Kobe vs Jordan vs LeBron vs Durant - discussion thread (will be merged here)

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 5 years ago '04        #741
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 slimdogg3325 said:
"some people dont know sh*t about basketball"
That is a general statement, could you be more specific.
 5 years ago '04        #742
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To merge this thread would be a disgrace, I'm raising a new argument and topic and it deserves it's shine .... I welcome all challengers ....... so dont play me ... play me
 05-05-2012, 10:45 AM         #743
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Wade and Kobe are better than Jordan. Both got a chip in 3 years Jordan 7
 5 years ago '06        #744
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not trying to hate, but the fact that lebron held his team hostage and then went to join a top 5 and a top 20 player waters down anything he does after that point. the level of bi*ch-assed-ness needed to make that decision is epic, but lebron has that.

Jordan with pippen and kobe with shaq were completely different situations, so dont bring those up.
 5 years ago '04        #745
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 ballislife said:
Wade and Kobe are better than Jordan. Both got a chip in 3 years Jordan 7

Well me personally I dont consider it a coincidence they both had Shaq ...... I am not fooled by this in reference to them ..... thats why this is Lebron and Michael big dog vs big dog ............ I know what both of them would have done with Shaq ...... does Wade even have a MVP, I cant think of one year where he was considered the best player in the league ..... but both Wade and Kobe will go down as two of the greatest ever, but they will be outside of Jordan and Lebrons class.
 05-05-2012, 10:56 AM         #746
ballislife  OP
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 Gd_UP said:
not trying to hate, but the fact that lebron held his team hostage and then went to join a top 5 and a top 20 player waters down anything he does after that point. the level of bi*ch-assed-ness needed to make that decision is epic, but lebron has that.

Jordan with pippen and kobe with shaq were completely different situations, so dont bring those up.
Hostage? The Cavs was not his team any more after July 1st so he was free to do what he wanted. Plenty of teams in nba history had multiple hof and nobody was complaining about that. So lets just say he would have stayed in Cleveland and retire ringless are we going to applaud him because he's like reggie,stockton,and ewing? Lets not forget Chuck went to go create a super team in houston.
 05-05-2012, 10:57 AM         #747
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 M.C.daHUSTLA said:
Well me personally I dont consider it a coincidence they both had Shaq ...... I am not fooled by this in reference to them ..... thats why this is Lebron and Michael big dog vs big dog ............ I know what both of them would have done with Shaq ...... does Wade even have a MVP, I cant think of one year where he was considered the best player in the league ..... but both Wade and Kobe will go down as two of the greatest ever, but they will be outside of Jordan and Lebrons class.
Real sh*t bruh and n*ggas want to bring up the fact lebron had Shaq when he wasn't the shaq we all knew but it is what it is.
 5 years ago '04        #748
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 Gd_UP said:
not trying to hate, but the fact that lebron held his team hostage and then went to join a top 5 and a top 20 player waters down anything he does after that point. the level of bi*ch-assed-ness needed to make that decision is epic, but lebron has that.

Jordan with pippen and kobe with shaq were completely different situations, so dont bring those up.
When you are drafted to a historically trash franchise that does not have the ability to bring in another hall of famer, which is what every great player had that won a ring, you can either sit there and perform the best in the league every year and loose cause you have no help which has been proven by all other greats it is required, or you can take your life and legacy in your own hands and do it yourself ..... I am not ready to consider Wade better than Pippen, Worhty or McHale and I am not ready to consider Bosh better that Rodman or Kareem and Robert Parish and Bill Walton are both on the 50 greatest list, so obviously we all know what it takes to win rings in this league, but the greatest player Lebron ever played with is Mo Williams, I think Lebron figured this out from the same research I did and took his own career in his own hands and would not let it be ruined by a historically trash franchise that does not know how to put a team together, I respect and commend him for that, but this is what has to be said he has no more than what Michael, Larry, or Magic had he just had to do it himself, thats just the evolution of the black man and I know thats hurts the most.

Pippen is probably the most underrated player ever, but he is 50 greatest and the one year Michael was gone he was 3rd in MVP voting, and based on stats he is the greatest passing forward and also the greatest perimeter defensive forward, now go research that. Rodman is the greatest rebounder ever.


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 5 years ago '11        #749
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I mean u chaps can have Lebron but in my eyes Jordan was/is the greatest player to ever play this game. Jordan kept a whole generation of great players from obtaining rings. I mean statistics don't mean a whole lot in this comparison because the era that Bron is playing in is no where near as talented as the one Jordan DOMINATED in. Jordan WAS THE NBA when he played.

Jordan had that passion and will to win AT ALL COSTS.....some of us can relate to that more than someone who has excuses for EVERYTHING. If u didn't grow up watching Jordan then you'll never understand how great he was, the stats and rings don't do him justice. Dude was like a super hero
 5 years ago '09        #750
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 jlandryst said:

lol that's the dumbest thing ever by that logic Bill Russell is the best

11× NBA Champion (5 more than Jordan)
5× NBA Most Valuable Player(same amount as Jordan)
so if that's the only argument Bill>>>Jordan

and he played 2 less seasons then Jordan haha
 5 years ago '04        #751
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 SugaHillRomello said:



I mean u chaps can have Lebron but in my eyes Jordan was/is the greatest player to ever play this game. Jordan kept a whole generation of great players from obtaining rings. I mean statistics don't mean a whole lot in this comparison because the era that Bron is playing in is no where near as talented as the one Jordan DOMINATED in. Jordan WAS THE NBA when he played.

Jordan had that passion and will to win AT ALL COSTS.....some of us can relate to that more than someone who has excuses for EVERYTHING. If u didn't grow up watching Jordan then you'll never understand how great he was, the stats and rings don't do him justice. Dude was like a super hero

I like mines with the personal feelings on the side.
 5 years ago '08        #752
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you can state these "facts" all you want. you even used the word if in thread title. how is that a "fact". there is no arguing "ifs". then you dismissed the "fact" that jordan went to college first (which is a prretty important point to factor into this so-called argument) and even used that to boost lebron. so many contradictions in your so-called argument its hard not to laugh at this silly attempt at whatever the fu*k you're trying to do. then try to sh*t on another great in kobe sayin he played with shaq. let you tell it, kobe didnt even have to be on that team right? so i guess what im sayin is, you stating all these "facts" is proving what exactly? that he accomplished more? yea sure i can see lebron 20 yrs from now "i did more than mj from 18-27" lmao. you fake fans of individual players k!ll me. thats what i meant by "some people dont know sh*t about basketball" but you knew that. but i mean there has to be a point unless your just have nothing else to do, which is evident by you responding to damn near every post. no need to respond with anymore "facts" because in know the game well. good day sir


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 5 years ago '09        #753
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everybody knows the only reason Lebron is talked about so much is because we grew up in the social media era, where everything is talked about. Jordan didn't have it this hard because, any real sports fan knows that the first 3 years Jordan couldn't make it out the first round would have been on twitter and facebook. Everybody would have been on him ESPN, Skip, Stephen A, & Everybody. Everybody on this planet knows Lebron is great they just need something to talk about because it's been awhile since we've seen this much greatness Kobe is Kobe he's a scorer, that's my favorite player he'll give you 81 points , Lebron on the other hand will Give you 50 points 10 rebounds, and 10 a.ssist ima real fan and you and i know he's great it's just some of yall are afraid to admit that he's that good
 5 years ago '11        #754
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 M.C.daHUSTLA said:
I like mines with the personal feelings on the side.
true but can stats really measure EVERYTHING that makes a player great??

What about leadership?
What about heart?

Just some intangibles im throwing out there that most the players i consider great possess. Lebron will get his STATS but will he LEAD his team to a ring?

Just my thoughts, i like to leave the hypotheticals off the plate when discussing greatness
 5 years ago '10        #755
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 M.C.daHUSTLA said:
Well me personally I dont consider it a coincidence they both had Shaq ...... I am not fooled by this in reference to them ..... thats why this is Lebron and Michael big dog vs big dog ............ I know what both of them would have done with Shaq ...... does Wade even have a MVP, I cant think of one year where he was considered the best player in the league ..... but both Wade and Kobe will go down as two of the greatest ever, but they will be outside of Jordan and Lebrons class.
Most people thought Wade was the best player in the league in 08 but his team was a.ss tho..
 05-05-2012, 12:00 PM         #756
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lebron is gonna have 3 mvp's at 27. jordan only had 1. i dont think ppl realize how young lebron still is.........and his endurance/durability, he can keep playing until he's 35 in his prime just like jordan.

and jordan was a slave, but idk if we should get into all that...........white ppl will never let anyone be better than jordan. especially someone like lebron that chose his own path and went to south beach
 5 years ago '04        #757
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 slimdogg3325 said:
you can state these "facts" all you want. you even used the word if in thread title. how is that a "fact". there is no arguing "ifs". then you dismissed the "fact" that jordan went to college first (which is a prretty important point to factor into this so-called argument) and even used that to boost lebron. so many contradictions in your so-called argument its hard not to laugh at this silly attempt at whatever the fu*k you're trying to do. then try to sh*t on another great in kobe sayin he played with shaq. let you tell it, kobe didnt even have to be on that team right? so i guess what im sayin is, you stating all these "facts" is proving what exactly? that he accomplished more? yea sure i can see lebron 20 yrs from now "i did more than mj from 18-27" lmao. you fake fans of individual players k!ll me. thats what i meant by "some people dont know sh*t about basketball" but you knew that. but i mean there has to be a point unless your just have nothing else to do, which is evident by you responding to damn near every post. no need to respond with anymore "facts" because in know the game well. good day sir

Once again, its not that Kobe was not needed on that team but we wonder if he could have done it alone, well we all know cause we saw him alone go home in the first round, and the issue with him in reference to Michael and Lebron is they know what its like to be alone, and I think we all know what they would have done with that Shaq, Kobe had ....... And this is a "if" thread cause for all these things to take place Lebron has to win MVP and a ring this year, but what I am doing is preparing you for a reality check, and the reality check is no matter how you put it, Lebron has not been over 27 years old yet, so I think it is only fair to compare him and Jordan @ ages they both have been and age 18-27 if does what he expected to this year he will have accomplished more than Jordan in that age frame, and we will discuss 28-34 when we get there, once again live with it I know it hurts.
 5 years ago '11        #758
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 M.C.daHUSTLA said:
Once again, its not that Kobe was not needed on that team but we wonder if he could have done it alone, well we all know cause we saw him alone go home in the first round, and the issue with him in reference to Michael and Lebron is they know what its like to be alone, and I think we all know what they would have done with that Shaq, Kobe had ....... And this is a "if" thread cause for all these things to take place Lebron has to win MVP and a ring this year, but what I am doing is preparing you for a reality check, and the reality check is no matter how you put it, Lebron has not been over 27 years old yet, so I think it is only fair to compare him and Jordan @ ages they both have been and age 18-27 if does what he expected to this year he will have accomplished more than Jordan in that age frame, and we will discuss 28-34 when we get there, once again live with it I know it hurts.
Real talk let Lebron win a title first. We all know how great of a player he is(as evident by all the stats his fans memorize) but he has something to prove this year. We will continue to downplay his achievements until he gets that ring. I know u ready to celebrate but let it happen first.....
 5 years ago '04        #759
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 Matrix said:
Most people thought Wade was the best player in the league in 08 but his team was a.ss tho..
He had a great year that year but Lebron was MVP, and I agreed. Lebron lead his team to a 66-16 record, Wades team was 43-39, Lebron almost won 70 games with no one near on the level of a Pippen or Rodman.
 5 years ago '04        #760
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 SugaHillRomello said:
Real talk let Lebron win a title first. We all know how great of a player he is(as evident by all the stats his fans memorize) but he has something to prove this year. We will continue to downplay his achievements until he gets that ring. I know u ready to celebrate but let it happen first.....
I agree it has to happen first .... but I had to make this thread cause I trust my foresight.
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