Kobe vs Jordan vs LeBron vs Durant - discussion thread (will be merged here)

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 5 years ago '05        #581
DaDon23 58 heat pts58
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Why.....Why....... It was a peaceful day on BXSC without one of these threads and you just had to make one. fu*king k!ll yourself
 5 years ago '04        #582
abstractq 5 heat pts
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Depends on how you structure your argument. . .

If you make the russel argument based on rings, then yes to be consistent you must say Kobe>>>Lebron. Because Wilt statistically was much further ahead of russell than bron is ahead of kobe

If you use the russell mvp argument, then not really

Me personally, I think wilt>>>russell and Kobe is the GOAT sooooo, yeah
 5 years ago '11        #583
I KILL TREES 15 heat pts15
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 5 years ago '05        #584
MemphBleek05 46 heat pts46
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Why can't people just accept that there is no true answer to "Who is better" in many of these comparisons...............
 5 years ago '05        #585
MysticKJ 28 heat pts28
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 5 years ago '04        #586
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 5 years ago '08        #587
portis187 29 heat pts29
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how bout we wait till both careers are over. Whats the point of debating active players?
 5 years ago '07        #588
Cambury 39 heat pts39
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It all depends on what you are speaking about. The way I look at basketball from a technical standpoint of what someone can and cannot do I see that there is a winners game and there is the game of a great player and its not won in the same. A winner impacts the game even when they aren't great, players that are great just play great despite wins or losses. I respect winners more. The past week was the perfect example with Kobe Bryant of the difference between someone just being great and someone being a winner. Everyone will not get the opportunities Lebron and MJ get to be great but what you do when things aren't setup for you to be great means more. Its the reason why when you talk about great players statistics go out the window because at some point its more important to measure up how great the moment was. Contributions to rings is held in far greater regard than anything else. Michael Jordan going 5 for 19 in a finals game shouldn't be frowned upon, its what he does in that game to overcome adversity that should be praised. So winners find ways to win, great players put up great numbers and are nowhere to be found when it counts.

P.S. Of course this isn't a static thing. Guys can go from great to winners. But the longer you are a winner the greater the legacy.
 5 years ago '12        #589
Fearless Genius 69 heat pts69
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 DaDon23 said:
Why.....Why....... It was a peaceful day on BXSC without one of these threads and you just had to make one. fu*king k!ll yourself
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 MemphBleek05 said:
Why can't people just accept that there is no true answer to "Who is better" in many of these comparisons...............
 portis187 said:
how bout we wait till both careers are over. Whats the point of debating active players?
i was just curious, and i thought it was an interesting way to look at it. and when is it ever a peaceful day on BXSC?




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 5 years ago '12        #590
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 Cambury said:
It all depends on what you are speaking about. The way I look at basketball from a technical standpoint of what someone can and cannot do I see that there is a winners game and there is the game of a great player and its not won in the same. A winner impacts the game even when they aren't great, players that are great just play great despite wins or losses. I respect winners more. The past week was the perfect example with Kobe Bryant of the difference between someone just being great and someone being a winner. Everyone will not get the opportunities Lebron and MJ get to be great but what you do when things aren't setup for you to be great means more. Its the reason why when you talk about great players statistics go out the window because at some point its more important to measure up how great the moment was. Contributions to rings is held in far greater regard than anything else. Michael Jordan going 5 for 19 in a finals game shouldn't be frowned upon, its what he does in that game to overcome adversity that should be praised. So winners find ways to win, great players put up great numbers and are nowhere to be found when it counts.

P.S. Of course this isn't a static thing. Guys can go from great to winners. But the longer you are a winner the greater the legacy.
interesting way of looking at it.




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 04-05-2012, 11:20 AM         #591
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Greatness is clearly not defined by rings because if that was the case, Russell would be the GOAT and would be considered better than Jordan


Jordan is the best because he could do it all and he did it efficiently, not to mention he played both ends of the floor.

Kobe has yet to even have a season where he shot 50% from the field. He is not a legend...
 5 years ago '09        #592
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 EnlightenMe said:
Stats vs Rings Argument

if you argue that russell is greater than chamberlain, then do you have to say kobe is better than lebron? vice versa? is it inconsistent to say that russell is greater than chamberlain and also claim lebron is greater than kobe? just curious to hear opinions from informed members. don't want to hear any robert horry 7 rings garbage. star players have alot more to do with winning titles then role players.


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horry played a big a.ss part in getting all his rings go back to how many clutch shots and timely threes he made during all his playoff runs not saying he is on any of these players levels just saying dude contributed heavy in getting his rings.
 5 years ago '12        #593
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 faceoffizhere said:
horry played a big a.ss part in getting all his rings go back to how many clutch shots and timely threes he made during all his playoff runs not saying he is on any of these players levels just saying dude contributed heavy in getting his rings.
i don't think making one or two clutch shots in every third postseason is a "big a.ss part". he did play a larger role for the two he won in houston but for the other five he was a guy coming off the bench averaging 4 or 5 points a game and couldn't play d. not trying to disrespect the guy but let's keep it in perspective.




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 5 years ago '11        #594
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 04-05-2012, 12:41 PM         #595
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yea but russell always stopped wilt from getting his rings and despite wilt getting his stats, russell's teams always won when they played.

lebron dominates kobe in the reg season and they never met in the playoffs. no one is gonna say kobe is a better player all around and they're not two sg's/sf's anyway. bad comparison


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 5 years ago '09        #596
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Has kobes teams ever directly stopped lebron from winning a championship the way the greatest winner of all time did with wilt?
 5 years ago '07        #597
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 5 years ago '07        #598
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 5 years ago '12        #599
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 SeaJaiye said:
yea but russell always stopped wilt from getting his rings and despite wilt getting his stats, russell's teams always won when they played.

lebron dominates kobe in the reg season and they never met in the playoffs. no one is gonna say kobe is a better player all around and they're not two sg's/sf's anyway. bad comparison
actually wilt did beat russell atleast once in a playoff series towards winning an nba title in the 67 season. don't know if there are any other times. and don't you think they are somewhat comparable since they are both perimeter players? and what if they never meet in the playoffs? i think we have enough information to give a good arguments that one is better than the other if they never play each other. i think there is enough information to go off over the course of their careers.

 TriniSoldier said:
Has kobes teams ever directly stopped lebron from winning a championship the way the greatest winner of all time did with wilt?
jordan never beat bird's celtics in a playoff series. bird always dominated jordan in the playoffs. swept mj twice. jordan never redeemed himself against bird in the playoffs and most people conclude jordan is still the better player. why do kobe and lebron need to play each other in a playoff series to determine who's better?




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 5 years ago '09        #600
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 EnlightenMe said:
i don't think making one or two clutch shots in every third postseason is a "big a.ss part". he did play a larger role for the two he won in houston but for the other five he was a guy coming off the bench averaging 4 or 5 points a game and couldn't play d. not trying to disrespect the guy but let's keep it in perspective.
yea u must not have watched the games bruh 1 or two shots smh that n*gga hit daggers shots that if he didnt make they would of lost and not even made the finals
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