Stan Van Gundy: The media has already decided that Rose is MVP

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 7 years ago '05        #61
kaseemromani 41 heat pts41
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man boxden sportscenter has some of the most idiotic sports fans that claim to be knowledgeable
 7 years ago '05        #62
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 ChiCity Fingaz said:
What's the Bulls record again?

Alright then.
Whats the Spurs record? Well I guess Tony Parker is MVP
 03-24-2011, 07:12 PM         #63
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dwight should b--- would set a new standard for mvp--- that they have to do more than score and be on the best rec team wit least allstars..
 7 years ago '04        #64
cali22buck 1 heat pts
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If the MVP is judged by overall game and impact D12 or Kobe are clearly the top 2...
 7 years ago '05        #65
rawchester 16 heat pts16
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 Chief Dee said:
There was no pressure for Orlando, being a Magic will never compare to being a Bull in Jordan's shadow. There's nothing iconic about the Magic. Plus the Bulls were 8th last season and were involved in the Lebron hooplah. Orlando was never involved in the whole Lebron decision saga so there was less pressure this offseason on the Magic. The Bulls on the otherhand were on the clock, and I remember the night LBJ went to Miami. Once Lebron went to Miami, the entire city turned to Rose and chose him as "the ONE". Imagine the pressure for him. He was under more pressure this season than Dwight could imagine.

You're an idiot!! Atleast hold that has some solid points when he debates. The bulls didn't have any pressure coming in.. and D rose didn't have any more pressure to perform then any other #1 pick. f**k outta here.
 7 years ago '05        #66
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 7 years ago '04        #67
knowughetto 9 heat pts
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 FlippiN Oz's said:
It's true the Bulls have had to deal with injuries, but they've had either Boozer or Noah (who is easily better than anybody Dwight gets to play with) for the majority of the season. Not to mention Luol Deng, who is also better than any of Dwight's supporting cast.

Most intelligent NBA fans will tell you that Bulls team wins game because of their defense, and it shows in advanced stats when Rose doesn't even lead his OWN TEAM in winshares/48, Noah does. All Rose really has going for him is his scoring average to go along with his 7-8 dimes, but all his advanced stats say he's far from a true MVP candidate.

But unfortunately for real NBA fans who really know the game, the Media doesn't know nothing about that and just look at the who has the best story, on some cinderella s**t. MVP voting, along with mostly any other award is a joke.
By your illogical thinking, Noah should be MVP then... You have no knowledge of basketball. And you are not a real NBA fan who really knows the game. Based on everything that you are saying here, you only focus on stats...
 7 years ago '05        #68
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honestly, they should just change the name of the MVP trophy to top 15 player with largest team improvement this year award
 7 years ago '04        #69
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 FlippiN Oz's said:
@ Rose being apart of a great defense..

Stats show the Bulls are better defensively when he's out of the game.

Like I said, Rose is having a great year and he's a great player, but his stats are far from being a top 5 MVP candidate. All he has going for him is his team's record, and the majority of that is due to coaching and defense.
Kevin Love is averaging 20 ppg, 15 rpg, .40%+ behind the arch and 80%+ behind the free throw line...So he should be MVP according to you..Cause MVP is all about stats..
 7 years ago '06        #70
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 rawchester said:
honestly, they should just change the name of the MVP trophy to top 15 player with largest team improvement this year award
Don't MVPs improve their team & teammates?

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 knowughetto said:
By your illogical thinking, Noah should be MVP then... You have no knowledge of basketball. And you are not a real NBA fan who really knows the game. Based on everything that you are saying here, you only focus on stats...
, it isn't about saying Noah should be MVP, it's to show that Rose isn't as valuable as many make him out to be. He's basically just a high volume scorer, he's not as versatile or valuable as other true MVP contenders.

More focus should go on coaching, defense, and their supporting cast.
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 knowughetto said:
Kevin Love is averaging 20 ppg, 15 rpg, .40%+ behind the arch and 80%+ behind the free throw line...So he should be MVP according to you..Cause MVP is all about stats..
No it's because Kevin Love doesn't have the coaching and supporting cast Rose has. He's playing with a bunch of youngsters and scrubs.
 7 years ago '05        #73
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 01seay said:
Don't MVPs improve their team & teammates?

so give the award to carmelo because when he came out in his rookie season HEEE improved the nuggets by 26 games...

thats my point precisely. a team gets more wins and they immediately a.ssume its the doing of one individual
 7 years ago '04        #74
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 FlippiN Oz's said:
, it isn't about saying Noah should be MVP, it's to show that Rose isn't as valuable as many make him out to be. He's basically just a high volume scorer, he's not as versatile or valuable as other true MVP contenders.

More focus should go on coaching, defense, and their supporting cast.
Your still using that win share stat, along with his individual stats to say why Rose shouldn't be MVP...And its still an illogical reason..
 7 years ago '06        #75
01seay 84 heat pts84
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 rawchester said:
so give the award to carmelo because when he came out in his rookie season HEEE improved the nuggets by 26 games...

thats my point precisely. a team gets more wins and they immediately a.ssume its the doing of one individual
Didn't he take a 1st round exist to the real MVP....as an 8th seed.




...and it's just not improving the record but the actual improvement of teammates and the need for him to be in the game to make a difference.


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 7 years ago '04        #76
knowughetto 9 heat pts
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 FlippiN Oz's said:
No it's because Kevin Love doesn't have the coaching and supporting cast Rose has. He's playing with a bunch of youngsters and scrubs.
But you were talking about stats..About how Rose's stats aren't good enough to make him be a top 5 candidate..Did you not say this?:

 FlippiN Oz's said:
Like I said, Rose is having a great year and he's a great player, but his stats are far from being a top 5 MVP candidate.
Like I said before, your pretty much saying that MVP is based on stats..You never said anything about playing with scrubs, or other all-stars...You were talking about a player's individual stats..And that's why I brought up Kevin Love..Becasue Kevin Love has great stats...But he's nowhere near top 10 in MVP voting..
 7 years ago '05        #77
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 knowughetto said:
Your still using that win share stat, along with his individual stats to say why Rose shouldn't be MVP...And its still an illogical reason..
how is it illogical?
 7 years ago '05        #78
rawchester 16 heat pts16
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the fact of the matter is that everyone thinks Rose is carrying this team on his back, which is the furthest thing from the truth. Yes they stayed afloat thru some key injuries but lets stop discrediting the rest of the bulls unit.They have the best defensive team (which he obviously plays a role in) but Deng is a proven atleast 17ppg scorer and a legitimate threat at the SF, Boozer is a 20 and 10 guy, there aren't too many centres in teh league that any GM would take over Noah. they have the guy that set the NBA record for 3pt fg% in a season. They have a head coach who was the catalyst behind the stingy championship celtic defense in 08


in all honesty i think its a testament to thobs more than anything.. Rose is having a great season, dont get me wrong. But it's nothing we havent seen b4
 7 years ago '04        #79
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 FlippiN Oz's said:
how is it illogical?
You said that Noah's winshare is better than Rose's...So you're saying that Noah is better than Rose and he should win MVP..I remember reading Hollinger's bulls**t articles about how Rose shouldn't win MVP becasue of winshares and PER...But he's just like everyone else, who doesn't take the time to actually watch the game to see how these players get their points, get their teammates involved, and help them win...


Let me ask you this question, since you seem to be in love with talking bout stats..

Kevin love is averaging 20 points,15 rebounds,40% behind 3 point land and 80% free throws

Aldridge is averaging 22 points, 8 rebounds, and 1 block per game...

Who's better to you?

Don't use the excuse about teammates..I'm talking about these 2 individually
 7 years ago '04        #80
Kush Charasi 25 heat pts25
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Dwight Howard is NOT the MVP this year. Here's why:

Dwight alone wasn't capable enough to get them the championship ring. Therefore, management was forced to make a couple trades in order to help Dwight shine more, in result will show up with more W's in the win column. However, since Dwight has only positioned themselves as 4th in the East, it in no way puts him atop Rose's impact to his respective team AND the NBA.

By looking at the box score, you might say Dwight puts in more work, however, the moves they made for him was to put the Orlando Magic as the #1 team in the East. In contrast, Bulls management made NO moves this year at the deadline, simply because of the talent of Derrick Rose. Simply put, Orlando had to make moves to be #1, and Bulls didn't have to make any, and yet who's #1? There's your answer.

EDIT: If you say our squad's role players are better than Magic's, then I will tell u that D-Rose was k!llin your favorite team even w/o Noah & Boozer.




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