Stan Van Gundy: The media has already decided that Rose is MVP

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 7 years ago '08        #41
Dee Grande 1269 heat pts1269 OP
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 Dee Grande said:
rose gets props (and excused) for playing games without mighty boozer/noah, yet they get treated like chopped liver once they come back and the bulls turn the corner cant have it both ways

especially since the strength of rose's campaign seems to correlate with the health of these guys

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 7 years ago '07        #42
Cambury 39 heat pts39
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 KSoraci7 said:
Who cares, only Finals MVP really matters.
n*ggas is too simpleminded to appreciate this mindset.
 7 years ago '07        #43
Cambury 39 heat pts39
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I think Kobe, Dwight and Derrick are the only candidates for MVP. Thibs is coach of the year. Wade and Dwight DPOY frontrunners.
 7 years ago '05        #44
2 Pistolz 13 heat pts13
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 KSoraci7 said:
Who cares, only Finals MVP really matters.
/thread

Sorry LeBron.... I've grown to love you.... but fact.
 7 years ago '05        #45
rawchester 14 heat pts14
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man.. everybpdy saying that the record is the reason behind Rose's MVP push must acknowledge the fact that the Mavs have had a better record all year long (until recently) then the Bulls. Dirk wasnt even sniffing the top 5 MVP candidates.. dirk went down and his team went something like 2-7.. So miss me with all that stuff. if we look at shear bias... there is definitely a bias towards D rose.

the league loves to put a new guy in that MVP spot. FACTT
 7 years ago '08        #46
Chief Dee 6 heat pts
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 Jaysin_305 said:
dwight should get the mvp he puts in more work , derrick is great but he has boozer and noah


and people/media where saying rose's shot is getting better he can shoot the 3 now he should contend for mvp next sesason they were calling it before the season started stan is 10000 percent right
The Bulls have only had Boozer and Noah healthy for 20 games this year. Rose hasnt really had Boozer and Noah for most of this season. Rose is succeeding with more pressure than Dwight Howard, if you compare their situations. Derrick Rose is a 22 year old kid who had to step up after the Bulls didnt get Lebron or Wade. Do you realize how much weight fell on him that night Lebron went to Miami? More weight than what's on Dwight. Just the fact that Rose carried the Bulls this season to a better record than Miami despite them getting Lebron, Wade, or Bosh is an accomplishment. Dwight couldnt hold that weight, his squad is behind both MIA and CHI.
 7 years ago '05        #47
rawchester 14 heat pts14
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 Chief Dee said:
The Bulls have only had Boozer and Noah healthy for 20 games this year. Rose hasnt really had Boozer and Noah for most of this season. Rose is succeeding with more pressure than Dwight Howard, if you compare their situations. Derrick Rose is a 22 year old kid who had to step up after the Bulls didnt get Lebron or Wade. Do you realize how much weight fell on him that night Lebron went to Miami? More weight than what's on Dwight. Just the fact that Rose carried the Bulls this season to a better record than Miami despite them getting Lebron, Wade, or Bosh is an accomplishment. Dwight couldnt hold that weight, his squad is behind both MIA and CHI.
pressure?? n*gga the bulls didnt' have any pressure to succeed. thats why everyone is up in arms to give him MVP.. because they are EXCEEDING expectations, which is a valid reason to have him as one of the top candidates. The Magic and specifically, Dwight Howard, have had the real pressure of trying to get back to the finals once they got their against the Lakers. Add to the fact that the magic's 2nd leading scorer is avg 14 ppg. and Stan is right, D12, influences and impacts many more plays than Rose. So lets not talk about pressure to succeed....

After this years playoffs, depending on what the bulls do.. NEXT YEAR. they will have tremendous pressure to follow what they've been doing this year and we've seen how that has played out b4.. think back to CP3 when Kobe won MVP.. remember their expectations?? yeaaaaaaaaaa
 7 years ago '05        #48
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^Magic dont have pressure.. The only true pressure anyone had in the East is Miami and Boston.. Magic weren't expected to return to the finals, and still aren't expected.. They are doing what everyone thought they would do, be a top 4 team. Not better than Miami or Boston.. "POSSIBLY" better than Chicago but everyone thought Chicago would be on the Magic level.. But like you said we surpassed that.. And it's not the fact that we surpassed that is the biggest achievement, it's surpassing it even though we endured injuries.

ROSE giant leap to elite status is the main factor and Dengs ability to stay healthy this year is the other key factor.. 3rd being Thibs and turning this team into a defensive juggernaut.. And I'm talking historic propertions in the modern hand check era..There's an article saying that the Bulls statistically have been the best defensive team in the modern hand check era.. Statistically.. And I believe that to..I think we are a better defensive unit than the 08 Celtics, our second unit is the main reason for that...


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 7 years ago '04        #49
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 Hold That said:
^Magic dont have pressure.. The only true pressure anyone had in the East is Miami and Boston.. Magic weren't expected to return to the finals, and still aren't expected.. They are doing what everyone thought they would do, be a top 4 team. Not better than Miami or Boston.. "POSSIBLY" better than Chicago but everyone thought Chicago would be on the Magic level.. But like you said we surpassed that.. And it's not the fact that we surpassed that is the biggest achievement, it's surpassing it even though we endured injuries.

ROSE giant leap to elite status is the main factor and Dengs ability to stay healthy this year is the other key factor.. 3rd being Thibs and turning this team into a defensive juggernaut.. And I'm talking historic propertions in the modern hand check era..There's an article saying that the Bulls statistically have been the best defensive team in the modern hand check era.. Statistically.. And I believe that to..I think we are a better defensive unit than the 08 Celtics, our second unit is the main reason for that...
Hold That dropping more science....
 7 years ago '08        #50
Chief Dee 6 heat pts
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There was no pressure for Orlando, being a Magic will never compare to being a Bull in Jordan's shadow. There's nothing iconic about the Magic. Plus the Bulls were 8th last season and were involved in the Lebron hooplah. Orlando was never involved in the whole Lebron decision saga so there was less pressure this offseason on the Magic. The Bulls on the otherhand were on the clock, and I remember the night LBJ went to Miami. Once Lebron went to Miami, the entire city turned to Rose and chose him as "the ONE". Imagine the pressure for him. He was under more pressure this season than Dwight could imagine.
 7 years ago '05        #51
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It's basically just like Iverson winning the MVP in '01 (not saying Iverson wasn't a great player, he was..), he had a great year and the media was on him that year, but really the MVP should've went to Duncan or Shaq.

Anyways, Dwight Howard >> NBA

My n*gga been the most valuable player in the NBA the passed 3 seasons.


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 7 years ago '04        #52
knowughetto 9 heat pts
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 Chief Dee said:
There was no pressure for Orlando, being a Magic will never compare to being a Bull in Jordan's shadow. There's nothing iconic about the Magic. Plus the Bulls were 8th last season and were involved in the Lebron hooplah. Orlando was never involved in the whole Lebron decision saga so there was less pressure this offseason on the Magic. The Bulls on the otherhand were on the clock, and I remember the night LBJ went to Miami. Once Lebron went to Miami, the entire city turned to Rose and chose him as "the ONE". Imagine the pressure for him. He was under more pressure this season than Dwight could imagine.
Chief Dee contributes in dropping nothing but science....
 7 years ago '05        #53
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It's true the Bulls have had to deal with injuries, but they've had either Boozer or Noah (who is easily better than anybody Dwight gets to play with) for the majority of the season. Not to mention Luol Deng, who is also better than any of Dwight's supporting cast.

Most intelligent NBA fans will tell you that Bulls team wins game because of their defense, and it shows in advanced stats when Rose doesn't even lead his OWN TEAM in winshares/48, Noah does. All Rose really has going for him is his scoring average to go along with his 7-8 dimes, but all his advanced stats say he's far from a true MVP candidate.

But unfortunately for real NBA fans who really know the game, the Media doesn't know nothing about that and just look at the who has the best story, on some cinderella s**t. MVP voting, along with mostly any other award is a joke.
 7 years ago '08        #54
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 FlippiN Oz's said:
It's true the Bulls have had to deal with injuries, but they've had either Boozer or Noah (who is easily better than anybody Dwight gets to play with) for the majority of the season. Not to mention Luol Deng, who is also better than any of Dwight's supporting cast.

Most intelligent NBA fans will tell you that Bulls team wins game because of their defense, and it shows in advanced stats when Rose doesn't even lead his OWN TEAM in winshares/48, Noah does. All Rose really has going for him is his scoring average to go along with his 7-8 dimes, but all his advanced stats say he's far from a true MVP candidate.

But unfortunately for real NBA fans who really know the game, the Media doesn't know nothing about that and just look at the who has the best story, on some cinderella s**t. MVP voting, along with mostly any other award is a joke.
MVP is more than just stats, and DRose is a part of our great defense. And lol @ those stupid a.ss stats like win/shares. Try watching the team play stat geek.
 7 years ago '05        #55
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@ Rose being apart of a great defense..

Stats show the Bulls are better defensively when he's out of the game.

Like I said, Rose is having a great year and he's a great player, but his stats are far from being a top 5 MVP candidate. All he has going for him is his team's record, and the majority of that is due to coaching and defense.
 7 years ago '05        #56
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The media acts like Dwight Howard's team is sub/@.500 on some '05,'06 Kobe Bryant type s**t, when his team is in fact 21 games OVER .500, and only what? 2 games back of the Miami Heat who have 3 All-NBA'ers, while the Magic have Dwight Howard and an average cast? Like I said, MVP voting is a joke.
 7 years ago '08        #57
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 FlippiN Oz's said:
@ Rose being apart of a great defense..

Stats show the Bulls are better defensively when he's out of the game.

Like I said, Rose is having a great year and he's a great player, but his stats are far from being a top 5 MVP candidate. All he has going for him is his team's record, and the majority of that is due to coaching and defense.
Rose plays 38 minutes, and guess what, when he's off the floor, our opponent usually has their 2nd unit in. Watch the game not stats genius.

Lol @ you thinking we only lock teams down the 10 minutes Rose is on the bench.
 7 years ago '05        #58
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I'm responding to the guy who said Rose is "apart" of the Bulls defense, when actually he has nothing to do with it

I'm not here to hate on Rose, I said he's a great player and definately a top 7-10 player, i'm just saying he's not the legitimate MVP. I think he's overrated due to where people thought Rose/The Bulls were going to be before the season started, and that he's the "new kid on the block" as far as percieved elite players are concerned. Sorta like how everyone jumped on the Durant bandwagon last year.
 7 years ago '08        #59
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 FlippiN Oz's said:
I'm responding to the guy who said Rose is "apart" of the Bulls defense, when actually he has nothing to do with it

I'm not here to hate on Rose, I said he's a great player and definately a top 7-10 player, i'm just saying he's not the legitimate MVP. I think he's overrated due to where people thought Rose/The Bulls were going to be before the season started, and that he's the "new kid on the block" as far as percieved elite players are concerned. Sorta like how everyone jumped on the Durant bandwagon last year.
So you saying the 38 minutes Rose is on the floor the Bulls are playing D 4 on 5. k!ll yourself clown.
 7 years ago '05        #60
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Bulls without Rose are still a playoff team, without Dwight the Magic are a lottery team.
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