Optimus Crime said:
These are compelling arguments, but there are a few factors that can be taken into account either way. I'm not saying that Bones is impossible to beat. I'm also taking NOTHING from Mr. Wonderful. I've stated that I'm a fan and I see him doing great things. I'm talking from the Bones fan perspective, because a lot of the people "looking" for someone that they can get behind to beat JBJ were the same people writing him off against Shogun, Bader, etc. And it's unilateral thinking behind who can beat who
Plus I can only recall Phil Davis winning one BJJ tournament. The No Gi in 2009. Not various, and Shogun won South America and he doesn't even like competing in BJJ tournaments lol. And while Phil Davis is strong, that is something that aids in wrestling ability, not in BJJ. The whole premise of BJJ is that size doesn't matter when it comes to skill.
People are saying give Phil Davis time and he'll be ready, like Jon Jones isn't going to get exponentially better in the time it takes Mr. Wonderful to get ready. Jon Jones is 23, Phil Davis is 26. Bones is probably 5 years away from his prime and he's looking SCARY good.
You're also right about "paper" ranks. But then again, you forgot some other people with excellent awareness. With No BJJ Training. Sean Sherk GIVES his neck up so because he knows people can't guillotine him. Same thing with Jon Fitch. Rashad Evans has never been subbed. Rampage has fought almost 40 f!ghts, and been subbed once. I'm pretty sure Greg Jackson is drilling sub defense to JBJ, as most of his f!ghters don't really get subbed that often. So on the other side of the coin. While JBJ is a whitebelt, you can be a white belt with unparalleled sub defense.
well, i'm not really looking for someone to be able to beat Bones...i just responded to someone else's post that Davis and Bones will be a good f!ght in the future...
i guarantee that if he won the world no gi champs, then he most definitely won some smaller tournaments prior...not everything gets listed online...my point is that he is more than likely skilled beyond his blue belt level...i mentioned that Davis is larger/stronger than Shogun/Vera, that will aid in his ability to maneuver his hips...there is a reason that they have weight classes in these BJJ tournies (in addition to open weight class), size and strength do influence BJJ matches...weight classes make it more about just skill...a 225 lb Bones on top of the smaller Shogun/Vera is an advantage he won't have when on top of the equally sized Davis...
i'm not sure what you mean by 'no BJJ training'...Hughes may not have a belt in BJJ, but he does train BJJ...so does Sherk, he claims he purposely puts himself in guillotines in training to be better at defending them during f!ghts...Fitch trains under Dave Camarillo so he definitely works his BJJ very hard...and we know why people don't sub Rampage..
i don't think Davis will just straight submit Bones easliy, but I think a dangerous guard will slow down that nasty ground n pound...and possibly make the f!ght a little more interesting...you and I are on the same page about Davis and Bones imo...