Kobe vs Jordan vs LeBron vs Durant - discussion thread (will be merged here)

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 6 years ago '05        #441
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 Nate187um said:
SO WHAT THOUGH???

he's overrated right?????

& we all know he takes the lowest % type of shots anyway to begin with

long range shots highly contested against double/triple teams

again idk why people talk like they dont know this already

why compare someone taking easy a.ss shots to someone who takes tougher shots from further out?
that's our point. pass the ball.
 6 years ago '07        #442
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 Nate187um said:
SO WHAT THOUGH???

he's overrated right?????

& we all know he takes the lowest % type of shots anyway to begin with


long range shots highly contested against double/triple teams

again idk why people talk like they dont know this already

why compare someone taking easy a.ss shots to someone who takes tougher shots from further out?
so compare him to ray allen then if he's admittedly not in MJ's class as a scorer
 6 years ago '07        #443
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 Nate187um said:
this

undersized 180 pound guard GP forced mj to shoot 5-19 (26%) in game 6 on the 96 finals.

considering how close to the basket he played that number is disgusting

the prototype has had MULTIPLE NIGHTS of

4-13...4-14...4-16.....3-17...5-20....6-22...7-22...5-18...12-36...7-28...7-25.......2-17...12-39..3-16.....performances

lol @ taking 39 shots to get 29 points


again the fact he didn't really have range and played so close to the basket and still put up those sh*tty numbers is HORRIBLE

thank god that bum was the PROTOTYPE
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47 shots to get 41 pts

 6 years ago '05        #444
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if mitch n jim dont care then why do you
 03-09-2012, 09:36 AM         #445
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whats the most shots both players ever attempted

kobe = 46 shots on 60% in 4Q shooting to get 81 points

prototype 49 shots on 55% in OT to get 64 points


jordan is missing easy a.ss close jumpers AGAINST 1 DEFENDER....theres no excuse for such sh*tty shooting when thats your game

but no we'll compare that to kobe missing lower % shots from further out over multiple defenders instead like its the same
 6 years ago '07        #446
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u can't give somebody a handicap by basically saying they're a jump shooter with terrible shot selection. nobody made him play that way .

looking at each player's single best game is about as useful as looking at each player's worst game. it kind of matters what happened in between those extremes .
 6 years ago '04        #447
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lol at this nicca listing games where kobe shot 0-4 when he probably only played 10 minutes
 6 years ago '07        #448
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 Nate187um said:
whats the most shots both players ever attempted

kobe = 46 shots on 60% in 4Q shooting to get 81 points

prototype 49 shots on 55% in OT to get 64 points


jordan is missing easy a.ss close jumpers AGAINST 1 DEFENDER....theres no excuse for such sh*tty shooting when thats your game

but no we'll compare that to kobe missing lower % shots from further out over multiple defenders instead like its the same
LMAO you are making Kobe look worse every post.

You saying "he shoots further out over triple teams," versus Jordan shooting a higher % shot means what? Jordan obviously was smarter than Kobe in shot selection.

Do you understand how much you are hurting your own case?
 6 years ago '04        #449
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 joshdogg26 said:
u can't give somebody a handicap by basically saying they're a jump shooter with terrible shot selection. nobody made him play that way .

looking at each player's single best game is about as useful as looking at each player's worst game. it kind of matters what happened in between those extremes .
A lot of people do believe he has bad shot selection, but he actually practices all those shots and is comfortable taking them.

Kobe's problem is that he doesn't know when to stop when things aren't going his way
 6 years ago '07        #450
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 Nate187um said:
whats the most shots both players ever attempted

kobe = 46 shots on 60% in 4Q shooting to get 81 points

prototype 49 shots on 55% in OT to get 64 points


jordan is missing easy a.ss close jumpers AGAINST 1 DEFENDER....theres no excuse for such sh*tty shooting when thats your game

but no we'll compare that to kobe missing lower % shots from further out over multiple defenders instead like its the same
prototype didnt shoot one 3 pointer


kobe shot 13 3 pointers made 7 when scored 81

 6 years ago '07        #451
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 GollyI'mGully said:
lol at this nicca listing games where kobe shot 0-4 when he probably only played 10 minutes
sorry buddy, just listing them ALL. if u must know, kobe's average performance was 30.5 minutes, 3.7-14.9 (25.0%) in 135 games. jordan's was 35.2 minutes, 4.75-18.5 (25.7%)in 48 games.

any other questions?
 6 years ago '04        #452
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 timdog said:
prototype didnt shoot one 3 pointer


kobe shot 13 3 pointers made 7 when scored 81

I'm sure he would have made plenty of those with his 16.7% shooting percentage from 3 that season.
 6 years ago '04        #453
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 joshdogg26 said:
sorry buddy, just listing them ALL. if u must know, kobe's average performance was 30.5 minutes, 3.7-14.9 (25.0%) in 135 games. jordan's was 35.2 minutes, 4.75-18.5 (25.7%)in 48 games.

any other questions?
i didn't ask one
 6 years ago '11        #454
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 Nate187um said:
4-14
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all games 30% or under


homey attempted 43 shots twice for 41 & 43 points..36 shots for 37 points..35 for 35...34 for 36

& to think this n*gga rarely attempted any 3's....so these are all close shot attempts/in the paint

OVER ONE DEFENDER IN THE HIGHEST SCORING ERA OF BASKETBALL AT THAT

Oh sh*t! Shots FIRED!
 6 years ago '07        #455
joshdogg26 193 heat pts193
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 A.G said:
A lot of people do believe he has bad shot selection, but he actually practices all those shots and is comfortable taking them.

Kobe's problem is that he doesn't know when to stop when things aren't going his way
that's fine and well, i just think it's funny when people make excuses for him for that reason. that's his prerogative if he wants to take lower-efficiency shots. it doesn't excuse him from not shooting as well as other people . if u want to say he's a better jump shooter, that's one thing, but in terms of just scoring, that's like when people say iverson was the best because he was short lol.
 6 years ago '04        #456
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 joshdogg26 said:
that's fine and well, i just think it's funny when people make excuses for him for that reason. that's his prerogative if he wants to take lower-efficiency shots. it doesn't excuse him from not shooting as well as other people . if u want to say he's a better jump shooter, that's one thing, but in terms of just scoring, that's like when people say iverson was the best because he was short lol.
Is it not the same when people try to say certain things because of Kobe's lower FG%?

Even though he averages relatively the same points per shot (which is a very crude measure, but simple to understand) over his career as Jordan does, while taking less ft?
 6 years ago '07        #457
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 A.G said:
I'm sure he would have made plenty of those with his 16.7% shooting percentage from 3 that season.
so he got his points with out the use of the three

take away kobe 7 he hit
 03-09-2012, 10:14 AM         #458
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watch games and stop sucking d!ck. Kobe passes to these dudes in great positions, more than enough to average 10 a.ssists. Pau passes every time Kobe passes to him, if he catches it, dude drops 2 balls per game. Or go up soft underneath and get freethrows no a.ssists for that. The worst three point shooting team in the league. He's hitting open guys all night, they aren't completing the play at a high rate. You'd clearly see that if you watched a fu*king game every once in a while smh Hate boxscore fans...come to think of it is that what BX stand for? Boxscore fans?
 03-09-2012, 10:18 AM         #459
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 ChiCity Fingaz said:
You know Boxden fell off when n*ggas make threads everytime a superstar has a bad game. You can picture some of these lames reading some box scores and tingling inside when they see Kobe went 8-25 and rushing to BX to get a hot topic before SM does it.
nail on the head.

I went to sleep last night, I'm checking in to see the Rose 6-22 game 0-11 second half last night. I know n*ggas is saying that's why he'll never be MVP again and LeBron's the greatest...Found my way to this thread first though.
 6 years ago '07        #460
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 A.G said:
Is it not the same when people try to say certain things because of Kobe's lower FG%?

Even though he averages relatively the same points per shot (which is a very crude measure, but simple to understand) over his career as Jordan does, while taking less ft?
i've used pts/FGA before but like u said it's tough to measure because the range is so small, among other things. what seems like a slight difference is actually pretty significant. it's true that MJ finished a career 1.32 and kobe is at 1.30, but kobe is also having the least efficient season of his career and most likely only going down from there while jordan's twilight years really k!lled that number for him. he was at 1.35 in just his bulls career, but was 1.04 and 1.07 those 2 seasons in washington. to put that in perspective, kobe has only been over 1.35 in 3 seasons.

so i don't necessarily disagree with that point i just think u have to wait to reach a verdict on that.


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