Kobe vs Jordan vs LeBron vs Durant - discussion thread (will be merged here)

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 4 years ago '13        #901
Impeccable 219 heat pts219
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 Kingpin 313 said:
Durant always been better than lebron to people who understand and play basketball
I'm screamin


That's basically calling Durant a top 5 player of all time without accomplishments

Durant has never been better than Bron. He's a better shooter and rebounder. That's all.


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 4 years ago '11        #902
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 VictoryThagr8 said:
and ibaka just won defensive player of the year.




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 4 years ago '13        #903
P24B 4 heat pts
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All lebron does better is defend (which he does very well) and playmake (however, KD has significantly improved his playmaking).

It's glaringly obvious Durant is better...
 4 years ago '05        #904
WestbankThugBoy 23 heat pts23
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the only separation I put between the two which ultimately keeps LeBron aheadof KD is defensive presence.

LeBron can literally guard all 5 positions and be effective in that.
 4 years ago '07        #905
Cambury 39 heat pts39
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 Prime Dilfer said:
How is Durant not a better rebounder?
this is one I dont get...he has more rebounds but he isnt a better rebounded. They won't address anything specific because they cant. Forget about points.

Someone explain to me why a dude that rebounds, steals and blocks more is a worse defender.

Lebron is the most overrated defender of all time, I just want someone to post footage of him applying pressure to someone. If you not a lockdown type defender then it has to be about stats.



And no matter what if you cant stop me how are you better if anything its equal. Lebron cannot stop Durant and Durant makes more defensive plays.
 4 years ago '07        #906
Cambury 39 heat pts39
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 WestbankThugBoy said:
the only separation I put between the two which ultimately keeps LeBron aheadof KD is defensive presence.

LeBron can literally guard all 5 positions and be effective in that.
stop with what someone "can" do. Show me who he has stopped.
 4 years ago '13        #907
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 Prime Dilfer said:
How is Durant not a better rebounder?


If numbers cant prove that, i would love to hear the argument. These delusional fans. Numbers dont lie.
 4 years ago '12        #908
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 P24B said:
Umm yes Durant is a better ball handler, he's 6'10 and can go coast to coast with ease, split doubles and pull up, cross up players, when was the last time you saw lebron actually pull off a nice set of ball handling moves one on one with a defender?

Ball handling doesn't equate to put ur head down and bullying your way through defenders, ball handling is your ability to get anywhere you want on the court with ur dribble (not size and shoulder) to get ur shot off. Durant actually crosses n*ggas up.


Once again, lebron Stan's can't even fathom the idea of KD being better. It physically hurts their souls.
foh with that bullsh*t, lebron been playing point guard since high school, there was a time when durant couldnt even dribble up the court without getting ripped (mainly the finals against miami), ball handling is more than just fancy crossovers, durant has a better crossover while lebron has the better ball security
 4 years ago '05        #909
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The correct answer to this would be because the average "fan" can only concentrate on one player at a time. Its inconceivable for them to appreciate two outlets of greatness at one time.

I think the better question is why cant people accept that their two entirely different players with different approaches to the game. They've achieved relatively the same regular season success team wise, stat totals are similar (KD heavy on the pts side, Bron heavy on the a.ssts side) only thing that validates Lebron's approach is the championships.

Would be interesting to see what perception wouldve been had Russy not went down and OKC made it to the finals and beat the Heat (making it Lebron 1 and KD 1)

Id say Lebron is still the better all around player but the gap gets closer and closer as the years pass.
 4 years ago '11        #910
clydes suit 18 heat pts18
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how many times kd gotta dribble the ball off his foot for n*ggas to stop hyping up them sloppy a.ss handles
 4 years ago '07        #911
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 OC123 said:
foh with that bullsh*t, lebron been playing point guard since high school, there was a time when durant couldnt even dribble up the court without getting ripped (mainly the finals against miami), ball handling is more than just fancy crossovers, durant has a better crossover while lebron has the better ball security
Lebron used to pick up his dribble whenever a big man hedged so stop it.
 4 years ago '09        #912
The Bully 383 heat pts383
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kobe stans in here saying stats like steals and blocks matter

but wade averaged more steals and blocks than kobe for years and never got first team defense over him and they had no problem with that

the hypocrisy continues
 4 years ago '07        #913
joshdogg26 194 heat pts194
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lebron's rebound % is and has historically been better than stickman's. there, numbers. boom.
 4 years ago '05        #914
WestbankThugBoy 23 heat pts23
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 Cambury said:
stop with what someone "can" do. Show me who he has stopped.
I didn't say "stopped", I said "guard".

He can defend against all positions, whether he "stops" them or not is depending on what you consider that to be.
 4 years ago '11        #915
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 Impeccable said:
I'm screamin


That's basically calling Durant a top 5 player of all time without accomplishments

Durant has never been better than Bron. He's a better shooter and rebounder. That's all.


You think lebron is top 5 all time?
 4 years ago '11        #916
whothebestmc 99 heat pts99
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 Cambury said:
this is one I dont get...he has more rebounds but he isnt a better rebounded. They won't address anything specific because they cant. Forget about points.

Someone explain to me why a dude that rebounds, steals and blocks more is a worse defender.

Lebron is the most overrated defender of all time, I just want someone to post footage of him applying pressure to someone. If you not a lockdown type defender then it has to be about stats.



And no matter what if you cant stop me how are you better if anything its equal. Lebron cannot stop Durant and Durant makes more defensive plays.
he's averaging .2 more steals per game... calm your fat a.ss down.

Lebrons a better rebounder, not by much because kd has like 4 inches on him. Let me explain why, lebron and kd play two different ways when it comes to grabbing rebounds and leaking out on fast breaks, allowing kd to get more since lebron leaks out more.

But that's not enough so let me get to the good stuff:

The miami heat are last in the nba in field goal attempts per game with 76.8, while the thunder are in the middle of the pack with 82.8. They play at a faster pace and take 6 more shots per game. The miami heat are also 3rd in the nba in least fga for their opponents with 79 a game while okc gives up 84.4. So shots alone there is 11.4 more shots being taken in thunder games than miami games.

So to bring it all together: in total rebound percentage(percentage of available rebounds the player grabbed while on the floor) lebron is at 11.7% while kd is at 11.4%.

Oh and lebron is a far better defender stfu.

 Kingpin 313 said:
You think lebron is top 5 all time?
You think kobe is top 5 all time?

Lebron's already top 10.


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 4 years ago '04        #917
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 Cambury said:
but he did prove it on the bigger stage he outplayed lebron in the finals, heat were a better team. C'mon man yall gotta get better arguments
so now people wanna poo-poo the 2011-2012 OKC Thunder?


That OKC team that Miami dismantled 4-1 in the Finals sported the following:
  • the 3-time Scoring Champion who made the All-NBA 1st Team (Kevin Durant)
  • an All-Star PG who was 5th in the NBA in scoring & made the All-NBA 2nd Team for the 2nd year in a row (Russell Westbrook)
  • the 6th Man of the Year (James Harden)
  • the overall leader in Blocks who made the All Defensive First Team (Serge Ibaka)

they also had a better record than Miami and they had homecourt advantage in the Finals

oh, and the Thunder were favored by Vegas to beat Miami that year

the Heat spotted them a 1-0 series lead only to come back and rip off 4 in a row which caused them to turn around and trade James Harden 4 months later


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 4 years ago '05        #918
micseles 3 heat pts
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 joshdogg26 said:
lebron's rebound % is and has historically been better than stickman's. there, numbers. boom.
Theyre actually pretty much identical the last 3-4 years if I remember correctly.
 4 years ago '12        #919
OC123 181 heat pts181
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 Cambury said:
this is one I dont get...he has more rebounds but he isnt a better rebounded. They won't address anything specific because they cant. Forget about points.

Someone explain to me why a dude that rebounds, steals and blocks more is a worse defender.

Lebron is the most overrated defender of all time, I just want someone to post footage of him applying pressure to someone. If you not a lockdown type defender then it has to be about stats.



And no matter what if you cant stop me how are you better if anything its equal. Lebron cannot stop Durant and Durant makes more defensive plays.
so defense is only blocks, steals, and rebounds? i know you're smarter than that, what about ball denial? what about how he defended tony parker in the finals last year? n*ggas got selective memory nowadays

 4 years ago '11        #920
bobby doobie 1 heat pts
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Kd is more entertaining to me, with lebron while he is on his way to being one of the best ever, is just not fun to watch outside of his a.ssists.
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