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 7 years ago '04        #221
Kush Charasi 25 heat pts25
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f**k YOU JOHN HOLLINGER!!!! :fawkdance:




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 7 years ago '04        #222
knowughetto 9 heat pts
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 vshah24 said:
f**k YOU JOHN HOLLINGER!!!! :fawkdance:
John Hollinger is one of the biggest f**kin Bulls/Rose haters on this earth...Only second to we all know who...
 7 years ago '08        #223
Andre3stacks 20 heat pts20
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Can some1 up that John Hollinger article??
 12-10-2010, 10:54 PM         #224
WordisBond  OP
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 Andre3stacks said:
Can some1 up that John Hollinger article??
yea someone do that..i didnt read that.. I feel like laughin
 7 years ago '06        #225
01seay 83 heat pts83
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 Andre3stacks said:
Can some1 up that John Hollinger article??
 WordisBond said:
yea someone do that..i didnt read that.. I feel like laughin
Are yall talking about this???




Derrick Rose doesn't draw fouls.

That's about all the negativity I can muster toward him in an impressive first quarter of the season, yet it remains an important distinction in evaluating his place among the league's elite.

Let me explain.

For starters, there is no question that Rose is aboard the fast track to superstardom. The third-year guard played well enough to make the All-Star team a year ago, and this season he's a no-brainer pick. He ranks fourth in the league in scoring and ninth in a.ssists. At times he's been electric and unstoppable, such as his 14-point outburst during an 18-0 run in Houston that broke open a close game in the fourth quarter.

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Unquestionably, their catalyst has been Rose. While he's shooting a lot, it's not just a question of taking more shots. He's also added some tools to his repertoire. Most notably, he's stroking the 3-pointer more confidently and, so far, more accurately. Rose attempted 132 triples in his first two pro seasons and didn't shoot it much more often for Team USA this summer, but in the current season he's trying over four 3-pointers a game and converting at a respectable 37.1 percent clip. It's the perfect response to opponents' preferred strategy of defending him by going under screens and conceding the jumper.

They concede that J, of course, because Rose is such a great finisher around the basket. He's shooting 58.6 percent in the basket area this year, according to Hoopdata.com, and has been in that range his entire career. Moreover, he gets there often -- nearly six times a game for his career.

All of those skills should make him a lethal force and a legit MVP candidate. And they would ... if he would draw some fouls.

Rose, however, isn't in the elite category if we look at PER, Estimated Wins Added or any other analytic metric. He's sixth among point guards in estimated wins added (EWA), right behind Raymond Felton and a loooong way behind leaders Russell Westbrook, Chris Paul and Deron Williams.

In PER, it's a similar story -- sixth among point guards, 19th overall. Long-time Bulls fans will no doubt be shocked to see him listed behind Shannon Brown and Tyrus Thomas.

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Rose's shooting percentages -- 45.6 percent overall, 37.1 percent on 3s -- are solid for a point guard. But his True Shooting Percentage -- 53.3 -- is rather ordinary. Of the league's 62 qualifying point guards, 32 outrank him in that category, including all the ones he's compared to in the "best point guard" debates (see chart).

Compare head-to-head against the league's elite point guards and the difference jumps out. Despite all his forays to the rim, Rose averages 5.6 free throw attempts per game on just over 21 field goal attempts; his rate of .26 free throw attempts per field goal attempt is well below the league average of .32.

As with the TS% above, 32 of the league's point guards outrank him in free throw attempts per field goal attempt. That list includes his backup (C.J. Watson, 0.28); jump-shooting specialists such as Cleveland's Daniel Gibson and Memphis' Mike Conley; and a whole host of players who aren't nearly as good.

Against the elite, he's completely outclassed in this category. Westbrook gets to the line nearly nine times a game, or once for every two field goal attempts; this difference accounts for nearly the entirety of Westbrook's advantages over Rose and places him comfortably ahead in TS% and PER. Paul takes nearly as many free throws on half as many shot attempts. Williams also shoots dramatically less than Rose but gets to the stripe nearly seven times a game. Even Tony Parker -- a slasher, whose M.O. is to sidestep the hit and make the shot instead -- gets to the line at a higher rate than Rose.

The only elite point guard who gets to the line less frequently than Rose is Rajon Rondo, and that's because he's actively terrified of having to shoot free throws. The punch line? Rondo still has a better TS% than Rose.

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I've heard a variety of explanations for Rose's relative lack of freebies. The "no respect from the refs" theory is the one most often heard in the upper reaches of Illinois, but it's also the most suspect. Several less-experienced players have had little trouble getting to the foul line at a more frequent clip. Rookie John Wall, for instance, is the one whose physical skills are most often compared to Rose's, and he's had no trouble getting to the line with far greater frequency.

Moreover, it's not like Rose is some unknown rookie. In his third season as Chicago's featured offensive performer, I'd say the officials are deeply familiar with his playing style.

No, the unfortunate fact is this: The same things that make Rose so watchable also conspire against him. He's so smooth, so graceful and so explosive that it's fairly easy for him to float past opponents and drop in a layup or to launch his unusually-effective 10-foot floater or to pull up for the J while an opponent watches helplessly from the other side of the screen. Alas, none of those maneuvers get him to the line, and the next time Rose willfully draws contact to force his way there will be a first.

Contrast that, for instance, with Westbrook's bull-in-a-china-shop approach, and there's no question which one is easier on the eyes. Rose's tactic is less effective on the scoreboard because Westbrook is taking twice as many foul shots every night.

Don't get me wrong, Rose is a spectacular performer and a surefire All-Star. If you're making a list of players you'd pay money to see play, there's no question he's in the top 10. All those graceful plays I just mentioned are far more entertaining than watching somebody shoot two flat-footed 15-footers from the line while the other nine players stand and watch.

Still, it's a less effective way to win basketball games.
 7 years ago '04        #226
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 12-10-2010, 11:46 PM         #227
cheguevara  OP
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 7 years ago '06        #228
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Didn't get a chance to see the game but I'm guessing it was a lack of execution and getting the little things f**ked up that did the Lakers in huh?

Let the bulls fans wallow in this win. Being prisoners of the moment is always fun until you realize you have to play more games
 7 years ago '10        #229
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 Gottagat said:
good games by ESPN finally da heat warriors game gonna be ill 2

bulls by 3
if pau bum a.ss made da free throw wuda ben correct
 7 years ago '07        #230
KeepinItTrill 30 heat pts30
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Rose is cold...but this is still just the regular season

wish we woulda gotten the W, but it is what it is and we can't win em all

props to the Bulls though
 7 years ago '04        #231
TVee 1 heat pts
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23 points on 23 fga. Great game from Kobe.
 7 years ago '05        #232
Hold That 103 heat pts103
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 youngskits718 said:
Didn't get a chance to see the game but I'm guessing it was a lack of execution and getting the little things f**ked up that did the Lakers in huh?

Let the bulls fans wallow in this win. Being prisoners of the moment is always fun until you realize you have to play more games
this is the last of the hard games we have in decemeber.. The next 10 games are against lottery teams except for the Knicks and Pacers.. even though those two teams are dangerous, we are still better than both.
 12-11-2010, 01:31 PM         #233
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 knowughetto said:
@ the real dark skinned dude on Lakers bench to the left of Steve Blake. Is that Character? Anyways, his reaction is hilarious. He looks like a little kid watching Jordan for the first time or something. Dude's eyes were falling out of his face and he had that open mouth "in awe" look
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