Sep 2 - Stephen Hawking: God did NOT create the Universe

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 8 years ago '05        #61
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 Boyce Codd said:
I support the agnost theory. Don't you atheists find it scary in a way that there would be NOTHING after death? What would nothing be?
I think atheists find it as scary as the notion that one didn't exist, at least in any state of consciousness, before birth. Is that scary? Not at all.
 8 years ago '05        #62
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 illement said:
No one is "trying to lead you astray" of anything. Science is the modern day term for natural philosophy. If it means proving God isn't real, then so be it. It's simply studying our surrounding and trying to discover the unknown. Proving god doesn't exist has never been Science's goal. Sure, maybe individual scientists but not the field. Until we have definite proof I can't truly say there is or isn't a god. The problem isn't god or someone's faith. It's the people in religions that are the problem. They're institutions created to keep social order and control and condition those who know no better. You're telling me because I don't believe in a certain religion I will go to hell?

Doesn't make sense to me. You're telling me that small tribe in the middle of South American somewhere will go to hell because they don't believe in god or have any idea of what god is? Plenty of people live their entire lives not even knowing what a god is... That being said, religion itself is needed to keep the world from going into to total anarchy. Just isn't for me...
who said this was a fact? every human being has a concept of Dios in their brain, i am referencing science/bible simultaneously....

it's been proven that we are born with a part of our brain that is attached to a "GOD" or higher power

from the aforementioned universal law reference

1. The Law of Divine Oneness:

The Law of Divine Oneness helps us to understand that we live in a world where everything is connected to everything else. Everything we do, say, think and believe affects others and the universe around us.



so to say that someone can not know DIOS is a fallacy


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 8 years ago '10        #63
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 circleinsidebox said:
who said this was a fact? every human being has a concept of Dios in their brain, i am referencing science/bible simultaneously....

it's been proven that we are born with a part of our brain that is attached to a "GOD" or higher power

from the aforementioned universal law reference

1. The Law of Divine Oneness:

The Law of Divine Oneness helps us to understand that we live in a world where everything is connected to everything else. Everything we do, say, think and believe affects others and the universe around us.



so to say that someone can notknows DIOS is a fallacy
I wasn't talking to you but you brought up something interesting.... Prove the bold part to me... or...


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GTFO!
 8 years ago '04        #64
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 LankanLatino said:
Men of reason know Hawking speaks the truth
Not picking sides ( i do believe in GOD tho), but Hawking speaks theory
and religion is based on pure belief/faith, im sure if it were based on irrefutable fact we wouldn't be having this discussion
 8 years ago '06        #65
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 Perfectibilist said:
That's because we live by a set of Universal Laws. One of the laws states that "what goes around comes around." Everything that happens in our lives and on earth is a result of these Universal Laws.
yes but why do these laws exist in the first place? I personally think that in the grand scheme of things awareness is all that we are. We all derive from the same thing and laws such as karma exist because if we hurt someone we are really only hurting ourselves. The ultimate goal is to achieve maximum awareness aka become as close to god as possible.
 09-02-2010, 11:33 AM         #66
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Funny thing is as much as they try to denounce God, they play right into the prophecy.. It is said all over the Bible that the Devil will try to trick people into believing God doesn't exist, and he will succeed with many.

Looks like to me its working.
 8 years ago '08        #67
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 A.O.™ said:
Funny thing is as much as they try to denounce God, they play right into the prophecy.. It is said all over the Bible that the Devil will try to trick people into believing God doesn't exist, and he will succeed with many.

Looks like to me its working.
I dont think God exist and I dont think the devil exist.

So who's tricking me?
 09-02-2010, 11:48 AM         #68
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 bornleader said:
who do I believe u or a world renown scientist?
I don't need you to believe me. Just answer the question for yourself.

Stephen says gravity created matter, but we also know gravity is a result of the existence of matter.

Which came first: gravity or matter?
 8 years ago '05        #69
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 Metalzoa said:
I don't need you to believe me. Just answer the question for yourself.

Stephen says gravity created matter, but we also know gravity is a result of the existence of matter.

Which came first: gravity or matter?

are you serious with asking him that question... your dealing with scientific laws,

you think his brain has the capability of processing such complex

laws/theories
 8 years ago '05        #70
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 Tecnique said:
I dont think God exist and I dont think the devil exist.

So who's tricking me?
the devil.....

i can go deeper but for simplicity and time....


just because YOU choose not to believe in both doesn't mean

they DO NOT exist....

you have a notion or a belief you live with, that is all...it has no authority or ground
for any sort of relevance
 8 years ago '08        #71
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Another pointless "God doesn't exist" "YES he does" argument...

That wasn't even the main point of what Hawkings was saying.
 8 years ago '08        #72
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 circleinsidebox said:

just because YOU choose not to believe in both doesn't mean

they DO NOT exist....

you have a notion or a belief you live with, that is all...it has no authority or ground
for any sort of relevance [/B]
You do know that this can, and does, apply in the opposite case as well right?
 8 years ago '05        #73
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 lifetimez said:
Another pointless "God doesn't exist" "YES he does" argument...

That wasn't even the main point of what Hawkings was saying.
precisely, if you read the article all he said was basically

you did not need God to create the world as we know it today...

he basically is saying Dios created the chaotic universe and it formed as we know it today

due to the laws of thermodynamics or entropy


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 8 years ago '05        #74
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 lifetimez said:
You do know that this can, and does, apply in the opposite case as well right?
of course, i'm just having fun while i'm at work

i love debates
 8 years ago '05        #75
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 lifetimez said:
You do know that this can, and does, apply in the opposite case as well right?
but also, if you look at my previous posts i am not arguing

for or against Dios's existence, yes i am a believer

but i am not trying to make anyone else here one
 8 years ago '09        #76
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 GoldynChyld421 said:
I don't know it, I believe God created the universe...
 8 years ago '05        #77
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 Perfectibilist said:
Prove it...
Without referring to any religious texts or books, prove that a god exists.
i could but its pointless cus either side is hard on their stance so its jsut fools yelling at fools no one will win and the loser will be the first to get angry
 8 years ago '04        #78
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 lifetimez said:
Another pointless "God doesn't exist" "YES he does" argument...

That wasn't even the main point of what Hawkings was saying.
lol mostly everyone just saw the title and commented didn't bother to read. And now we have geniuses explaing what came first gravity or matter.
 8 years ago '05        #79
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Anybody who disagrees is a f**king gullible moron.
 8 years ago '10        #80
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 DjComplex72 said:
God is real.....
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