Kobe vs Jordan vs LeBron vs Durant - discussion thread (will be merged here)

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 5 years ago '07        #441
joshdogg26 191 heat pts191
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 GollyI'mGully said:
kobe doesn't care about his shooting percentage or stats (most of the time), he cares about winning so he is not afraid to take shots. unlike some others...
neither do JR smith, iverson, or gilbert arenas.
 5 years ago '06        #442
philly337 19 heat pts19
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 joshdogg26 said:
EDIT: apologies, that was wrong. for some reason when u do a game finder for jordan, it defaults only his rookie season (it doesn't do that for anybody else), so i've fixed it.

to answer the question: yes, had one game making 9 or fewer shots on 31 or more attempts (9-35 against miami on 5-26-97). he had 48 games shooting 30% or worse.

kobe has 3 such games (9-31, 8-31, and 9-33). he has 135 games shooting 30% or worse.

Came in here to post something similar when I saw dude say Jordan had just as many

good look...I swear these dudes never seen mike play
 03-09-2012, 09:12 AM         #443
Nate187um  OP
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4-14
4-16
3-17
5-20
6-22
4-16
7-24
5-18
4-15
5-17
4-20
7-28
5-19
8-27
5-20
7-26
8-27
7-25
5-17
5-17
2-17
4-16
4-16
7-25
3-16
5-26
1-5
2-10
2-9
5-21
4-14
4-14
7-24
1-9
3-12
4-16
5-20
5-19
4-15
4-14
4-14
4-14

all games 30% or under


homey attempted 43 shots twice for 41 & 43 points..36 shots for 37 points..35 for 35...34 for 36

& to think this n*gga rarely attempted any 3's....so these are all close shot attempts/in the paint

OVER ONE DEFENDER IN THE HIGHEST SCORING ERA OF BASKETBALL AT THAT

 5 years ago '04        #444
torious 64 heat pts64
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 Nate187um said:
4-14
4-16
3-17
5-20
6-22
4-16
7-24
5-18
4-15
5-17
4-20
7-28
5-19
8-27
5-20
7-26
8-27
7-25
5-17
5-17
2-17
4-16
4-16
7-25
3-16
5-26
1-5
2-10
2-9
5-21
4-14
4-14
7-24
1-9
3-12
4-16
5-20
5-19
4-15
4-14
4-14
4-14

all games 30% or under


homey attempted 43 shots twice for 41 & 43 points..36 shots for 37 points..35 for 35...34 for 36

& to think this n*gga rarely attempted any 3's....so these are all close shot attempts/in the paint

OVER ONE DEFENDER IN THE HIGHEST SCORING ERA OF BASKETBALL AT THAT

 5 years ago '04        #445
A.G 27 heat pts27
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 Nate187um said:
4-14
4-16
3-17
5-20
6-22
4-16
7-24
5-18
4-15
5-17
4-20
7-28
5-19
8-27
5-20
7-26
8-27
7-25
5-17
5-17
2-17
4-16
4-16
7-25
3-16
5-26
1-5
2-10
2-9
5-21
4-14
4-14
7-24
1-9
3-12
4-16
5-20
5-19
4-15
4-14
4-14
4-14

all games 30% or under


homey attempted 43 shots twice for 41 & 43 points..36 shots for 37 points..35 for 35...34 for 36

& to think this n*gga rarely attempted any 3's....so these are all close shot attempts/in the paint

OVER ONE DEFENDER IN THE HIGHEST SCORING ERA OF BASKETBALL AT THAT

 5 years ago '04        #446
MosDefinition 19 heat pts19
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 philly337 said:
Came in here to post something similar when I saw dude say Jordan had just as many

good look...I swear these dudes never seen mike play
jordan retired in 98 so i doubt most of the fans who arent bulls fan actually dont remember him well

its like babe ruth stories now they get bigger and bigger the more time that passes
 5 years ago '07        #447
joshdogg26 191 heat pts191
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kobe's list of 30% or below games is almost 3 times longer

7 - 25
9 - 31
9 - 30
7 - 24
8 - 27
5 - 25
7 - 24
8 - 31
5 - 23
9 - 33
5 - 22
7 - 24
8 - 27
6 - 24
6 - 23
5 - 17
9 - 30
7 - 26
6 - 20
7 - 25
8 - 29
6 - 25
5 - 21
6 - 20
5 - 19
6 - 23
8 - 29
8 - 27
3 - 13
4 - 19
4 - 17
6 - 20
4 - 19
4 - 14
5 - 21
5 - 20
5 - 24
6 - 22
4 - 16
5 - 18
6 - 22
7 - 26
7 - 27
5 - 18
6 - 20
4 - 14
7 - 24
6 - 28
4 - 17
4 - 19
6 - 20
5 - 17
4 - 15
4 - 18
5 - 19
4 - 15
4 - 16
3 - 17
2 - 9
5 - 19
5 - 17
4 - 15
4 - 21
4 - 18
5 - 23
3 - 11
3 - 12
5 - 17
2 - 9
2 - 9
2 - 11
3 - 12
5 - 18
4 - 14
4 - 16
5 - 21
4 - 14
4 - 19
3 - 10
4 - 14
3 - 10
2 - 16
2 - 9
1 - 10
3 - 11
3 - 10
5 - 18
3 - 12
3 - 11
3 - 14
4 - 14
3 - 10
3 - 10
2 - 9
3 - 13
1 - 8
4 - 20
2 - 10
1 - 6
2 - 11
2 - 10
2 - 9
2 - 8
3 - 13
2 - 12
2 - 7
1 - 9
2 - 10
2 - 7
2 - 7
1 - 5
2 - 7
1 - 6
1 - 4
0 - 2
1 - 4
1 - 7
1 - 7
1 - 6
0 - 3
0 - 4
0 - 4
0 - 1
0 - 1
0 - 1
0 - 4
0 - 1
0 - 1
0 - 2
0 - 1
0 - 2
0 - 3
0 - 1
0 - 2
0 - 1
 5 years ago '04        #448
A.G 27 heat pts27
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Season FG%
2011-12 0.443
2010-11 0.459
2009-10 0.461
2008-09 0.459
2007-08 0.457
2006-07 0.458
2005-06 0.454
2004-05 0.447
2003-04 0.439
2002-03 0.442
2001-02 0.445
2000-01 0.443
1999-00 0.449
1998-99 0.437
1997-98 0.45
1996-97 0.455
1995-96 0.462
1994-95 0.466
1993-94 0.466
1992-93 0.473
1991-92 0.472
1990-91 0.474
1989-90 0.476
1988-89 0.477
1987-88 0.48
1986-87 0.48
1985-86 0.487
1984-85 0.491





Wow @ the entire league shooting nearly 50%
 03-09-2012, 09:24 AM         #449
Nate187um  OP
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 joshdogg26 said:
kobe's list of 30% or below games is almost 3 times longer
SO WHAT THOUGH???

he's overrated right?????

& we all know he takes the lowest % type of shots anyway to begin with


long range shots highly contested against double/triple teams

again idk why people talk like they dont know this already

why compare someone taking easy a.ss shots to someone who takes tougher shots from further out?
 5 years ago '05        #450
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 Nate187um said:
SO WHAT THOUGH???

he's overrated right?????

& we all know he takes the lowest % type of shots anyway to begin with

long range shots highly contested against double/triple teams

again idk why people talk like they dont know this already

why compare someone taking easy a.ss shots to someone who takes tougher shots from further out?
that's our point. pass the ball.
 5 years ago '07        #451
joshdogg26 191 heat pts191
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 Nate187um said:
SO WHAT THOUGH???

he's overrated right?????

& we all know he takes the lowest % type of shots anyway to begin with


long range shots highly contested against double/triple teams

again idk why people talk like they dont know this already

why compare someone taking easy a.ss shots to someone who takes tougher shots from further out?
so compare him to ray allen then if he's admittedly not in MJ's class as a scorer
 5 years ago '07        #452
timdog 782 heat pts782
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 Nate187um said:
this

undersized 180 pound guard GP forced mj to shoot 5-19 (26%) in game 6 on the 96 finals.

considering how close to the basket he played that number is disgusting

the prototype has had MULTIPLE NIGHTS of

4-13...4-14...4-16.....3-17...5-20....6-22...7-22...5-18...12-36...7-28...7-25.......2-17...12-39..3-16.....performances

lol @ taking 39 shots to get 29 points


again the fact he didn't really have range and played so close to the basket and still put up those sh*tty numbers is HORRIBLE

thank god that bum was the PROTOTYPE
17-47

47 shots to get 41 pts

 5 years ago '05        #453
Dun Language 3805 heat pts3805
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if mitch n jim dont care then why do you
 03-09-2012, 09:36 AM         #454
Nate187um  OP
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whats the most shots both players ever attempted

kobe = 46 shots on 60% in 4Q shooting to get 81 points

prototype 49 shots on 55% in OT to get 64 points


jordan is missing easy a.ss close jumpers AGAINST 1 DEFENDER....theres no excuse for such sh*tty shooting when thats your game

but no we'll compare that to kobe missing lower % shots from further out over multiple defenders instead like its the same
 5 years ago '07        #455
joshdogg26 191 heat pts191
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u can't give somebody a handicap by basically saying they're a jump shooter with terrible shot selection. nobody made him play that way .

looking at each player's single best game is about as useful as looking at each player's worst game. it kind of matters what happened in between those extremes .
 5 years ago '04        #456
GollyI'mGully 69 heat pts69
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lol at this nicca listing games where kobe shot 0-4 when he probably only played 10 minutes
 5 years ago '07        #457
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 Nate187um said:
whats the most shots both players ever attempted

kobe = 46 shots on 60% in 4Q shooting to get 81 points

prototype 49 shots on 55% in OT to get 64 points


jordan is missing easy a.ss close jumpers AGAINST 1 DEFENDER....theres no excuse for such sh*tty shooting when thats your game

but no we'll compare that to kobe missing lower % shots from further out over multiple defenders instead like its the same
LMAO you are making Kobe look worse every post.

You saying "he shoots further out over triple teams," versus Jordan shooting a higher % shot means what? Jordan obviously was smarter than Kobe in shot selection.

Do you understand how much you are hurting your own case?
 5 years ago '04        #458
A.G 27 heat pts27
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 joshdogg26 said:
u can't give somebody a handicap by basically saying they're a jump shooter with terrible shot selection. nobody made him play that way .

looking at each player's single best game is about as useful as looking at each player's worst game. it kind of matters what happened in between those extremes .
A lot of people do believe he has bad shot selection, but he actually practices all those shots and is comfortable taking them.

Kobe's problem is that he doesn't know when to stop when things aren't going his way
 5 years ago '07        #459
timdog 782 heat pts782
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 Nate187um said:
whats the most shots both players ever attempted

kobe = 46 shots on 60% in 4Q shooting to get 81 points

prototype 49 shots on 55% in OT to get 64 points


jordan is missing easy a.ss close jumpers AGAINST 1 DEFENDER....theres no excuse for such sh*tty shooting when thats your game

but no we'll compare that to kobe missing lower % shots from further out over multiple defenders instead like its the same
prototype didnt shoot one 3 pointer


kobe shot 13 3 pointers made 7 when scored 81

 5 years ago '07        #460
joshdogg26 191 heat pts191
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 GollyI'mGully said:
lol at this nicca listing games where kobe shot 0-4 when he probably only played 10 minutes
sorry buddy, just listing them ALL. if u must know, kobe's average performance was 30.5 minutes, 3.7-14.9 (25.0%) in 135 games. jordan's was 35.2 minutes, 4.75-18.5 (25.7%)in 48 games.

any other questions?
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