Kobe vs Jordan vs LeBron vs Durant - discussion thread (will be merged here)

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 07-13-2012, 05:33 AM         #781
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 Armen87 said:
both are amazing players. i don't care anymore

1st page tho
I'm turning into an era vs era kinda guy. I'm sick off old heads in every sport, sh*t even the rappers, act like because they are old and done the younger guys should bow down and shine their shoes. I want as many players from this time to become top 5 or 10 all time. fu*k them old heads.
 5 years ago '12        #782
Fearless Genius 71 heat pts71
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 Galactus said:
ok lets say ur right on the timeline the figures im reading says 4 but whatever....

your really going to sit here and say 8 months, despite playing the same amount of time in hs/jr high makes a 13 ppg difference.

fu*k lbjs first year is better than kobes second.
you are way too eager to respond without reading what i said. i didn't say anything to that degree. in my first post in this thread, i said lbj was still better statistically but the comparison would be more respectable. almost a year difference matters at that age. i mean kobe had a 7 point increase from his first year to his second year. i think it matters.




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 5 years ago '10        #783
smokinthe420 4 heat pts
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 NineFour said:
LeBron vs Kobe statistically through their first 9 seasons

Kobe

22.3 ppg
5.1 rpg
4.4 apg
1.4 spg
0.6 bpg

LeBron

27.6 ppg
7.2 rpg
6.9 apg
1.7 spg
0.8 bpg



Kobe my n*gga, I hate it had to be him



First page


watch he won't even come back in the thread
 07-13-2012, 05:46 AM         #784
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Did this guy REALLY take Kobe's best years, where the stats are obviously at their highest, and compare them to LeBron's whole career (career lows and all)?
 5 years ago '04        #785
Dash420 21 heat pts21
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Kobe had a far more talented team than Lebron his first two years .....so let's check shot attempts the first two season of both of their careers.....I'm sure Lebron had more opportunities to shoot.

vs.

We shouldn't even compare until the end of both careers or until Lebron has three rings...


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 5 years ago '12        #786
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 Galactus said:
The thing is you re too stupid to realize basketball experience /= age.
i think you're too stupid to realize what you said was exactly my argument. i agree that basketball experience does not equal age. i think age is more important when you're that young. and it's not as if kobe was playing heavy minutes in his rookie season (15 mpg) anyway. i do the same for all players. i don't compare lebron vs jordan through their first 9 seasons. i think it's more fair to compare lebron and jordan at the same age. it's not like you reach your physical peak any earlier just because you entered the league at a younger age.




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 5 years ago '12        #787
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They're both fantastic players. Kobe is my favorite player in the NBA, but LeBron is up there.
 5 years ago '04        #788
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 Galactus said:
and when their shot attempts are even lbj wins.

heck even when kobe has more lbj wins
You want to check the mpg

There were plenty of talent on the Lakers 1996 roster ...




No. Player Pos Ht Wt Birth Date Exp College
43 Corie Blount F 6-9 240 January 4, 1969 3 University of Cincinnati
8 Kobe Bryant G 6-6 200 August 23, 1978 R
41 Elden Campbell C 6-11 215 July 23, 1968 6 Clemson University
23 Cedric Ceballos F 6-6 190 August 2, 1969 6 California State University, Fullerton
2 Derek Fisher G 6-1 200 August 9, 1974 R University of Arkansas at Little Rock
5 Robert Horry F 6-9 220 August 25, 1970 4 University of Alabama
6 Eddie Jones G-F 6-6 190 October 20, 1971 2 Temple University
12 Jerome Kersey F 6-7 215 June 26, 1962 12 Longwood University
35 Joe Kleine C 6-11 255 January 4, 1962 11 University of Arkansas
40 Travis Knight C 7-0 235 September 13, 1974 R University of Connecticut
Larry Krystkowiak F-C 6-9 220 September 23, 1964 8 University of Montana
24 George McCloud G-F 6-6 205 May 27, 1967 6 Florida State University
34 Shaquille O'Neal C 7-1 325 March 6, 1972 4 Louisiana State University
20 Rumeal Robinson G 6-2 195 November 13, 1966 5 University of Michigan
45 Sean Rooks C 6-10 250 September 9, 1969 4 University of Arizona
4 Byron Scott G 6-3 195 March 28, 1961 13 Arizona State University
9 Nick Van Exel G 6-1 170 November 27, 1971 3 University of Cincinnati



Way more talent than the Cavs of 2003


No. Player Pos Ht Wt Birth Date Exp College
4 Tony Battie C-F 6-11 230 February 11, 1976 6 Texas Tech University
1 Carlos Boozer F-C 6-9 258 November 20, 1981 1 Duke University
3 J.R. Bremer G 6-2 185 September 19, 1980 1 St. Bonaventure University
5 Kedrick Brown G 6-7 222 March 18, 1981 2 Okaloosa-Walton Community College
8 Mateen Cleaves G 6-2 205 September 7, 1977 3 Michigan State University
31 Ricky Davis G 6-6 195 September 23, 1979 5 University of Iowa
52 DeSagana Diop C 7-0 300 January 30, 1982 2
11 Zydrunas Ilgauskas C 7-3 238 June 5, 1975 5
23 LeBron James F-G 6-8 240 December 30, 1984 R
24 Jason Kapono F 6-8 213 February 4, 1981 R University of California, Los Angeles
32 Jelani McCoy C 6-10 245 December 6, 1977 5 University of California, Los Angeles
0 Jeff McInnis G 6-4 190 October 22, 1974 6 University of North Carolina
4 Chris Mihm C 7-0 265 July 16, 1979 3 University of Texas at Austin
21 Darius Miles F 6-9 210 October 9, 1981 3
54 Lee Nailon F 6-9 238 February 22, 1975 3 Texas Christian University
14 Ira Newble F 6-7 220 January 20, 1975 3 Miami University
12 Kevin Ollie G 6-4 195 December 27, 1972 6 University of Connecticut
13 Michael Stewart C 6-10 230 April 25, 1975 6 University of California
41 Bruno Sundov C 7-2 220 February 10, 1980 5
2 Dajuan Wagner G 6-2 200 February 4, 1983 1 University of Memphis
55 Eric Williams F 6-8 220 July 17, 1972 8 Providence College

Prince James And the bums .....play 38mpg and make it happen.....Kobe wasn't starting until the 3rd month into the season
 5 years ago '12        #789
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 Galactus said:
so age trumps basketball experience in your feeble mind.

kid youre retarded go away.
you don't understand. i'm not arguing whether age is more important than experience. i'm saying comparing players at the same age is a more fair comparison. it's not fair to compare a rookie jordan to a rookie lebron when there is nearly a 3 year age difference. we shouldn't penalize lebron when comparing him to jordan for being good enough to skip college while jordan wasn't good enough to do the same. in the same way you shouldn't penalize kobe. age comparisons make more sense than experience comparisons.




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 07-13-2012, 06:31 AM         #790
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 EnlightenMe said:
you are way too eager to respond without reading what i said. i didn't say anything to that degree. in my first post in this thread, i said lbj was still better statistically but the comparison would be more respectable. almost a year difference matters at that age. i mean kobe had a 7 point increase from his first year to his second year. i think it matters.
Hold up, Kobe was born in August in 1978 and came in the league in 1996...season starts in October...he was 18


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 5 years ago '11        #791
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30M/YR, Five Rings !
 5 years ago '12        #792
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 Youngin19 said:
Hold up, Kobe was born in August in 1978 and came in the league in 1996...season starts in October...he was 18
yea and lebron turned 19 early in his rookie season. again, i want to emphasize to everybody, i am not saying kobe was better or even equal to lebron in the very early parts in their respective careers. i'm just saying it's more fair to compare them at the same age.




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 5 years ago '11        #793
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 Rico23 said:
stans tring to out-stan each other...


[pic - click to view]

this debate will never end...

just sit back and laugh like I do most of the time
 07-13-2012, 07:17 AM         #794
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 EnlightenMe said:
yea and lebron turned 19 early in his rookie season. again, i want to emphasize to everybody, i am not saying kobe was better or even equal to lebron in the very early parts in their respective careers. i'm just saying it's more fair to compare them at the same age.
I disagree...both of em came straight out of high school. Neither one was more experienced than the other
 5 years ago '12        #795
Fearless Genius 71 heat pts71
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 Youngin19 said:
I disagree...both of em came straight out of high school. Neither one was more experienced than the other
so the fact that lebron had an extra year to mature and work on his game before he came to the league shouldn't mean anything? you're basically penalizing kobe for being younger when he entered the league.




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 07-13-2012, 07:36 AM         #796
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 EnlightenMe said:
so the fact that lebron had an extra year to mature and work on his game before he came to the league shouldn't mean anything? you're basically penalizing kobe for being younger when he entered the league.
nah, Bron just has a late birthday so they force you to start school a year later...when it comes down to it, it's irrelevant. Bron played the same number of years in high school as Kobe. Neither one was more experienced than the other.
 5 years ago '11        #797
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When its all said and done they both gon be top 5 alltime
 5 years ago '12        #798
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 Youngin19 said:
nah, Bron just has a late birthday so they force you to start school a year later...when it comes down to it, it's irrelevant. Bron played the same number of years in high school as Kobe. Neither one was more experienced than the other.
we'll just have to agree to disagree




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 5 years ago '04        #799
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 305Lars said:
When its all said and done they both gon be top 5 alltime

Kobe top 5? Are you kidding me?

MJ
Magic
Bird
Shaq
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Duncan

Add Lebron to that list when he is done....

Kobe maybe making it to top 15
 5 years ago '05        #800
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 Budala said:

Kobe top 5? Are you kidding me?

MJ
Magic
Bird
Shaq
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Duncan

Add Lebron to that list when he is done....

Kobe maybe making it to top 15
Add Lebron but no Kobe?

No Hakeem? List is sh*t.
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