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 07-13-2012, 11:19 AM         #801
3rdcoasta  OP
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People love to compare Kobe Bryant to Michael Jordan. Others will say Kobe Bryant is nowhere near Michael Jordan's statistics. MJ's career field-goal percentage is an astounding 49.7 percent while Kobe's is 45.4 percent. So before we start, let's address certain issues:



1. Kobe played his first three years on the bench, whereas Jordan started his first season hoisting up 19.8 shots a game.

2. Kobe played alongside Shaquille O'Neal (at the time, the face of the franchise), meaning Shaq was the primary scorer, and also the preliminary post-scorer, which brings me to my third point.

3. Kobe shot a hell of a lot more threes than Jordan ever did. And hitting threes has an obviously lower efficiency than playing a mid-range game or a post game.



So as similar as Kobe is to Jordan, already there are red flags that should be going up in your head. The argument doesn't stand on same grounds.

So in order to compare them on a more level playing field, let's take away Kobe's 3 years of coming off the bench, and take away Jordan's Wizards campaign, because we all know he never should have played for the Wizards.

Also, let's take away the three-point shooting from both players (since they can't be compared) and let's focus on the post/mid-range where both players excelled.




Reference:



Jordan's career statistics:

Kobe's career statistics:



Jordan's career stats (averages added for '85-'98):

FGM (field goals made): 148.9

FGA (field goals attempted): 299.8

3P (3-pointers made): 7.7

3PA (3-pointers attempted): 22.7



Now subtract the 3P from FGM, and 3PA from FGA and you get: 141.2 FGM / 277.1 FGA =50.9%

A career 50.9% FG from the mid-range.




Kobe's career stats (averages added for '99-'11 to match Jordan's 12 years):



FGM: 116.2

FGA: 254.8

3P: 16.7

3PA: 49.3



Now subtract Kobe's 3's from his overall field goal and you get: 99.5 FGM / 205.5 FGA = 48.4%



Between Kobe and Jordan, there is a 2.5% difference in efficiency.



Now let's take a look at their total attempts:




Jordan's career totals from '85-'98:

FGM: 10962 shots



FGA: 21686 shots

3P: 555 shots

3PA: 1670 shots



Same mathematics. Eliminate the three-pointer from the overall shots and you get: 10407 (shots made) / 20016 (shots attempted)



And now Kobe:

FGM: 8783 shots

FGA: 19256 shots

3P: 1265 shots

3PA: 3728 shots




Same math: 7518 (shots made) / 15528 (shots attempted)





So let's compare their post/mid-range game:

Jordan's field goal: 50.9%

Kobe's field goal: 48.4%



Jordan's total shots made and attempted: 10407 / 20016

Kobe's total shots made and attempted: 7518 / 15528



Already you can tell how different their games are. Kobe played a lot as a wing shooter and Jordan played closer to the rim than Kobe did. Jordan took 4500 more shots in the mid-range than Kobe.



If using the statistics, Kobe emulated Jordan's mid-range game throughout his career, it would look like this:


Kobe's FG (48.4%) x Jordan's total shot attempts (20016) = 9687



Jordan's total made (10407) - Kobe's total made (9687) = 720 shots made

Jordan would have made 720 more shots in the post and mid-range than Kobe would have, over the 12-year course.

That would amount to: 720 shots / 12 years = 60 more shots made by Jordan per year

Which would translate to: 60 shots / 82 games a year = 0.73 shots per game. Basically Kobe would have missed less than 1 shot a game than Jordan would have.



Numbers don't tell the whole story, but "numbers don't lie" is a misleading statement. The difference in efficiency is heavily influenced by Bryant's perimeter game, as well as Jordan's lack-of. Of course, this is not an article to argue who the G.O.A.T. is. Jordan was a player that can't be matched in history, but there is a huge double standard when it comes to comparing the two.


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old article but interesting perspective and all i get out of this is...
Jordan was a player that can't be matched in history


remember it could've easily been 8 rings...
 6 years ago '04        #802
Budala 418 heat pts418
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 07-13-2012, 11:25 AM         #803
SeaJaiye  OP
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just cuz he went bald and stole jordan's game and got phil jackson to give him a couple rings doesn't mean he's near jordan. i cant even see the comparison. 30, 6, 5 career average. kobe needs 4 more finals mvp's and 4 more reg season mvp's.............................

jordan dominated regular and advanced stats too and bron is the only one close to him. and he's the only one that can get close in all the awards.

this f*ggit didnt even make first team all ROOKIE, how can u respect that??
 07-13-2012, 11:28 AM         #804
AmerigoCorleone  OP
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Niga the sky is blue.
 6 years ago '11        #805
X_WunderKind_X 909 heat pts909
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not coming at you, but I think we have reached our Kobe/Jordan thread quota for the day.
 6 years ago '09        #806
ii_show_off 57 heat pts57
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 NineFour said:
LeBron vs Kobe statistically through their first 9 seasons

Kobe

22.3 ppg
5.1 rpg
4.4 apg
1.4 spg
0.6 bpg

LeBron

27.6 ppg
7.2 rpg
6.9 apg
1.7 spg
0.8 bpg



Kobe my n*gga, I hate it had to be him



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SOOOO YOU BASICALLY SAYING YOU'D RATHER HAVE LEBRON STATS W/ 1RING OVER KOBE STATS W/ 5RINGS?? (LEBRON IS 6'9 BARELY AVERAGING TWO MORE REBOUNDS THAN KOBE [I BELIEVE KOBE IS A BETTER REBOUNDER ANYWAY, IN HIS LAST FINALS APPEARANCE HE STATED HOW IMPORTANT IT WAS TO CONTROL THE BOARDS AND WENT OUT AND GRABBED 15 REBOUNDS IN A SERIES ENDING GAME 6], AND KOBE IS A SHOOTING GUARD AVERAGING THREE LESS a.ssIST, AND THOSE PPG STATS ARE MISLEADING WE ALL KNOW KOBE IS A WAAAAAYYYYY BETTER SCORER)
 07-13-2012, 11:36 AM         #807
SeaJaiye  OP
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 ii_show_off said:
SOOOO YOU BASICALLY SAYING YOU'D RATHER HAVE LEBRON STATS W/ 1RING OVER KOBE STATS W/ 5RINGS?? (LEBRON IS 6'9 BARELY AVERAGING TWO MORE REBOUNDS THAN KOBE [I BELIEVE KOBE IS A BETTER REBOUNDER ANYWAY, IN HIS LAST FINALS APPEARANCE HE STATED HOW IMPORTANT IT WAS TO CONTROL THE BOARDS AND WENT OUT AND GRABBED 15 REBOUNDS IN A SERIES ENDING GAME 6], AND KOBE IS A SHOOTING GUARD AVERAGING THREE LESS a.ssIST, AND THOSE PPG STATS ARE MISLEADING WE ALL KNOW KOBE IS A WAAAAAYYYYY BETTER SCORER)
so the thread is bout individual stats but u bring up team accomplishments (rings). that's all kobe stans have. they dont realize phil jackson and shaq got him his rings. its all they can fall back on
 07-13-2012, 11:37 AM         #808
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 Lex Lossis said:
stats from the 2000s as of May 2012

Kobe: 28.2 PPG 5.9 RPG 5.2 APG 1.7 SPG
LeBron: 27.5 PPG 7 RPG 6.7 APG 1.8 SPG 0.9 BPG



6'9 270lb Bron averaged ONE more rebound and ONE more a.ssist than the n*gga who doesn't even go for rebounds and supposedly ball hogs, sucks so bad, worst player ever, yadda yadda yadda. pretty embarrassing huh?

Kobe outscorin a team through three qtrs via jumpshots and crazy plays
Kobe scorin 81 via jumpshots and crazy plays then leadin his team to a victory(LAL down 14 at half as well, six after three)
all the crazy clutch jumpshots
5 rings

Bron fullbacking to the paint to lead his team to victory
occasional jumpshot
worst Finals performance for a #1 option in NBA history (2007, dont make me bring out the stats and facts)
even tho his squad won 66 games by scoring 70+ points a game to Bron's 27, he still fails(stans blamed the team) and decides to join a top 3 player and top 3 PF and finally won a chip via nothing but drives to the hoop on some NBA 2K cheese bs, showing no scoring versatility other than the occasional jumpshot
Bron not hitting a game winning jumpshot in 38 months(3+ yrs)


"b-b-b-b-b-b-b-ut LeBron fills up the stat sheet "

"b-b-b-b-b-b-b-ut LeBron is so well rounded "

"b-b-b-b-b-b-b-ut Kobe's a ballhog "

Ayo SeaGaye: THEY'RE NOT CLOSE.
 07-13-2012, 11:37 AM         #809
SeaJaiye  OP
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how u gonna call me out but u got me on ignore anyway??

first of all, u comparing lebron's entire career and leaving out kobe's first few years where he couldn't even make first team all ROOKIE, couldnt win rookie of the year, couldnt start a game, couldnt shoot 50% as a rookie even when he was taking 6 shots a game

second, bron's stats are still better and kobe got about 5 more seasons played from ur criteria

third, let's compare the playoff stats in the 2000s since regular season dont matter right??

kobe: 27.6, 5.5, 5.2 on 45% shootin

king: 29.4, 8.3, 7.3 on 45.2%

bron's a better regular season performer, playoff performer, etc. accept it

sad that u gotta remove years to compare them. thats why bron doesnt deserve to get disrespected like this. he's the only player in nba history with a 27, 7, 7 average. kobe holds the record for most shots taken without an a.ssist
 6 years ago '07        #810
wtr1906 45 heat pts45
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Who are you trying convince.....
 6 years ago '08        #811
Arson 84 heat pts84
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this n*gga can't count
 6 years ago '06        #812
omniscience 3 heat pts
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 6 years ago '05        #813
fabolous_iam 4 heat pts
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 07-13-2012, 12:20 PM         #814
Ca$h Out  OP
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Kobe never saved earth from an alien race of power surging munchkins...
 6 years ago '08        #815
slimdogg3325 1 heat pts
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only one who deserves comparison
 6 years ago '11        #816
MakeItHappen456 41 heat pts41
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being compared to jordan is an honor , win or lose
 6 years ago '09        #817
ii_show_off 57 heat pts57
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 SeaJaiye said:
how u gonna call me out but u got me on ignore anyway??

first of all, u comparing lebron's entire career and leaving out kobe's first few years where he couldn't even make first team all ROOKIE, couldnt win rookie of the year, couldnt start a game, couldnt shoot 50% as a rookie even when he was taking 6 shots a game

second, bron's stats are still better and kobe got about 5 more seasons played from ur criteria

third, let's compare the playoff stats in the 2000s since regular season dont matter right??

kobe: 27.6, 5.5, 5.2 on 45% shootin

king: 29.4, 8.3, 7.3 on 45.2%

bron's a better regular season performer, playoff performer, etc. accept it

sad that u gotta remove years to compare them. thats why bron doesnt deserve to get disrespected like this. he's the only player in nba history with a 27, 7, 7 average. kobe holds the record for most shots taken without an a.ssist
but he's not a winner tho... if you take his stats away he's got nothing... you get mad when ppl bring up he rings and act like this aint a team sport... how does lebron get so many a.ssist?? Teammates hitting shots dip sh*t... how did kobe get 5 rings?? by sh*tting on every defender to ever step in front of him and help from his teammate...
 6 years ago '05        #818
Clutch City Kid 139 heat pts139
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the rings are all that truly matter.... u do WHATEVER u can to get them so stats truly shouldnt even matter... Kobe clowns LeBrenda in every way.... if u think different your a fu*kin tool
 07-13-2012, 01:30 PM         #819
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 ii_show_off said:
but he's not a winner tho... if you take his stats away he's got nothing... you get mad when ppl bring up he rings and act like this aint a team sport... how does lebron get so many a.ssist?? Teammates hitting shots dip sh*t... how did kobe get 5 rings?? by sh*tting on every defender to ever step in front of him and help from his teammate...
didn't Lebron just win a ring while averaging 30 10 and 6? some sh*t that Kobe could never do in his wildest dreams
 07-13-2012, 01:33 PM         #820
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 Clutch City Kid said:
the rings are all that truly matter.... u do WHATEVER u can to get them so stats truly shouldnt even matter... Kobe clowns LeBrenda in every way.... if u think different your a fu*kin tool
this n*gga said LeBrenda SeaGay has no other argument besides a FG% and finals MVP's, i come here every other day and he still using the same tired arugment just reworded every time
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