Uh oh : Phil jackson : Kobe is as good as michael david stern mvps dont matter theyre the same convo

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 7 years ago '07        #21
j_k1dd 8 heat pts
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 illogik said:
So being a sidekick makes him better?
I can see u missed the significance, put it this way... Kobe came in as pippen, 8 years as pippen, and by the 5th year him and shaq already began to butt heads because he wanted ro be Jordan. So unlike pippen he didn't want to just fall back, kobe knew his potential for greatness and shaq was stoping him from that. Thats how jordan would have been too had he been drafted on a team with an established #1 option
 7 years ago '06        #22
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 VCMJ1523 said:
aight let's end this s**t once and for all cause yall make me sick with ur lack of knowledge about the game the s**t ain't even debateable.First off kobe just finished his 14th season..everything jordan did was 13 with the bulls and in 2 he only played 17 and 18 games and not eligible for any awards so really played 11..now let's break the s**t down....


jordan 6 rings / kobe 5 rings (6-0 vs 5-2)

jordan 6 finals mvps / kobe 2 finals mvps

jordan 5 mvps / kobe 1 mvp (jordan could have won every year..kobe's belongs to chris paul)

jordan 10 scoring titles / kobe 2 scoring titles

jordan 1 dpoy / kobe 0 dpoy

jordan league lead in steals 3 times / kobe never has

jordan rookie of the year / kobe nope

10 all nba first teams / kobe 8 time all nba first teams

9 all defensive first teams / kobe 8 time all defensive first team (and don't even get me started on this)


pause here..this is pretty much all awards possible that have any meaning and he does not have 1....not 1 f**kin thing more then jordan and is only tied in one (defensive teams) which he doesn't deserve half lol..now let's move on to the statline....


jordan with the bulls...31.5 ppg,6.3 rpg,5.4 apg,2.5 spg,0.9 bpg,.51% fg%,33% 3pt%


kobe with the lakers....25.3 ppg,5.3 rpg,4.7 apg,1.5 spg,0.6 bpg,46% fg%,34% 3pt%


once again kids wtf yall smoking?Crushes him in everything except 3pt% which he's 1% behind.Let's move to the playoffs....


jordan playoff numbers..33.4 ppg,6.4 rpg,5.7 apg,2.1 spg,0.9 bpg,49% fg%,33% 3pt%


kobe playoff numbers....25.5 ppg,5.2 rpg,4.8 apg,1.4 spg,0.7 bpg,45% fg%,34% 3pt%


yet again way better in everything except 3pt which is 1% difference.Also kobe has played 19 more playoff games and jordan has 900+ points,100+ rebounds,about 70 more a.ssists,about 100 more steals,and about 20 more blocks .Let's roll on to the finals


jordan 6-0 6 finals mvps...33.6 ppg,6.0 rpg,6.0 apg,1.8 spg,0.7 bpg,48% fg%,37% 3pt%


kobe 4-2 2 finals mvps......24.9 ppg,5.8 rpg,5.2 apg,1.6 spg,0.9 bpg,41% fg%,32% 3pt%


and another one


Let's break down their game...


scoring - jordan

mid range game - close..prob even

long range - kobe

driving - jordan

rebounding - jordan

passing - jordan

on ball defender - jordan

help defender - jordan

steals - jordan

blocking - jordan

clutch - jordan (have almost same amount of game winners and kobe has way more misses..clutch isn't just buzzer beaters it's puttin the team on ur back in the 4th in clutch situations...not gettin blownout by 37 points in the finals and losing a big lead at home in the finals)


how about their 60 point games?


Jordan’s 60pt+ games came against the 1st, 2nd, 5th, 10th & 12th ranked defenses. Against teams that averaged 52 wins, 30 losses


Kobe's 60pt+ games came against the 11th, 23rd, 26th, 29th & 30th ranked defenses. And those 5 teams had an average record of 35-47


how about records..go to nba.com and see how many kobe got on there .It's wilt,then jordan,then the rest scattered around when it comes to record held in the nba.Jordan holds about 50+ nba records...what kobe got like 3-4?


tired of typin..
this here

As for phil...the same guy who said this last month?



Who better to answer the "Who's Better?" question than the man who coached them both? In a sit down conversation with the L.A. Times, Lakers coach, and former Bulls coach, Phil Jackson said that, despite Bryant's growing list of accomplishments, Jordan simply defies comparison.



"Kobe has patterned himself after Michael, and there are a lot of identical things there, but it's one thing to hope to be like him, it's another thing to be like him."

So when Jackson's next book comes out, and it will, will Jackson reveal who he thinks was best — Jordan or Bryant?



"I'm with [ESPN's] Bill Simmons on this," he says. "We have to take Michael Jordan out of the equation. Stop comparing anyone to Michael Jordan. It's just not fair. He was remarkable. Kobe's in his own sphere.



"He doesn't shoot the same percentage [.455] as Michael [.497]. He has the same characteristics as Michael, but he's not the same player. It takes nothing away from him — he's a great player in his own right."
Yea thats what I thought...its obvious hes just trying to push kobe in the playoffs

And dont get me started on stern hes the main factor in the kobe myth trying to create the next jordan from minor,penny,carter,kobe ect.....dude has tried to gift wrap every award for kobe and this comment proves it. Kobe belongs nowhere near the mvp race....howard,bron,and rose all should get more votes hands down
 7 years ago '09        #23
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 philly337 said:
this here

As for phil...the same guy who said this last month?



Yea thats what I thought...its obvious hes just trying to push kobe in the playoffs

And dont get me started on stern hes the main factor in the kobe myth trying to create the next jordan from minor,penny,carter,kobe ect.....dude has tried to gift wrap every award for kobe and this comment proves it. Kobe belongs nowhere near the mvp race....howard,bron,and rose all should get more votes hands down
This but everyone will ignore it
 7 years ago '09        #24
NLSP42 151 heat pts151
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This is just Mannie Fresh being Mannie Fresh
 7 years ago '04        #25
Texas 
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He definitely has more r*pes than MJ so he won there...
 7 years ago '04        #26
KURUPTION!!! 541 heat pts541
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Man, that Kobe vs MJ time of the month comes around quick nowadays.
 7 years ago '04        #27
KURUPTION!!! 541 heat pts541
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 j_k1dd said:
Yeah thats good info and all, but you also forgot the 8 years Kobe played sidekick to Shaq.

Unfortunate, but he had no control over it. & Yes it does play a huge factor.

This was posted in that Jordan Ether thread, and I don't completely agree with it, but what I do agree with is how big of a factor those 8 years Kobe wasn't able to completely a.ssert his role as the #1 option.

There is no way anyone can say that wanting to become the first option or even becomming the first option behind Shaq isn't a big accomplishment.
That video made a lot of good points.
 7 years ago '09        #28
5_star_smitty|m 208 heat pts208
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at least the weekly mj vs kobe thread is made...
i was getting worried bx would miss the quota this time around.
 7 years ago '04        #29
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 philly337 said:
this here

As for phil...the same guy who said this last month?



Yea thats what I thought...its obvious hes just trying to push kobe in the playoffs

And dont get me started on stern hes the main factor in the kobe myth trying to create the next jordan from minor,penny,carter,kobe ect.....dude has tried to gift wrap every award for kobe and this comment proves it. Kobe belongs nowhere near the mvp race....howard,bron,and rose all should get more votes hands down
Bill Simmons' point was that people should stop comparing players of today for Jordan and Phil agreed with it.


Even in the recent quote, he said “I wouldn’t compare them”, but that “I think Kobe’s as good as Michael.”


There's nothing there that said he thought MJ was better, it's just people reading in between the lines and trying to insinuate.

If he was trying to push Kobe for the playoffs, he would have said that the only thing that matters is the 6 titles. To say a person is already at a place that he's trying to be isn't going to push them.
 7 years ago '07        #30
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 joe pesci said:
Here we go again!!! Counter thread!!!!





Dead: At stern admitting mvps are full of sh*t and that people who use them in the argument have no validation


Actually fu*k both kobe is better not the same


better ball handler


better denfender

better mid range

better passer

better scorer

better range

better three point shooter

more natural talent

more skills

whhhoooaaa!!! Wtf are you smoking!!!???

everything except plaming the ball and posting up on inferior undersized unathletic players kobe excells in. And your a fu*king c*ckless moron with bad hygeine if u dont agree

and fu*k all u n*ggas under 27 talking bout kobe stans didnt see mj play u dumb bi*ches u didnt see mj play. Im old as the bullys moms genital warts and i saw him since his rookie season every game he played damn near and its not even close.kobe makes that n*gga look like a rought draft or pre rough draft even. The eras they played in are laughable in comparison. 80s ball was a free jumpshooting nonathletic exhibition i love that thread big dee posted showing how pathetic defense was back then. Another truth jab thrown in the hate filled media brainwashed c*ck tasting mj drone nation


eat a d!ck up but dont hiccup f*ggits





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whhhoooaaa!!! Wtf are you smoking!!!???
 7 years ago '07        #31
jhj26 51 heat pts51
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it's simple...look at jordan's competition compared to kobe's competition....

jordan had to go up against the likes of : larry bird, magic johnson, charles barkley, dominique wilkins, clyde drexler, john starks, patrick ewing, hakeem olajawon, john stockton, karl malone, danny ainge, etc....

kobe's competition is....................chris paul


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 7 years ago '07        #32
jhj26 51 heat pts51
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 7 years ago '04        #33
GollyI'mGully 69 heat pts69
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you know mj fans are scared when they have to print up an essay about why he is better
 7 years ago '07        #34
r.burgundy 16 heat pts16
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didnt kno kobe only had 2 scorin titles
 7 years ago '06        #35
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 VCMJ1523 said:
aight let's end this s**t once and for all cause yall make me sick with ur lack of knowledge about the game the s**t ain't even debateable.First off kobe just finished his 14th season..everything jordan did was 13 with the bulls and in 2 he only played 17 and 18 games and not eligible for any awards so really played 11..now let's break the s**t down....


jordan 6 rings / kobe 5 rings (6-0 vs 5-2)

jordan 6 finals mvps / kobe 2 finals mvps

jordan 5 mvps / kobe 1 mvp (jordan could have won every year..kobe's belongs to chris paul)

jordan 10 scoring titles / kobe 2 scoring titles

jordan 1 dpoy / kobe 0 dpoy

jordan league lead in steals 3 times / kobe never has

jordan rookie of the year / kobe nope

10 all nba first teams / kobe 8 time all nba first teams

9 all defensive first teams / kobe 8 time all defensive first team (and don't even get me started on this)


pause here..this is pretty much all awards possible that have any meaning and he does not have 1....not 1 f**kin thing more then jordan and is only tied in one (defensive teams) which he doesn't deserve half lol..now let's move on to the statline....


jordan with the bulls...31.5 ppg,6.3 rpg,5.4 apg,2.5 spg,0.9 bpg,.51% fg%,33% 3pt%


kobe with the lakers....25.3 ppg,5.3 rpg,4.7 apg,1.5 spg,0.6 bpg,46% fg%,34% 3pt%


once again kids wtf yall smoking?Crushes him in everything except 3pt% which he's 1% behind.Let's move to the playoffs....


jordan playoff numbers..33.4 ppg,6.4 rpg,5.7 apg,2.1 spg,0.9 bpg,49% fg%,33% 3pt%


kobe playoff numbers....25.5 ppg,5.2 rpg,4.8 apg,1.4 spg,0.7 bpg,45% fg%,34% 3pt%


yet again way better in everything except 3pt which is 1% difference.Also kobe has played 19 more playoff games and jordan has 900+ points,100+ rebounds,about 70 more a.ssists,about 100 more steals,and about 20 more blocks .Let's roll on to the finals


jordan 6-0 6 finals mvps...33.6 ppg,6.0 rpg,6.0 apg,1.8 spg,0.7 bpg,48% fg%,37% 3pt%


kobe 4-2 2 finals mvps......24.9 ppg,5.8 rpg,5.2 apg,1.6 spg,0.9 bpg,41% fg%,32% 3pt%


and another one


Let's break down their game...


scoring - jordan

mid range game - close..prob even

long range - kobe

driving - jordan

rebounding - jordan

passing - jordan

on ball defender - jordan

help defender - jordan

steals - jordan

blocking - jordan

clutch - jordan (have almost same amount of game winners and kobe has way more misses..clutch isn't just buzzer beaters it's puttin the team on ur back in the 4th in clutch situations...not gettin blownout by 37 points in the finals and losing a big lead at home in the finals)


how about their 60 point games?


Jordan’s 60pt+ games came against the 1st, 2nd, 5th, 10th & 12th ranked defenses. Against teams that averaged 52 wins, 30 losses


Kobe's 60pt+ games came against the 11th, 23rd, 26th, 29th & 30th ranked defenses. And those 5 teams had an average record of 35-47


how about records..go to nba.com and see how many kobe got on there .It's wilt,then jordan,then the rest scattered around when it comes to record held in the nba.Jordan holds about 50+ nba records...what kobe got like 3-4?


tired of typin..
good sh*t, u threw all that back at that "wimpgit"(nerdiest fu*kin diss i've ever heard)
 04-30-2011, 10:01 AM         #36
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he's my fav player and i'm going tell you, HE CERTAINLY NOT BETTER, but he's Jordan of this era
 7 years ago '07        #37
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 jhj26 said:
it's simple...look at jordan's competition compared to kobe's competition....

jordan had to go up against the likes of : larry bird, magic johnson, charles barkley, dominique wilkins, clyde drexler, john starks, patrick ewing, hakeem olajawon, john stockton, karl malone, danny ainge, etc....

kobe's competition is....................chris paul

Usually I'm not the type to tell someone to GTFO of a discussion, but if you can really only name Chris Paul as Kobe's competition, then you seriously need to go off yourself.

How you gonna sh*t on every star player in the NBA right now as well as all the ones he went through in 14 seasons? Is Michael's d!ck so deep down your throat that its touching your intestines right now and all you can sh*t out is Michael love?


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 7 years ago '06        #38
youngskits718 2 heat pts
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 sonof504 said:
Kobe won the MVP award when Chris Paul obviously deserved it.

fu*k the NBA.
Shut the fu*k up bi*ch
 7 years ago '04        #39
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 youngskits718 said:
Shut the fu*k up bi*ch
He's gotta point though. New Orleans wouldn't of made the Playoffs that year without Paul. Lakers would've made the playoffs every year without Kobe. Besides those years he was by himself.
 7 years ago '08        #40
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 JOE PESCI said:
if i was insecure i wouldnt provide facts and pure example id just state my opinion u idiot. i provided all facts from a skills talent perceptive yet you repl\ied to none u talked about how insecure i was typical. if i was so insecure i wouldnt be so sure of myself like i said i duck my head in between my legs and pray for rain like u instead of scientifically dissecting the game.
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Keep breathing life into Boxden bruh. Real n*ggas appreciate it!
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