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 7 years ago '11        #41
Joseph 13 heat pts13
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 Hold That said:
A PG is suppose to lead the team, a PG is suppose to have many duties which is why they are considered the QB of the team and true leader.. If defering is not getting your team wins(see Wall,see Nash) then you better start putting the ball in the hoop..
QBs pass the ball tho, jk Rose can distribute it
 7 years ago '07        #42
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i always thought the role of a pg was to distribute and set up your teamates to put them in the best position to score. if scoring is #1 on your priority list as a pg something is wrong with your roster.

put wall, rose, nash, williams, cp3 etc on the bulls they would instantly move rose to sg.

rose is an amazing player i just don't consider him a true pg. although it wouldnt surprise me that if he really wanted he could be a great pass first pg and be right up there in a.ssists because his skill level is so high.
 7 years ago '05        #43
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 ChiCity Fingaz said:
No, no, he's supposed to make game winning passes
Also notice how Chris Paul had his best year when he was score first dropping 23pts and went further ever in his career by looking for his shot..

Now he's passing like crazy and N.O is currently no better than mediocre..

Pass first PG's are only good when they have a solid team around them... PHX supporting cast is currently trash and Nash knows nothing but deferring and his team is lottery bound and in current talks of moving him for the future..

Give me the score first game changer who can also pass with an unselfish never quit attitude..
 7 years ago '05        #44
Junior G 116 heat pts116
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Rose doesn't even run an offense he's quiet as a mouse out there....this is how you run an offense

watch closely as he points and tells players where they need to be and calls out sets to run....THE MAESTRO.


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 7 years ago '07        #45
KeepinItTrill 33 heat pts33
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 Hold That said:
he averages 8 a.ssist so you saying he can't pass now? #1 list of duties is to effectively run the offense.. Just so happens Rose IS the offense.
that's the problem right there, can't depend on him to carry the offensive load all the time

and who said he can't pass
 7 years ago '05        #46
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Rose directs the offense, hell almost every PG in the league points, calls for screens and tells players where to go.. Nothing special about that, Rondo has the luxury of player with players like KG/Allen/Pierce/Shaq.. ALL former #1 options, all future hall of famers and all know where to be and how to execute without the a.ssistance of Rondo..

@ you thinking HOF's need the a.ssistance of Rondo of where to be on the court..
 7 years ago '05        #47
Junior G 116 heat pts116
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 ChiCity Fingaz said:
Rose runs the offense well. He's a good leader.

When you get in the playoffs, big time scorers have to make shots. I like our chances in the clutch. You can have the guy who's waiting for shooters to come off screens and looking for the guy in the post.
AKA THE TEAM THAT'S GOIN TO WIN THE CHAMPIONSHIP......
 7 years ago '05        #48
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 KeepinItTrill said:
that's the problem right there, can't depend on him to carry the offensive load all the time

and who said he can't pass
Until he has a D-Wade/Bosh like sidekick or a Bynum/Gasol/Odom/Artest or a 4 future HOF teammates, thats the burden he has to take, and he seems just fine in doing such at the young age of 22..

Lets see how far the Hornets get this year.. We already know where the Suns are headed..
 7 years ago '05        #49
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 Hold That said:
Rose directs the offense, hell almost every PG in the league points, calls for screens and tells players where to go.. Nothing special about that, Rondo has the luxury of player with players like KG/Allen/Pierce/Shaq.. ALL former #1 options, all future hall of famers and all know where to be and how to execute without the a.ssistance of Rondo..

@ you thinking HOF's need the a.ssistance of Rondo of where to be on the court..
you don't watch the games idiot.....Rondo tells them n*ggaz during the games where they need to be and they go when he says so
 7 years ago '07        #50
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 Hold That said:
Rose directs the offense, hell almost every PG in the league points, calls for screens and tells players where to go.. Nothing special about that, Rondo has the luxury of player with players like KG/Allen/Pierce/Shaq.. ALL former #1 options, all future hall of famers and all know where to be and how to execute without the a.ssistance of Rondo..

@ you thinking HOF's need the a.ssistance of Rondo of where to be on the court..
but ask any of them who's the best pg they've played with.. bet they're saying rondo.
 7 years ago '05        #51
Junior G 116 heat pts116
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 Hold That said:
Until he has a D-Wade like sidekick or a 4 future HOF teammates, thats the burden he has to take, and he seems just fine in doing such..
would you rather have Shaq over Boozer or Noah?
 7 years ago '11        #52
Joseph 13 heat pts13
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nice vid junior G
 7 years ago '05        #53
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 #21 said:
but ask any of them who's the best pg they've played with.. bet they're saying rondo.
exactly.....we friends again
 7 years ago '05        #54
Junior G 116 heat pts116
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 ChiCity Fingaz said:
Yeah the team that won a championship with that player as their 5th best player.

Rondo's a player you put around your best player.

Rose is your best player.
how bout last year when Rondo carried them to the Finals? Rose can't even get his team out the first round
 7 years ago '07        #55
KeepinItTrill 33 heat pts33
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 Hold That said:
Until he has a D-Wade/Bosh like sidekick or a Bynum/Gasol/Odom/Artest or a 4 future HOF teammates, thats the burden he has to take, and he seems just fine in doing such..
he seems fine in the reg. season, but what about playoff time? He can't beat a team by himself, and teams are gonna zone in on him and take away his scoring opportunities, then what? You're gonna be wishing there was another scoring option when that s**t happens.
 7 years ago '05        #56
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 Junior G said:
would you rather have Shaq over Boozer or Noah?
I'd rather have KG/Shaq with Ray Allen and Pierce on the wings..
 7 years ago '11        #57
Joseph 13 heat pts13
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quick question: when was the last time a scorin PG won an NBA championship?

look at the last 20 NBA champions
2009-10 Los Angeles Lakers Boston Celtics 4-3
2008-09 Los Angeles Lakers Orlando Magic 4-1
2007-08 Boston Celtics Los Angeles Lakers 4-2
2006-07 San Antonio Spurs Cleveland Cavaliers 4-0
2005-06 Miami Heat Dallas Mavericks 4-2
2004-05 San Antonio Spurs Detroit Pistons 4-3
2003-04 Detroit Pistons Los Angeles Lakers 4-1
2002-03 San Antonio Spurs New Jersey Nets 4-2
2001-02 Los Angeles Lakers New Jersey Nets 4-0
2000-01 Los Angeles Lakers Philadelphia 76ers 4-1
1999-00 Los Angeles Lakers Indiana Pacers 4-2
1998-99 San Antonio Spurs New York Knicks 4-1
1997-98 Chicago Bulls Utah Jazz 4-2
1996-97 Chicago Bulls Utah Jazz 4-2
1995-96 Chicago Bulls Seattle SuperSonics 4-2
1994-95 Houston Rockets Orlando Magic 4-0
1993-94 Houston Rockets New York Knicks 4-3
1992-93 Chicago Bulls Phoenix Suns 4-2
1991-92 Chicago Bulls Portland Trail Blazers 4-2
1990-91 Chicago Bulls Los Angeles Lakers 4-1
 7 years ago '07        #58
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 ChiCity Fingaz said:
Boozer.
even you don't believe that...

he might benefit from Rose driving though, probably open up some easy 12 ft jumpers for C-Los
 7 years ago '05        #59
Junior G 116 heat pts116
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 Hold That said:
I'd rather have KG/Shaq with Ray Allen and Pierce on the wings..
stop with the Shaq bulls**t....Rondo was puttin up numbers without him and KG 2 years ago in the playoffs, when he gave Rose a triple double for 7 straight games and went in on the Magic with 3 games over 25 points.....he does what he needs to....Rose had Ben Gordon who couldnt miss and Salmons who was s**ttin on Truth for the most part and couldn't get it done
 7 years ago '05        #60
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 ChiCity Fingaz said:
Rondo didn't carry them to the finals.
ya might want to watch those games again.....
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