Does Jay Z Have A Classic Meaningful Single?

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 04-30-2011, 12:02 AM         #21
Kal Tourette 
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 deadwrong03 said:
All of the real legends have their meaningful classic songs but i cant think of one for jay z

2pac had several ....Dear Mamma, Shed So Many Tears, Keep Ya Head Up

Biggie had Juicy, Skys The Limit (didnt have many his career wasnt as long)

Nas has The World Is Yours, Nas Is Like, If I Ruled The World...

Eminem has Stan, Sing For The Moment, Like Toy Soldiers, Lose Yourself...

hell jadakiss even has Why

is it just me or is jay z severely lacking in this department?
I'm not a fan of Jay z, but ... lost ones, hard knock life, um...
 04-30-2011, 12:04 AM         #22
Slickems 
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 Kal Tourette said:
I'm not a fan of Jay z, but ... lost ones, hard knock life, um...
Lost Ones is not a hip hop classic like Juicy or Dear Mama, stop it slime

And Hard Knock Life is only meaningful for the sample
 7 years ago '08        #23
lifetimez 
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 Slickems said:
@ n*ggas naming album joints when TS clearly said singles

I agree with TS, even though I ain't a camel hater.

Dear Momma is one of Pacs signature songs

If I Ruled the World is one of Nas signature songs

Juicy is one of Bigs signature songs


"Lost Ones" or "Song Cry" aint in the top 20 of Jays signature songs

Hard Knock Life is a hip hop classic, but as far as meaningful it ain't no where on the level of those ones we listed for the others

So good observation TS
So he makes a vague as fu*k request such as "meaningful", then when presented with the SINGLES that fit the bill, ya'll move the goalposts to "not signature"?

Sine you, and the TS, made up their minds to what songs they would accept, there's really no point of listing any...since you can simply shift the criteria to suit your argument.

If this ain't the most ridiculous way to hate on the dude.
 7 years ago '08        #24
Andre3stacks 20 heat pts20
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I get where the threadstarter is coming from. Nas top 20 meaningful songs>Jay-Zs. he dosn't have songs with much meaning in them. Song Cry, Meet the Parents, and some others have been good but not like a I Ruled the World, One Mic, sh*t I can mention half of Nas discography. and when u mention singles Jay prob has like one or 2
 04-30-2011, 12:09 AM         #25
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 lifetimez said:
So he makes a vague as fu*k request such as "meaningful", then when presented with the SINGLES that fit the bill, ya'll move the goalposts to "not signature"?

Sine you, and the TS, made up their minds to what songs they would accept, there's really no point of listing any...since you can simply shift the criteria to suit your argument.

If this ain't the most ridiculous way to hate on the dude.

The criterea wasn't "single"

It was "classic single"

So when I said "signature song," I was obviously staying within the original criteria

Nice try, though. :wave:
 7 years ago '04        #26
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Money, Cash, Hoes
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 7 years ago '04        #27
deadwrong03 89 heat pts89 OP
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 BrodyMACaroni said:
my bad











hows that


Dirt Off Your Shoulders....seriously?

none of those songs are meaningful they are your typical jay z drug tales/club songs except for 99 problems and that doesnt touch lose yourself, shed so many tears or none of that i mean but if thats what your willing to put up for classic meaningful songs then i guess you're proving my point


jay isnt big on putting out meaningful singles hes built off the same formula for club songs as a single hes not willing enough to take chances with a Shed So Many Tears, hes a shallow artist.

Common, Nas, 2pac, Eminem take more chances with their music and express themselves more creatively and thoughtfully than jay z ever did in his 20 plus year career
 7 years ago '04        #28
deadwrong03 89 heat pts89 OP
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 BrodyMACaroni said:
be real

you didnt even know the first three had videos huh?

im aware of the videos for reasonable doubt, fact is facts, none of those rank legendary status like the songs i listed in the first post, and none of them were big songs the whole reasonable doubt album was slept on when it came out those songs werent chart toppers and u know it that album isnt even built for this discussion
 04-30-2011, 12:13 AM         #29
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One of these four do not belong:

1. Juicy
2. Keep Ya Head Up
3. One Mic
4. Lost Ones

anyone wanna guess which one it is?
 7 years ago '08        #30
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 Fen said:

and as much as i love Em and Kiss, hard knock life is better than all them singles u named

P.S how is lose yourself meaningful? he hardly talked about anything except wanting to be take a chance in this rap sh*t
Keep it real tho dun. Little Annie made that song B. If it wasn't for her he wouldn't make that a single.
 7 years ago '08        #31
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 Andre3stacks said:
I get where the threadstarter is coming from. Nas top 20 meaningful songs>Jay-Zs. he dosn't have songs with much meaning in them. Song Cry, Meet the Parents, and some others have been good but not like a I Ruled the World, One Mic, sh*t I can mention half of Nas discography. and when u mention singles Jay prob has like one or 2
If One Mic is an example of a meaningful, Jay has a lot more (with more "meaning") than that.

 04-30-2011, 12:15 AM         #32
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um, empire state of mind anybody?
 04-30-2011, 12:16 AM         #33
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 Andre3stacks said:
Keep it real tho dun. Little Annie made that song B. If it wasn't for her he wouldn't make that a single.
Exactly. A third of the song is about flossing, and another third is about how his first two albums were slept-on. Only a small part of the song is about actually surviving the struggle. The "meaning" is all in the hook and beat.
 04-30-2011, 12:18 AM         #34
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 billieskeet said:
um, empire state of mind anybody?
How the fu*k is that piece of sh*t song on the same level as Brendas Got a Baby???
 04-30-2011, 12:18 AM         #35
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 7 years ago '04        #36
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wait, TS said jadakiss had "why" but jay-z doesn't have a song on that level?
 04-30-2011, 12:19 AM         #37
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Now we're comparing songs?

First it was "meaningful"

Then it was "chart topping"

Then it was "classic"

Now its "its not better than dear mama"

Come on bx... get it together
 04-30-2011, 12:23 AM         #38
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 MY_name said:
Now we're comparing songs?

First it was "meaningful"

Then it was "classic"

Now its "its not better than dear mama"

Come on bx... get it together

No, it was always meaningful classic, read the thread title.

And no one said it had to be BETTER than Dear Mama, but we are obviously using that (like a few others) as a point of comparison to illustrate an example of a meaningful classic single. So it should be in the same league as that song. :wave:
 7 years ago '04        #39
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Meaningful can be a song poetical song like Shed So Many Tears, or a song with a message like Nas Black Girl Lost (not a single tho) ....nas, talib kweli, common, and 2pac are examples of mcs that make songs like this....meaningful can also be a creative way of making a song or telling a story...even tho these songs arent singles a song like Nas Rewind, or Eminem's Kim.. or like Biggies approach to rapping a story and then telling the story in his words on I Gotta Story To Tell ...

Jay aint built for meaningful music as his singles he follows the formula of club singles hes scared to take risks in his 20 year career
 04-30-2011, 12:26 AM         #40
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