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 7 years ago '04        #21
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January 28, 2011

Rivals.com recruiting staff
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Rivals.com football recruiting analysts weigh in on National Signing Day topics every day leading up to Feb. 2.


Florida's Will Muschamp made progress, but needs more pledges.
Which new coaching staff has done the best in a short amount of time?


Barry Every: That's a tough one. I'll go with either Stanford, which gained Wayne Lyons on national TV despite no coach, and kept James Vaughters committed. The Cardinal battled to keep prospects after popular coach Jim Harbaugh went to the NFL. Al Golden of Miami inherited a recruiting class of fewer than five and still has a chance to steal some kids in Florida.

Mike Farrell: I think Miami. I know it might not show when it comes to results unless the Hurricanes have a strong finish, but Al Golden is a hustler and a great recruiter. He has brought on a few guys on his staff who can really recruit and a few of the three-star guys they landed down the stretch will surprise. Plus they secured Anthony Chickillo and have lured a ton of top kids to Miami to at least look. Watch out for Miami in 2012.

Adam Gorney: Miami and Colorado have done a commendable job but I think Brady Hoke and the Michigan staff deserve the most recognition here. The Wolverines have kept Blake Countess, Justice Hayes and others in the class, and have added some nice pieces in the last week or so, including Detroit athlete Raymon Taylor. Hiring Greg Mattison as defensive coordinator was key to fixing the defense. There might have been a little bit of concern when Michigan hired Hoke - not the biggest name in coaching circles - but he's done a fine job so far.

Chris Nee: I'll give the nod to Miami, mainly because it immediately dealt with an issue of ignoring kids in the Miami area. Since the new staff arrived, the 'Canes have locked up 10 commitments with six of them coming from the Sunshine State. Most of all, Miami has worked hard in Broward and Miami-Dade to get back into the schools.

Keith Niebuhr: Michigan. The Wolverines took a major hit on the recruiting front after Rich Rodriguez was fired, but now Michigan seems to really be gaining some momentum. The Wolverines added some solid recruits in recent days, notably defensive end Keith Heitzman and cornerback Raymon Taylor. All of a sudden, it looks like a strong push at the end is possible.

Brian Perroni: Florida has gained some traction with top recruits since hiring Will Muschamp but the Gators have only landed one commitment so far under his watch. Michigan has done a good job under Brady Hoke. The Wolverines have added six commits in the last week and firmed up the pledge of four-star cornerback Blake Countess. They still have a very good shot to add even more talent such as four-star linebacker Leilon Willingham.

Of all the schools changing conferences, which one will benefit most from its new league on the recruiting front?

Barry Every: TCU will attract not only top kids in Texas but now kids on the Atlantic seaboard by moving to the Big East. Not to mention no current Big East school has staked a claim of dominance. I also believe Boise State will continue to roll in the Mountain West as long as coach Chris Petersen is at the helm.


Gary Patterson should benefit from TCU's new league.
Mike Farrell: I think Utah will benefit the most because it now can sell the automatic BCS tie-in and it can recruit more in California. Utah is already in the top 50 this year and ahead of a few Pac-12 teams. With the move, I think the Utes can jump to the middle of the Pac-12 in recruiting if they continue to have success on the field.

Adam Gorney: Utah is going to benefit by moving to the Pac-10 (soon to be Pac-12). Finally, the Utes are in a high-profile conference where the coaching staff can recruit Southern California and other areas they maybe would have had no luck previously. Think about this: In the last two weeks, three of the best players from the Los Angeles area - quarterback Michael Eubank, wide receiver Junior Pomee and cornerback Ryan Henderson - have visited Utah. That might not have happened without a move to the Pac-10. The flip side of that is the competition will be much better on the field and on the recruiting trail.

Chris Nee: I think TCU heading to the Big East. The Horned Frogs have a strong recruiting base already in Texas and will now add a recruiting base along parts of the Atlantic East and Southeast. With their name emerging among the nation's best programs on the field, Texas Christian may see a big benefit from the move.

Keith Niebuhr: In the short term, it's probably Utah. In the long term, I'll go with Colorado. The Utes' switch to the Pac-10 will help in recruiting, quite frankly, because it gives the program a little more credibility. With its inclusion into a BCS conference will come more media exposure, more marquee games and more games on major TV networks, all things recruits like. For Colorado, the move should help because it essentially allows the program to hit the re-set button. In its heyday, the Buffs recruited the West Coast exceptionally well. Now that Colorado will be playing West Coast teams, it becomes a more attractive option to prospects in talent-rich California.

Brian Perroni: I would think it would be Colorado. Though the Buffaloes have been playing in the Big 12, they have struggled to recruit the state of Texas as well as the rest of the conference. In their heyday Colorado heavily recruited the state of California. With much of the new Pac-12 based in California, they should be able to establish a strong presence in the state again.

What prospect claiming to be solid with a school has not convinced you?

Barry Every: I'm going with Stephon Tuitt. I think even though his mother believes that Notre Dame is in his best interest, he may just want to stay closer to home.


One analyst is not convinced Stephon Tuitt will stick with Notre Dame.
Mike Farrell: Chris Barnett. He's committed to Arkansas but has visited Miami and will now apparently visit Michigan this weekend. He could wait until after National Signing Day to decide and announce. He's always been an unpredictable kid and tough to read so I could see him flipping.

Adam Gorney: It's hard for me to believe Marcus Roberson is 100-percent committed to Texas Tech. The Red Raiders hired his uncle, Otis Mounds, and one can argue it was a ploy to land the Fort Lauderdale (Fla.) St. Thomas Aquinas standout. But it still might not be enough. Florida is making a push. Auburn doesn't seem to be giving up. With so many coaches pushing from other schools as well, I'd expect Roberson to think really hard about his Texas Tech pledge.

Chris Nee: Fort Lauderdale (Fla.) Boyd Anderson linebacker Kent Turene. I expect the USC commitment to end up at a school in the SEC, and not likely at Southern Cal.

Keith Niebuhr: Linebacker Kent Turene has been committed to Southern California since last summer, but he continues to be courted by other programs and take official visits. Turene claims he's still a Trojans commit, but it looks as if Georgia, Nebraska and possibly Texas Tech are all still in the mix. At this point, where he ultimately lands is anyone's guess.

Brian Perroni: Rivals100 running back Herschel Sims is a longtime Oklahoma State commit but he never ruled out visits to other schools. Recently his head coach came out and said that Sims has firmed up his commitment to the Cowboys. While I think he will end up signing with them, I have a feeling he is still at least listening to other schools. He had too much of a wandering eye for it to just have suddenly stopped this week.

Which recent a.ssistant coaching move has made the most impact on the 2011 class?

Barry Every: I think it's too early to tell, though Manny Diaz moving to Texas really crushed Mississippi State with C.J. Johnson. Look for Gunter Brewer to get really involved with kids as Ole Miss could finish strong after a poor season on the field.


Texas Tech landed Marcus Roberson, thanks in part to a coaching move.
Mike Farrell: Stan Drayton could have the biggest impact or at least one of the biggest impacts if Curtis Grant goes to Ohio State over Florida and Ja'Juan Story flips from the Gators to the Buckeyes. But for me it has been Jeff Hafley's move from Pittsburgh, where he was left twisting in the wind after Dave Wannstedt got fired, to Rutgers. Hafley was the main reason Pitt was k!lling it in New Jersey. He also is a major reason why Miles Shuler committed earlier than expected and why Gary Nova and Lafayette Pitts are on board. And if they close with Savon Huggins and Marquise Wright, Hafley will have a hand in that as well.

Adam Gorney: Florida's hire of Charlie Weis was definitely one of the biggest. Fans in Gainesville had tired of offensive coordinator and line coach Steve Addazio - fairly or unfairly - and with a new, first-time head coach coming in to replace Urban Meyer, it was important to hire a big-timer to run the offense. Weis always thrived in coordinator roles.

Chris Nee: It wasn't so much a hire, as a promotion, but Texas Tech's decision to retain and promote defensive graduate a.ssistant Otis Mounds to cornerbacks coach. With that move, it helped the Red Raiders land the commitment of Rivals100 defensive back Marcus Roberson and also gave them a strong presence in the Sunshine State, where Mounds remains very popular.

Keith Niebuhr: I'll go with the move made by former Mississippi State defensive coordinator Manny Diaz, who left for Texas earlier this month. After that move, C.J. Johnson quickly de-committed and eventually picked archrival Ole Miss.

Brian Perroni: It is really only an a.ssistant coaching change for one year but West Virginia hiring Dana Holgorsen as offensive coordinator and head coach in waiting has already paid dividends. Recruits seem excited about the up-tempo offense he brings with him. The Mountaineers have added commitments from four-star running back Andrew Buie and sleeper running back prospect Dustin Garrison since Holgorsen arrived.
I like Michigan's hire better than Muschamp and the guy from Colorado. I think Hoke is gonna turn that program around, he did great at San Diego St.


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 7 years ago '04        #22
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 TH35 said:
He's a good recruiter.
I would've thought he would be doing ALOT better right now given his situation of being at UF, the hire of Charlie Weiss and all of that.... I mean Golden has only had a month to recruit and to put a staff together and he's been amazing thus far.
 7 years ago '04        #23
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 titanreese said:
Alabama keeping that top spot
your class is unfair
 7 years ago '04        #24
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Still Work to be Done


By Scott Kennedy
Director of Scouting
Posted Jan 27, 2011


There are some familiar names in the Top 25 of Scout's Team Recruiting Rankings, but there are also teams notable in their absence. Here is a look at 10 teams who have some work to do to catch up to a more accustomed spot in the rankings before Signing Day.

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#27 - Florida Gators
Florida has never finished outside of the Top 25 in Scout's recruiting rankings. A sudden coaching change delayed the usual Gator a.ssault on the Top 5 for a few weeks, but Florida's exclusion from the Top 25 is short-lived. While a resurgent Florida State Seminole recruiting machine along with the loss of Head Coach Urban Meyer have slowed Florida, the Gators are still finalists for the requisite amount of top prospects to vault back into the Top 25 on Signing Day.

#29 - Mississippi State Bulldogs
While not generally considered a recruiting power on a national scale, Mississippi State has been ranked 29th across an average of the last four recruiting classes, exactly where they're ranked now. With Ole Miss struggling to a 4-8 record and Mississippi State with a big season that included another win over the Rebels, a Top 15 finish, and a bowl win over Michigan, the Bulldogs have to be disappointed that they've lost their two highest ranked commitments Scout 100 receiver Nickolas Brassell, who could eventually choose the Rebels, and Scout's No. 4 middle linebacker C.J. Johnson who did commit to Ole Miss.

#32 - Michigan Wolverines
It was a rough ride at Michigan for former head coach Rich Rodriguez, and the turmoil has caught up to the Wolverines on the recruiting trail. New coach Brady Hoke has done an admirable job of salvaging the Class of 2011 for the Wolverines with nine new commitments since he's been hired, but this is as low a ranking as one should expect to see Wolverines in recruiting for the foreseeable future.

#33 - Virginia Tech Hokies
The Hokies have everyone right where they want them. Virginia Tech is a school who rightfully gets a reputation as doing more with less. Virginia Tech hasn't been one Top 20 finish in the Scout Recruiting Rankings in the last five years (No. 20 in 2008), yet the Hokies have won the ACC three of the last four years. This year Virginia Tech is trying to hold off a strong charge from North Carolina who has gone to Virginia and nabbed commitments from two of the state's highest ranked players in linebacker Travis Hughes and offensive guard Landon Turner. Curtis Grant is the state's No. 1 prospect, and he appears to be leaving the state as well.

#48 - West Virginia Mountaineers
It's truly remarkable what West Virginia accomplishes on the field considering the lack of players the Mountaineers are able to count on from within its own borders. Over the last 10 years, West Virginia is ranked 12th in winning percentage amongst BCS schools, yet the state of West Virginia produced one player in the Class of 2010 who signed a scholarship with a BCS team, defensive back Wes Tonkery. The state of Florida led the nation with 194 players signing with BCS Schools. Still, the sustained success of Mountaineers should open more doors to more heavily recruited out of state athletes than it has to this point.

#49 - Miami Hurricanes
The name Hurricane and talent have been synonymous for the better part of the last 30 years, but the Hurricanes of more recent years haven't put the type of talent on the field that looks like an NFL minor league team. While the times of Miami making news for the wrong reason were long gone under former coach Randy Shannon, there wasn't enough making news for the right ones for him to keep his job. Insert Temple coach Al Golden, a name relatively unfamiliar in the talent rich Dade/Broward area, and the Hurricanes are in an unaccustomed spot when it comes to recruiting. Winning will take care of any recruiting efforts for Miami in the future, and for this year, Golden gets a pass.

#66 - UCLA Bruins
If there was one team in the country that should have benefited the most from USC's looming sanctions, it should have been UCLA. While the Trojans are appealing the scholarship reductions and are still set on taking a full class, the Bruins did nothing to help themselves limping to an uninspiring 4-8 record. Meanwhile Oregon, Cal, and Washington are coming to California and taking the players that USC is not. 5-Star Brett Hundley should be able to help immediately, and there's still time for UCLA to take advantage of USC's scholarship reductions that haven't kicked in yet, but this year was a step backwards when it could have been a leap forward.

#68 - Arizona Wildcats
Arizona is another team that is not a perennial Top 25 team in the recruiting rankings, but if they finish where they are currently ranked, it will be their worst finish of the last five years. Arizona's 7-1 record in 2010 was a bit of a desert mirage as the wheels came off against the teeth of the Pac-10, Oregon, USC, and Stanford in an 0-5 finish. If the Wildcats are going to sustain success over the course of an entire season, they can't afford to let the limited number of players leave the state. The state of Arizona has seven players rated 4-Star or better by Scout, and not one of them is committed to either the Wildcats or the Arizona State Sun Devils. Arizona State has done a good job of supplementing its commitment list with talented out of state prospects, the Wildcats have not to this point.

#81 - Colorado Buffaloes
A clean slate can't come fast enough for Colorado. A new coach, a new conference a new day in Boulder will be welcomed. Consider the Class of 2011 a reset. Caught in no-man's land in the Big 12, a move to the new Pac-12 makes sense for Colorado as they've had a lot of success recruiting the state of California in the past. Colorado needs to close considerably stronger or they're going to make the transition to the Pac-12 a rough one. Recruiting rankings certainly aren't an exact science when it comes to predicting a team's future success, but teams in BCS conferences trend towards their recruiting rankings through the years, and with only 13 commitments and looking up at teams such as Rice, Central Michigan, and Marshall, it's going to be awfully tough for the Buffs to compete with the likes of Oregon, Stanford, USC, Washington, Utah, and Arizona State among others.

#85 - Pittsburgh Panthers
It wouldn't be a stretch to list the entire Big East as one entity on this list as not a single team from that conference is ranked in the Top 25, but Pitt's fall from grace has been particularly noticeable. After dismissing a successful coach who was dynamite on the recruiting trail, the Panthers were quickly scrambling to replace his replacement. When Dave Wannstedt was fired at Pittsburgh, the Panthers were in Scout's Top 20 in recruiting, a spot they had grown accustomed to under Wannstedt.
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 7 years ago '04        #25
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1st - TCU is not in the Big East next year. They are joining in 2012. They will not be dominating the Big East next year because they will still be in the Mountain West.

2nd - When they do join the Big East, they will most likely dominate for a few years but by bringing them to the conference, along with a tenth (hopefully not 'Nova), the Big East will be improved.

3rd - Pitt's recruiting is going to suffer for this year but I think we will be back in the top 25 within a year or two. I think Graham is going to help the team more than Wanny did. Graham shouldn't be as conservative. We also do not have a very hard schedule next year. First two games are Buffalo & Maine. We go to Iowa and play Notre Dame & Utah at home. We have the talent, just need to get the coaching right and we could be a 9 or 10 win team.
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 Cap Peeler said:
I like Michigan's hire better than Muschamp and the guy from Colorado. I think Hoke is gonna turn that program around, he did great at San Diego St.
He did. I do like the Hoke hire but at the same time, I'm thinking he won't be any better than Rich Rod unless he hired a good DC. The offense wasn't a problem the defense was garbage under Robinson.
 7 years ago '07        #27
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 P. Dedos said:
marcus decommited since then famo sorry to break it to ya

its UF or auburn with this one

the only reason he commited to yall was shis cousin was a graduate a.ssistant
Even with his Decommit this is a fairly strong class for Tech. I see some good OLINE, and LBs in their class. If they can get some solid DLine, then they will transition to more of a traditional Double T team running a prostyle offense around strong defense.
 7 years ago '05        #28
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 Cap Peeler said:
muschamp stealing uconn's recruits i see
I know you aint talkin Temple
 7 years ago '06        #29
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 Cap Peeler said:
your class is unfair
We should be able to pull in cyrus but imagine our class if we get Clowney too :wow:
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 P. Dedos said:
marcus decommited since then famo sorry to break it to ya

its UF or auburn with this one

the only reason he commited to yall was shis cousin was a graduate a.ssistant
Go to Florida Marcus...GO TO FLORIDA
 7 years ago '09        #31
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For those asking why ND should fire Kelly's bum a.ss, because he sucks. Sure he had a solid first season but it was with the other coach's players. Weis did the same with Ty's players and Ty did the same with Bob Davie's players and the one thing they all had in common was that after year 2 they were just average.
So, why waste time bs'ing the fans around. We know the end of this story. Let's just cut our losses now and get a real coach in there. We're the reason Urban Meyer retired. I'm about to start the countdown til the day he takes over in South Bend.
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 Fly 2ndComing said:
For those asking why ND should fire Kelly's bum a.ss, because he sucks. Sure he had a solid first season but it was with the other coach's players. Weis did the same with Ty's players and Ty did the same with Bob Davie's players and the one thing they all had in common was that after year 2 they were just average.
So, why waste time bs'ing the fans around. We know the end of this story. Let's just cut our losses now and get a real coach in there. We're the reason Urban Meyer retired. I'm about to start the countdown til the day he takes over in South Bend.
Urban Meyer isn't coming to Notre Dame. Sorry to tell you that.......
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 Fly 2ndComing said:
For those asking why ND should fire Kelly's bum a.ss, because he sucks. Sure he had a solid first season but it was with the other coach's players. Weis did the same with Ty's players and Ty did the same with Bob Davie's players and the one thing they all had in common was that after year 2 they were just average.
So, why waste time bs'ing the fans around. We know the end of this story. Let's just cut our losses now and get a real coach in there. We're the reason Urban Meyer retired. I'm about to start the countdown til the day he takes over in South Bend.
Weis also had a few years to prove he sucked . I guarantee you Kelly will be the best head coach you've had in a while.
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Still a top 5 recruiting class even with the bulls**t

f!ght on
 7 years ago '05        #35
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 titanreese said:
Go to Florida Marcus...GO TO FLORIDA
when we get Steward, Rasco and Jernigan say bye to that top spot
 7 years ago '05        #36
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OH AND DONT FORGET CLOWNEY
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J. Clowney ex high school head coach speaks.....
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 Junior G said:
OH AND DONT FORGET CLOWNEY
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Its either Bama or SC.....No way he goes to FSU :)
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 TH35 said:
Weis also had a few years to prove he sucked . I guarantee you Kelly will be the best head coach you've had in a while.
Well, we will have to see about that. But, I doubt he will do better than Weis, Davie or Ty did. Im thinking about the same. He'll post one 10 win season and hang around 8 wins the other two years at best.
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 lilsnatch770 said:
Urban Meyer isn't coming to Notre Dame. Sorry to tell you that.......
Says who?

I dont care who we get but we have to get rid of this bum Kelly. I'm sure they can throw all that money at another big name coach as well.
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