJ's doesn't shoot 9-of-15 every night because other players put the ball in the hole for him. Yes, the end result is, he wins championships NOW. However, he scores less, shoots less, averages less boards and less rebounds... and for stat wh0ores like the people on this site, how does that help him be better in YOUR eyes? He also wins less games in the regular season now.

So answer me this...

You hate on Lebron now, because he has teammates and want to elevate Durant because he has none. However, when LBJ was in Cleveland, you hated on him there too. Seems to me that you people just want to hate on Lebron at all costs.
replace durant with lebron and lebron with kobe and we were having this same argument like 6 years ago

Im not mad at anybody who says bron is better. I think kds been better this year but he has some work to do if he wants to be in that convo. My problem is that yall acting like its not an argument at all. like bron is completely untouchable. that one f*g with the lil b avy keeps sayin kd will never be better than him and yall are repeating those sentiments. you really think lebrons gonna be better than kd in 3 years?? I dont.

People sayin russys out like wade aint missed a ton of games. people sayin he dont have rings like bron had some at that point in his career. eventually yall will see that brons reign is coming to an end.........this year. just like kobes did around 2011. hell still be a great player but hes gonna need to pass the key to the league to kd.
 4 years ago '13        #969
Impeccable 198 heat pts198
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 Kingpin 313 said:
You think lebron is top 5 all time?
I'm talking about in terms of skill
 4 years ago '05        #970
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 whothebestmc said:
Yeah I understand, thats why I said slightly, I mean come on kd is 6'11-7' with a larger wingspan he should be a better rebounder. But lebron is still better.
I see what your trying to say but what you mentioned literally has nothing to do with rebounding. I say that as someone whose been playing damn near all my life and as coach now.

Like i said earlier in the thread though, i say their even in this particular catagory.
 4 years ago '11        #971
Kingpin 313 104 heat pts104
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 Impeccable said:
I'm talking about in terms of skill
Lebron not even top 50 in skill lebron is all athleticism
 4 years ago '13        #972
Impeccable 198 heat pts198
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 Kingpin 313 said:
Lebron not even top 50 in skill lebron is all athleticism
The disrespect and hatred

Lebron as a player>Kobe and it isn't even close.
 4 years ago '11        #973
Kingpin 313 104 heat pts104
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 whothebestmc said:
I Don't think wilt is top 5 either, but russell is hard to argue against regardless of the circumstances.

Duncan is better than kobe imo, kobe had shaq to help dismantle the spurs and despite that the spurs stayed together and continue year after year to be in title contention. You can't downplay what duncan and the spurs have done, 1 less ring 1 more finals mvp 1 more mvp and he's still doing it at a high level. Duncan would be picked before kobe in a all time draft

The spurs been Parker team for like the past 5 years since he won finals MVP Kobe got more all NBA first team offense and defense and higher on most of the all time list and there's no way Duncan getting picked over kobe be serious the only thing Duncan does better than Kobe is rebound which is expected with his size
 4 years ago '04        #974
Franchise08 69 heat pts69
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 The Bully said:
0 rings

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damn it feels good to use the ring argument


Never laughed so hard from reading a 1st page comment like this....such a fact. Only argument LBJ haters used (and I am unbiased, I'm a Kings fan for crying out loud)....Now that he has rings they try to make up some other stuff...

Simple discussion here:

Accalades/Talent/Athleticism = LBJ>

KD is close, but he's not LBJ and doubt he ever will be. Dude's a beast no doubt but LBJ is just a tad better overall and has the accoldaes to prove it.....KD = 0 of anything that matters..

No all-star team?...How about when they had Russ healthy, Harden, Ibaka, and KD....no supporting roster there?...GTFO!
 4 years ago '13        #975
Impeccable 198 heat pts198
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Duncan>Kobe
 01-28-2014, 12:58 AM         #976
Slimbutta23  OP
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LeBron is overrated
 4 years ago '10        #977
ThRoWeD MaN LaN 1 heat pts
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And wtf was Lebron doing before he went to Miami? Oh, the same? Cool


Oh, you also say that Durant has: Westbrook, two considerable big men, and a good supporting cast - but Miami is the team that's stacked? Cool
 4 years ago '07        #978
stogz 17 heat pts17
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 Cambury said:
they are separated by a single a.ssist...
Wipe the fat from your eyes and look at the sh*t clearly.


Durant is maxing out because Russy went down. For the past 3 season all I been hearing from BX is how Russy is more important, russy is the alpha male, KD being propped up by russy. Russy go down, and now KD goes off. What if KD went down and all them extra shots went to Russy... what then? You know god damn well that Russ ain't gonna have a problem shooting the ball... then what? You conclusion jumping clowns gonna say he the best in the league.

However, is LBJ maxing out? LBJ averaging 26-7-6 on the season... and ESPN wrote an article saying that he's "coasting". COASTING!!!!! You don't think Lebron couldn't find it in himself to take more than 16 shots a game? Lebron is keeping himself in a cage, by design. KD has full permission to do whatever he wants. There is a huge difference and to ignore that difference is to be irrational and blatantly stupid.


.... and that's not me going one way or another in the debate. That's me be rational, something y'all lack on here.
 4 years ago '05        #979
StateProperty88 33 heat pts33
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Your "he plays with all stars" argument goes out the window once its brought up that bron made it to the finals with the Cavs
 4 years ago '04        #980
Franchise08 69 heat pts69
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 Franchise08 said:


Never laughed so hard from reading a 1st page comment like this....such a fact. Only argument LBJ haters used (and I am unbiased, I'm a Kings fan for crying out loud)....Now that he has rings they try to make up some other stuff...

Simple discussion here:

Accalades/Talent/Athleticism = LBJ>

KD is close, but he's not LBJ and doubt he ever will be. Dude's a beast no doubt but LBJ is just a tad better overall and has the accoldaes to prove it.....KD = 0 of anything that matters..

No all-star team?...How about when they had Russ healthy, Harden, Ibaka, and KD....no supporting roster there?...GTFO!

Lemme quote myself real quick to add another aspect...like the dude just said LBJ in Cleveland going that far with literally 0 support also adds to my 'swtich LBJ with KD when KD had Russ/Harden/Ibaka and LBJ wins rings' argument. However, I will agree that KD is getting very close and his game logs/performances in the last 15ish games have been AMAZING. He is def getting closer to LBJ, but LBJ still the best in the league. KD is too much of a graceful finesse player to be able to do what LBJ does. LBJ is still the most unselfish SUPER-STAR in NBA history (ala Magic)...dude rather make the correct basketball play (getting triple-team'd and kicking it out to a great shooting teammate with the game on the line) rather than force up a shot with 3 people on you with teammates open ala KD, Melo, Kobe...etc...

Yet that is what LBJ gets the most flack for always, "chocking" and "passing" in clutch situations when he's triple teamed and always makes the right play. Not his fault the player he depends on to make a WIDE OPEN shot like Mike Miller, Chalmers, Battier, whoever. No props when he wins, and ALL HATE when he losses. Funny how it works, yet KD is worshipped no matter what...
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