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 7 years ago '04        #61
samclo 9 heat pts
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 dre03 said:
So ur admitting Jordan was the Bulls entire offense?? He was their best low post and perimeter player...

I can name you dozens of players who didnt have to share the ball with other players and they didnt achieve Jordan numbers while winning...

Kobe has never had to be his team's entire offense... When Jordan wasnt on the floor his team struggles... Majority of the teams Kobe have been on they only need him for the last minute of the game... They can blow out most opponents but in tight games they need Kobe... Jordan didnt have that luxury... His team needed him every quarter...
Your clearly a hater and know nothing about basketball so I'll just leave it at that.
 7 years ago '06        #62
primetimemookie 2 heat pts
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 jhj26 said:
it's simple...look at jordan's competition compared to kobe's competition....

jordan had to go up against the likes of : larry bird, magic johnson, charles barkley, dominique wilkins, clyde drexler, john starks, patrick ewing, hakeem olajawon, john stockton, karl malone, danny ainge, etc....

kobe's competition is....................chris paul

by the time the bulls got pippen and phil jackson and went from being a basic team to a contender, bird was on his way out, magic and the lakers run was ending, barkley and the suns werent even competition to bulls. not to mention, magic, barkley, drexler, hakeem, stockton, and malone were in the western conference so he didnt play them that much if thats were your going with the paul thing.

the rockets could have beat the bulls those two years they won, lets not forget when jordan came back they were knocked out of the playoffs and didnt make the finals.

dominique wilkins was the only one in the league who could put up the same numbers as jordan which is why MJ won so many scoring titles, not to mention there was not a single day in his entire career he wasnt the number 1 option.

dont even try to say john starks and clyde drexler were even close to todays competition, for that matter neither was danny ainge.

now lets look at the players who kobe has had to compete against...Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobli just from the spurs...allen iverson and tracy mcgrady who didnt do anything but shoot 30+ times a game part of the reason kobe didnt get more scoring titles...ray allen, paul pierce, kevin garnett just from the celtics....dwight howard, yao ming, chris webber, Dirk, Jason Kidd, shall i continue? cause i've already listed better plays than you did....lebron, derrick rose, d wade, rajon rondo, chris paul, kevin durant, brandon roy, carmelo anthony, chauncy, amare, steve nash...you get the point...
 04-30-2011, 11:33 AM         #63
illicitx  OP
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 P. Dedos said:
cornel sanders is just saying that because hes getting 10 million a year


read phil jacksons book he rips kobe to shreads his word aint worth sh*t now



shaq sonned phil jackson on this a long time ago
I hope Planned Parenthood doesn't lose it's funding, because if it does, more idiots like you will pass the opportunity of abortion.
 04-30-2011, 11:34 AM         #64
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 samclo said:
Do me a favor and tell me one season where jordan had to share the ball with anyone but himself?
Do me a favor and tell me what his career shooting percentage was and if you were the coach would complain your best player was that effective?
 7 years ago '04        #65
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 Young Professa said:
i love it when people bring jordan's competitino to the likes of Bird and Magic. first of all jordan never defended or was defended by either of them them by position. send of all as he progressed into his prime years, they were both well past their primes. and third, when magic and bird were in their prime years, neither was a defensive stopper by any strecth of the imagination.


so can we please cease the bullsh*t about jordan vs magic/bird when justifying his competition? how about starks, marjele, ainge, richmond, drexler, hornececk, ehlo, and other sg's that kobe would drop 40+ on respectively?

you ain't fooling me....i grew up thru the entire jordan era. stats never tell the entire story
M... Shut yo lying a.ss up u nust have been 2 when Jordan won his first ring... Otherwise u would know Magic was not past his prime when he lost to Jordan... That season was the most he played in a few seasons and was one of his best statistical years and he came in 2nd behind Jordan for MVP... There is no way you can sit here and tell me u watched the Jordan era and dont remember the headlines saying who is the real MVP in that finals... Magic balled his a.ss off that year... It was the most anticipated match up ever in the Finals...The two best players in the sport...

And Retard when we say competition... Nobody is talking about defending one on one... They are talking about winning and losing... Like when u say Barkley, Malone, Ewing, Stockton, Gary Payton, Clyde didnt win a championship because of Jordan... Ur not saying because Jordan shut them down dumbass... Ur saying because Jordan didnt allow his team to lose... Thats what is meant by competition...
 7 years ago '05        #66
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 r.burgundy said:
i said best frontcourt,not best player.
pau,bynum,odom,artest is 1 of tha leagues top 3 frontcourt

and any frontcourt wit prime shaq is automatically top 2.and how was horry declinin?he wasnt even 30 when they won that 1st ring


And you dont think that Kobe has MADE that frontcourt(aside from artest). The same LO was an inconsistent 2nd option? The same Bynum who has been injury plagued and has missed a lot of key games/situations? I already told you what it is with Pau...Artest isnt as good as he was, but he has stepped his game up recently(wonder why )

And you have to be 30 to be declining now? Brandon Roy disagrees with you. If you think Horry was 'beastin' during his time with the lakers, you must have never seen him play with the Rockets
 7 years ago '11        #67
inthezone 4 heat pts
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not even an argument
jordan the goat and will always be the goat

phil is just saying that now to give kobe a psychological edge in the playoffs

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threadstarter prob 18
you have to be 30++ to truly understand how good jordan was
 04-30-2011, 11:52 AM         #68
22k  OP
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Kobe needs motivation to get out of the first round - how many times did elite Jordan need that in the first round?

Phil breaks him down and then builds him back up because Kobe doesn't have the mental toughness to do it without mind games.
 7 years ago '04        #69
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 ktbballplaya said:
Do me a favor and tell me what his career shooting percentage was and if you were the coach would complain your best player was that effective?
Look guy I'm not tryin to take anything away from jordan. He is arguably the greatest basketball player of all time. What I said was directed to all these stat wh0ores who act as if kobe came into the nba and was asked to do everything for his team he couldn't put up the same if not better numbers.
 04-30-2011, 11:59 AM         #70
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Jordans numbers were similar to Kobes when he actually faced defenses that allowed a similar PPG/FG%

#justsayin
 7 years ago '08        #71
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Its funny how jordan lovers can only post that infochart and that same long paragraph everytime. Monkey see, monkey do...
 7 years ago '07        #72
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 22k said:
Phil breaks him down and then builds him back up because Kobe doesn't have the mental toughness to do it without mind games.
Oh so your Kobe's psychiatrist?
 04-30-2011, 12:17 PM         #73
Kuchiki_Byakuya  OP
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A lot of hate in dis thread.

Kobe is GOAT.
 7 years ago '07        #74
r.burgundy 16 heat pts16
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 astroblack9 said:
And you dont think that Kobe has MADE that frontcourt(aside from artest). The same LO was an inconsistent 2nd option? The same Bynum who has been injury plagued and has missed a lot of key games/situations? I already told you what it is with Pau...Artest isnt as good as he was, but he has stepped his game up recently(wonder why )

And you have to be 30 to be declining now? Brandon Roy disagrees with you. If you think Horry was 'beastin' during his time with the lakers, you must have never seen him play with the Rockets
wtf r u talkin about lol?
how exactly did kobe make tha frontcourt?

when robert horry loses cartilage in both his knees like roy,then holla at me.horry neva missed more than a few games a season wit l.a and that u would imply he was somehow beastin wit tha rockets really shows u kno jack sh*t about ball
 7 years ago '07        #75
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 samclo said:
Look guy I'm not tryin to take anything away from jordan. He is arguably the greatest basketball player of all time. What I said was directed to all these stat wh0ores who act as if kobe came into the nba and was asked to do everything for his team he couldn't put up the same if not better numbers.
tha years he was asked to carry tha team he demanded a trade a and blamed all tha loses on smush parker
 7 years ago '05        #76
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 r.burgundy said:
wtf r u talkin about lol?
how exactly did kobe make tha frontcourt?

when robert horry loses cartilage in both his knees like roy,then holla at me.horry neva missed more than a few games a season wit l.a and that u would imply he was somehow beastin wit tha rockets really shows u kno jack sh*t about ball

wow...go watch highlights of Horry displaying his athleticism...dunkin on n*ggas and having 'light feet'...

and howd Kobe make his current front court better? Uh, i thought that was evidenced by the fact that L.O. wasnt sh*t as 1 option, Pau was a failure, Artest was a career loser, and Bynum was a young inexperienced center with no toughness n injury problems....but yeah, kobe doesnt make any1 better


your hate is blinding you...
 7 years ago '04        #77
samclo 9 heat pts
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 r.burgundy said:
tha years he was asked to carry tha team he demanded a trade a and blamed all tha loses on smush parker
What does any of that have to do with kobes level of play?
 7 years ago '06        #78
Bouncer 16 heat pts16
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lmao @ kobe stans...

he's not better than jordan. nothing more needs to b said. cry about it.
 7 years ago '06        #79
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 astroblack9 said:

wow...go watch highlights of Horry displaying his athleticism...dunkin on n*ggas and having 'light feet'...

and howd Kobe make his current front court better? Uh, i thought that was evidenced by the fact that L.O. wasnt sh*t as 1 option, Pau was a failure, Artest was a career loser, and Bynum was a young inexperienced center with no toughness n injury problems....but yeah, kobe doesnt make any1 better


your hate is blinding you...
...kobe doesn't make his teammates better.
 7 years ago '04        #80
samclo 9 heat pts
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 Bouncer said:
lmao @ kobe stans...

he's not better than jordan. nothing more needs to b said. cry about it.
Alright tell me why he's not without bringing up stats.
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