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 04-05-2012, 12:20 PM         #581
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Greatness is clearly not defined by rings because if that was the case, Russell would be the GOAT and would be considered better than Jordan


Jordan is the best because he could do it all and he did it efficiently, not to mention he played both ends of the floor.

Kobe has yet to even have a season where he shot 50% from the field. He is not a legend...
 6 years ago '09        #582
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 EnlightenMe said:
Stats vs Rings Argument

if you argue that russell is greater than chamberlain, then do you have to say kobe is better than lebron? vice versa? is it inconsistent to say that russell is greater than chamberlain and also claim lebron is greater than kobe? just curious to hear opinions from informed members. don't want to hear any robert horry 7 rings garbage. star players have alot more to do with winning titles then role players.


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horry played a big a.ss part in getting all his rings go back to how many clutch shots and timely threes he made during all his playoff runs not saying he is on any of these players levels just saying dude contributed heavy in getting his rings.
 6 years ago '12        #583
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 faceoffizhere said:
horry played a big a.ss part in getting all his rings go back to how many clutch shots and timely threes he made during all his playoff runs not saying he is on any of these players levels just saying dude contributed heavy in getting his rings.
i don't think making one or two clutch shots in every third postseason is a "big a.ss part". he did play a larger role for the two he won in houston but for the other five he was a guy coming off the bench averaging 4 or 5 points a game and couldn't play d. not trying to disrespect the guy but let's keep it in perspective.




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 6 years ago '11        #584
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 04-05-2012, 01:41 PM         #585
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yea but russell always stopped wilt from getting his rings and despite wilt getting his stats, russell's teams always won when they played.

lebron dominates kobe in the reg season and they never met in the playoffs. no one is gonna say kobe is a better player all around and they're not two sg's/sf's anyway. bad comparison


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 6 years ago '09        #586
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Has kobes teams ever directly stopped lebron from winning a championship the way the greatest winner of all time did with wilt?
 6 years ago '07        #587
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 6 years ago '07        #588
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 RMG 007 said:
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 6 years ago '12        #589
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 SeaJaiye said:
yea but russell always stopped wilt from getting his rings and despite wilt getting his stats, russell's teams always won when they played.

lebron dominates kobe in the reg season and they never met in the playoffs. no one is gonna say kobe is a better player all around and they're not two sg's/sf's anyway. bad comparison
actually wilt did beat russell atleast once in a playoff series towards winning an nba title in the 67 season. don't know if there are any other times. and don't you think they are somewhat comparable since they are both perimeter players? and what if they never meet in the playoffs? i think we have enough information to give a good arguments that one is better than the other if they never play each other. i think there is enough information to go off over the course of their careers.

 TriniSoldier said:
Has kobes teams ever directly stopped lebron from winning a championship the way the greatest winner of all time did with wilt?
jordan never beat bird's celtics in a playoff series. bird always dominated jordan in the playoffs. swept mj twice. jordan never redeemed himself against bird in the playoffs and most people conclude jordan is still the better player. why do kobe and lebron need to play each other in a playoff series to determine who's better?




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 6 years ago '09        #590
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 EnlightenMe said:
i don't think making one or two clutch shots in every third postseason is a "big a.ss part". he did play a larger role for the two he won in houston but for the other five he was a guy coming off the bench averaging 4 or 5 points a game and couldn't play d. not trying to disrespect the guy but let's keep it in perspective.
yea u must not have watched the games bruh 1 or two shots smh that n*gga hit daggers shots that if he didnt make they would of lost and not even made the finals
 6 years ago '12        #591
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 faceoffizhere said:
yea u must not have watched the games bruh 1 or two shots smh that n*gga hit daggers shots that if he didnt make they would of lost and not even made the finals
i watched the games, you watched the highlights. he didn't play a "big a.ss part". didn't say he didn't hit big shots. but big a.ss part? that's a stretch. if you said big part i might have been like but big a.ss part just went too far.




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 6 years ago '12        #592
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 6 years ago '09        #593
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 EnlightenMe said:
i watched the games, you watched the highlights. he didn't play a "big a.ss part". didn't say he didn't hit big shots. but big a.ss part? that's a stretch. if you said big part i might have been like but big a.ss part just went too far.
so big part and big a.ss part are different now you know what I meant though I watched all those games im a basketball fanatic bruh I watch like every single playoff game horry wasn't like rick fox where fox hit timely threes and locked n*ggas up but he was key to the triangle and he played decent defense timely threes and rebounds steals he was all around used for big moments on put the team on runs by hitting consecutive threes. I don't know why people left him open.
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 faceoffizhere said:
so big part and big a.ss part are different now you know what I meant though I watched all those games im a basketball fanatic bruh I watch like every single playoff game horry wasn't like rick fox where fox hit timely threes and locked n*ggas up but he was key to the triangle and he played decent defense timely threes and rebounds steals he was all around used for big moments on put the team on runs by hitting consecutive threes. I don't know why people left him open.

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watch the vid to make sure we are talking about the same guy. cause if we are, you are way off base. i was being sarcastic with the "big and big a.ss part" i was talking about if it wasn't clear. i wonder who you are referring to when you say he "locked n*ggas up". seriously, this is hysterical. never thought i'd hear someone talk about how robert horry "locked n*ggas up". dude was a decent player who hit some big shots. he's an average nba player at best. let's not act like this man won games single handedly. "


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 6 years ago '09        #595
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 EnlightenMe said:

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watch the vid to make sure we are talking about the same guy. cause if we are, you are way off base. i was being sarcastic with the "big and big a.ss part" i was talking about if it wasn't clear. i wonder who you are referring to when you say he "locked n*ggas up". seriously, this is hysterical. never thought i'd hear someone talk about how robert horry "locked n*ggas up". dude was a decent player who hit some big shots. he's an average nba player at best. let's not act like this man won games single handedly. "


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guess u didnt comprehend i said he wasnt like rick fox whom hit timely shots and locked n*ggas up lol all that for nothing i know horry didnt lock people up he was in the game for clutch moments and always came up big be it steal rebound shot gotta read bruh and u picked highlights when this n*gga was like forty thats the last team he played for go back to rockets and la highlights


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 6 years ago '12        #596
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 faceoffizhere said:
guess u didnt comprehend i said he wasnt like rick fox whom hit timely shots and locked n*ggas up lol all that for nothing i know horry didnt lock people up he was in the game for clutch moments and always came up big be it steal rebound shot gotta read bruh and u picked highlights when this n*gga was like forty thats the last team he played for go back to rockets and la highlights
you're right, i misread that. regardless, horry didn't do that much. he played in 244 playoff games. how many games do you think he had a big impact. come on man, get real. dude wasn't as big as you say he was. yes he had big moments, but he didn't have enough of them to say he was a big part of those championship runs. let me put it this way, he had moments that were instrumental in them winning a title, but to say he had a big part is disrespecting the stars that led those teams to a title.




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 6 years ago '04        #597
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Robert horry is an average player he's an all star player who was a crucial element for atleast 4 championship teams. To call robert horry average is almost as insulting as calling einstein retarded he has more rings then kobe as well. GTFOH.
 6 years ago '12        #598
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 KidKingGoD said:
Robert horry is an average player he's an all star player who was a crucial element for atleast 4 championship teams. To call robert horry average is almost as insulting as calling einstein retarded he has more rings then kobe as well. GTFOH.
no it isn't. atleast not if you understand basketball. you guys are so stuck on highlights that you forget about how average he was. he wasn't an impact player point black. i'll give it to him that he was clutch. seriously robert horry was like the 7th or 8th best player on alot of those teams with the exception of the houston championships. you guys seriously are overrating this man.




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 6 years ago '08        #599
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 EnlightenMe said:
no it isn't. atleast not if you understand basketball. you guys are so stuck on highlights that you forget about how average he was. he wasn't an impact player point black. i'll give it to him that he was clutch. seriously robert horry was like the 7th or 8th best player on alot of those teams with the exception of the houston championships. you guys seriously are overrating this man.
my n*gga, u havent said a thing i disagree with yet. u make sense and a lot of these n*ggas on here cant handle that. props
 04-15-2012, 11:28 PM         #600
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robert horry is trash....why the fu*k is he even in this thread...might as well bring up steve kerr
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