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 02-09-2011, 05:02 AM         #21
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 MPLSallstar said:
How is this even a fair argument to both players?

If you compare Kobe vs Jordan in their first 7 seasons, you have:

Championships
Jordan - O
Kobe - 3

You can argue that Jordan didn't have Shaq, and "Kobe played second fiddle." But that same argument implies Kobe's numbers are deflated because he was not the star of his team, and bench player (f**k you Del Harris).

Aka, this means nothing. Because their situations were different and you cannot compare them in a fair manner for either party. If you don't think the 3 titles early in his career had any value, I guess you'll be singing the same tune when he finishes with more rings.

lol at the excuses!
 7 years ago '08        #22
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 The Bully said:
as much as i hate to do it, i gotta give kobe his props. with all of his accomplishments and accolades, he's probably the GOAT:(


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 7 years ago '10        #23
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 MPLSallstar said:
How is this even a fair argument to both players?

If you compare Kobe vs Jordan in their first 7 seasons, you have:

Championships
Jordan - O
Kobe - 3


You can argue that Jordan didn't have Shaq, and "Kobe played second fiddle." But that same argument implies Kobe's numbers are deflated because he was not the star of his team, and bench player (f**k you Del Harris).

Aka, this means nothing. Because their situations were different and you cannot compare them in a fair manner for either party. If you don't think the 3 titles early in his career had any value, I guess you'll be singing the same tune when he finishes with more rings.
? How is it not fair though? You can clearly see throughout 1072/(3) games Kobe has 5 Chips & MJ has 6 Chips. At least I think that's what you're talking about right? Through 1072 games? & Kobe did play second fiddle to Shaq, because we all saw what happened when he wanted to be the man & try to win by himself when Shaq was still on the team....


Off-Topic:

I have a question, how can you be considered for talks as the GOAT or being better than the current GOAT if you weren't even the best in your era?


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 7 years ago '10        #24
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But kobe started on the bench as a high school kid for his first 2 seasons anyway
 02-09-2011, 06:48 AM         #25
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Michael Jordan

CAREER SEASON AVERAGES
Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
1984-85 Chicago 82 82 38.3 .515 .173 .845 2.0 4.5 6.5 5.9 2.4 0.8 3.55 3.50 28.2
1985-86 Chicago 18 7 25.1 .457 .167 .840 1.3 2.3 3.6 2.9 2.1 1.2 2.50 2.60 22.7
1986-87 Chicago 82 82 40.0 .482 .182 .857 2.0 3.2 5.2 4.6 2.9 1.5 3.32 2.90 37.1
1987-88 Chicago 82 82 40.4 .535 .132 .841 1.7 3.8 5.5 5.9 3.2 1.6 3.07 3.30 35.0
1988-89 Chicago 81 81 40.2 .538 .276 .850 1.8 6.2 8.0 8.0 2.9 0.8 3.58 3.00 32.5
1989-90 Chicago 82 82 39.0 .526 .376 .848 1.7 5.1 6.9 6.3 2.8 0.7 3.01 2.90 33.6
1990-91 Chicago 82 82 37.0 .539 .312 .851 1.4 4.6 6.0 5.5 2.7 1.0 2.46 2.80 31.5
1991-92 Chicago 80 80 38.8 .519 .270 .832 1.1 5.3 6.4 6.1 2.3 0.9 2.50 2.50 30.1
1992-93 Chicago 78 78 39.3 .495 .352 .837 1.7 5.0 6.7 5.5 2.8 0.8 2.65 2.40 32.6
1994-95 Chicago 17 17 39.3 .411 .500 .801 1.5 5.4 6.9 5.3 1.8 0.8 2.06 2.80 26.9
1995-96 Chicago 82 82 37.7 .495 .427 .834 1.8 4.8 6.6 4.3 2.2 0.5 2.40 2.40 30.4
1996-97 Chicago 82 82 37.9 .486 .374 .833 1.4 4.5 5.9 4.3 1.7 0.5 2.02 1.90 29.6
1997-98 Chicago 82 82 38.8 .465 .238 .784 1.6 4.2 5.8 3.5 1.7 0.6 2.26 1.80 28.7
2001-02 Washington 60 53 34.9 .416 .189 .790 0.8 4.8 5.7 5.2 1.4 0.4 2.70 2.00 22.9
2002-03 Washington 82 67 37.0 .445 .291 .821 0.9 5.2 6.1 3.8 1.5 0.5 2.11 2.10 20.0
Career 1072 1039 38.3 .497 .327 .835 1.6 4.7 6.2 5.3 2.4 0.8 2.73 2.60 30.1
All-Star 13 13 29.4 .472 .273 .750 1.7 3.0 4.7 4.2 2.8 0.5 3.23 2.40 20.2

Kobe Bryant stats
Career Season Averages
Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
96-97 LAL 71 6 15.5 0.417 0.375 0.819 0.7 1.2 1.9 1.3 0.7 0.3 1.58 1.44 7.6
97-98 LAL 79 1 26.0 0.428 0.341 0.794 1.0 2.1 3.1 2.5 0.9 0.5 1.99 2.28 15.4
98-99 LAL 50 50 37.9 0.465 0.267 0.839 1.1 4.2 5.3 3.8 1.4 1.0 3.14 3.06 19.9
99-00 LAL 66 62 38.2 0.468 0.319 0.821 1.6 4.7 6.3 4.9 1.6 0.9 2.76 3.33 22.5
00-01 LAL 68 68 40.9 0.464 0.305 0.853 1.5 4.3 5.9 5.0 1.7 0.6 3.24 3.26 28.5
01-02 LAL 80 80 38.3 0.469 0.250 0.829 1.4 4.1 5.5 5.5 1.5 0.4 2.79 2.85 25.2
02-03 LAL 82 82 41.5 0.451 0.383 0.843 1.3 5.6 6.9 5.9 2.2 0.8 3.51 2.66 30.0
03-04 LAL 65 64 37.6 0.438 0.327 0.852 1.6 3.9 5.5 5.1 1.7 0.4 2.63 2.71 24.0
04-05 LAL 66 66 40.7 0.433 0.339 0.816 1.4 4.5 5.9 6.0 1.3 0.8 4.09 2.64 27.6
05-06 LAL 80 80 41.0 0.450 0.347 0.850 0.9 4.4 5.3 4.5 1.8 0.4 3.13 2.91 35.4
06-07 LAL 77 77 40.8 0.463 0.344 0.868 1.0 4.7 5.7 5.4 1.4 0.5 3.31 2.66 31.6
07-08 LAL 82 82 38.9 0.459 0.361 0.840 1.1 5.2 6.3 5.4 1.8 0.5 3.13 2.77 28.3
08-09 LAL 82 82 36.1 0.467 0.351 0.856 1.1 4.1 5.2 4.9 1.5 0.4 2.56 2.30 26.8
09-10 LAL 73 73 38.8 0.456 0.329 0.811 1.1 4.3 5.4 5.0 1.6 0.3 3.19 2.56 27.0
10-11 LAL 52 52 33.8 0.460 0.315 0.830 1.0 4.2 5.2 5.0 1.2 0.1 2.96 2.10 25.4

You can't compare apples to oranges there is one category that you guys never pay attention to games played and games started they play a significant role in output if you dont start or dont play how can you be compared to someone who starts every game and plays every game except one season... Find a life it is damn impressive what Kobe has done with far less playing time. He is only 4000 points less than MJ total career points with way less games give props people
 7 years ago '04        #26
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 Rockobox said:
oh now these n*ggas wanna talk about what Kobe was "ROBBED" of...


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and your acting like he wasnt?


jordan was robbed too though... its just he actually got recognition more often though
 7 years ago '07        #27
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not this s**t again .
 7 years ago '07        #28
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LOL the funniest argument was that Kobe wasn't like LeBron coming out of HS. What does that have to do with anything? He came out and competed. KOBE stans are crazy. MJ all DAY
 7 years ago '08        #29
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surprised this s**t is only 2 pages deep.
 7 years ago '04        #30
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MJ no question.

Just stop it lol ahahahahhaa
 7 years ago '07        #31
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Men Lie Women Lie Numbers Dont
 7 years ago '08        #32
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 malikmoore9 said:
He is only 4000 points less than MJ total career points with way less games give props people


Kobe has played 1073 games and Jordan played 1072 games...
 02-09-2011, 07:52 AM         #33
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Kobe has played 1073 games and Jordan played 1072 games...
Some people have a hard time reading when they compare stats they compare total games not total minutes played. Jordan has way more games started than Kobe and more complete seasons. so even though you are comparing 1072 games that Kobe has been involved in he hasnt played all of them or even started most of them in his first 3 seasons.
 7 years ago '07        #34
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No comment. I've son'd/argued with enough n*ggaz over this debate. Both great players... /THREAD
 7 years ago '08        #35
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 malikmoore9 said:
Some people have a hard time reading when they compare stats they compare total games not total minutes played. Jordan has way more games started than Kobe and more complete seasons. so even though you are comparing 1072 games that Kobe has been involved in he hasnt played all of them or even started most of them in his first 3 seasons.
Kobe minutes per game is 36.5
Jordan is 38.3

the difference is not big, 1.8 minute per game more is nothing


you say kobe's wasnt involved a lot first 3 seasons
his first season i can agree, he played 71 games, started 6, averaged 15 minutes per game...
his second season he started only 1 game, but his minutes jumped to 26 per game... it gets a pass tho

but his third season he was a STARTER and averaged 38 MINUTES PER GAME... how tha f**k you take that out? just because he averaged less than 20 points per game? f**kouttahere
 7 years ago '07        #36
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 malikmoore9 said:
Some people have a hard time reading when they compare stats they compare total games not total minutes played. Jordan has way more games started than Kobe and more complete seasons. so even though you are comparing 1072 games that Kobe has been involved in he hasnt played all of them or even started most of them in his first 3 seasons.
Jordan retired and came back! you can't count all those games because he needed time to re adjust! So you're saying that Jordan was better when he came into the league and still is? It is not Jordans fault Kobe didn't start. Holla at me when Kobe matches him MVP wise.
 7 years ago '10        #37
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what about jordan vs kobe after 1,500 games?
what if kobe wins 3 more titles and 2 more finals mvps?
then what?

comparing people after a "selected" amount of games is dumb. compare a career.. when both players careers are OVER.
 7 years ago '06        #38
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honestly im a lakers fan and a kobe fan but how can u say hes better then the GOAT? you must be 14 or f**king sucking of kobe himself cuz its obvious. the numbers and games speak for itself.
 02-09-2011, 08:16 AM         #39
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 7 years ago '05        #40
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kobe thread number 600 s**t is like GroundHog Day in this b**ch same damn thing every f**king day
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