Why haven't birdman ever made the hip hop forbes list ? Does this have anything with hiding assets

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 7 years ago '09        #181
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He has to have hella gawp to be living that way and flying around the world...
 11-02-2010, 08:34 PM         #182
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y'all are a bunch of homos3xuals, get out another n*gga pocket
 11-02-2010, 08:37 PM         #183
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 CashMoneyVamp said:
y'all are a bunch of homos3xuals, get out another n*gga pocket
Where that c*m from?
 7 years ago '09        #184
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 marcusaka50 said:
if that n*gga is broke then I wanna live like that broke n*gga.


 7 years ago '08        #185
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My take on it is this:

Baby made the bulk of his money years ago. Back when Cash Money first signed their distribution deal with Universal. Remember, when CM was at its peak, their albums were costing little to nothing to make, which in turn allowed CM a boatload of returns.

As for modern times, best believe Baby is still caking...but not near as much as what he grossed years ago. Wayne may be Stunna's "son" and all, but dude has Hip Hop Since 1978 as his management company, so I doubt he's getting r*ped out of his money like Juve, Gizzle, and the rest of the older CM squad was. Same with Drake and Nicki. And if the rest of YM is getting r*ped out of their money, its' more Cortez Bryant and Wayne doing the raping than Baby, at least imo.

So to break it down, I don't think Baby in fact does make a lot yearly to make the list. Even tho he's a CEO the n*gga isn't personally selling records, ring tones, or tours...so he sees less money than say when Souljah Boy has his best year.

BUT what keeps Stunna caked up is that he consistently sees money yearly. And probably at a constant and/or increasing rate given CM's popularity in this decade. 95% of the industry can't say that. Even if Baby is only seeing like $3 million a year, that's pretty caked up compared to earnings of the rest of the industry.
 11-02-2010, 10:11 PM         #186
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 the fifth kd said:
my take on it is this:

Baby made the bulk of his money years ago. Back when cash money first signed their distribution deal with universal. Remember, when cm was at its peak, their albums were costing little to nothing to make, which in turn allowed cm a boatload of returns.

As for modern times, best believe baby is still caking...but not near as much as what he grossed years ago. Wayne may be stunna's "son" and all, but dude has hip hop since 1978 as his management company, so i doubt he's getting r*ped out of his money like juve, gizzle, and the rest of the older cm squad was. Same with drake and nicki. And if the rest of ym is getting r*ped out of their money, its' more cortez bryant and wayne doing the raping than baby, at least imo.

So to break it down, i don't think baby in fact does make a lot yearly to make the list. Even tho he's a ceo the n*gga isn't personally selling records, ring tones, or tours...so he sees less money than say when souljah boy has his best year.

But what keeps stunna caked up is that he consistently sees money yearly. And probably at a constant and/or increasing rate given cm's popularity in this decade. 95% of the industry can't say that. Even if baby is only seeing like $3 million a year, that's pretty caked up compared to earnings of the rest of the industry.
source ?
 7 years ago '09        #187
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If this clown is worth so much why aint he paying people?
 7 years ago '08        #188
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 ajeana said:
source ?
No particular source.

Just going off of rationality and some minor knowings of how the industry works.
 7 years ago '09        #189
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 ShadyVsEminem said:
If this clown is worth so much why aint he paying people?
He is worth so much because he AINT paying people
 7 years ago '10        #190
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the f**k u bump dis old a.ss thread 4
 11-03-2010, 06:24 AM         #191
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birdmans leathers so soft he pops bottles and wayne stunts like his daddy with a S on his chest cuz they takin over:cool-smiley-009:
f**k THIS THREAD what the f**k you care where that n*ggas is making his money from
you should go and get your cake up,.
 11-03-2010, 06:38 AM         #192
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Dont answer this dude he the feds, trolling to get as much info as he can to jack n*ggas

Hes Narcing in the thread, read all his posts, why else he so concerned with anothers mans pockets for?
 7 years ago '06        #193
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i know there isnt 13 pages of information based on the wrong s**t...


someone of the first page had it close but not right. the forbes list measures a persons NETWORTH. This does not mean this person makes that much every year for damn sure and it does not have nothing to do with how much their brand makes each year. Networth would include how much money is estimated to be in this persons bank, all of his invested a.ssests such as houses stocks and jewelry, and then includes how much his share of other companies is worth. Just because a company made 100 million one year doesnt mean the company got back 100 million its fairly likely that it only saw half or less of it honestly, and depending on how much they put back into the company would be another factor in calculating this networth. the company itself has a.ssest which go towards this such as how much a major company may think lil waynes royalties are worth. they are worth as much as jiggas from what ive heard and his are set to be released to him and then resold for 50 mil. Here's the thing those yall, unless your buying historic vehicles your car loses value instantly whether its a honda accord or a bugatti. thats not a positive investment, everytime he buys an exotic car he loses money from his networth basically because the 1.5 mil he spent on it can not be recouped off that car. Jewerly is a good investment because typically as long as you take care of it you will resale for more just like a house. On top of that, this is cash money, aside from wayne most of the entire lifespan of cash money was hot but not huge in radio world like jig and puff...plus birdman isnt the founder or the sole owner of it cause his brother is the one who started the s**t. he just dont f**k with the lime he let baby be the image. so most of you guys are wrong as hell of gp already. think about how much cash this n*gga blows on waynes drug addiction....on waynes studio time...on all the artists studio time the cash money has had that turned out to not be s**t, think about any materialistic thing that wasnt jewelery that youve seen from cash money and you can garuntee yourself the reason behind why he isnt on forbes. its not because this muff**ka is private and the cant get his records. its hella people on there with privately owned companies. and no wayne does not have more money than jigga people need to stop being stupid. yall get the jay z laugh and reruns from when he was on hot 97 and pulled his bank account up and shut everyone the f**k up. yall arent seeing the difference between jay and puff and then baby. puff has sean john a highly prestigious line in the fashion world and got fat checks for making it exclusive to macys. he also has the royalties to many great artists. he also probably rakes in hella off of his white parties. he also has the right to half the profits of ciroc vodka which has completely eliminated 90% of other alcohols in the eyes of influential young people. Jigga propelled himself up there by his clothes his shot at liquor and more important he acquired the most important single piece of hip-hop history (def jam records) which had countless artists that he was eating off of not to mention a way deeper or consistent roster than any other label ever. even that he got rid of it because he was too damn big for def jam. jay z/puff money > birdman and his lugz
 7 years ago '08        #194
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 primetimemookie said:
i know there isnt 13 pages of information based on the wrong s**t...


someone of the first page had it close but not right. the forbes list measures a persons NETWORTH. This does not mean this person makes that much every year for damn sure and it does not have nothing to do with how much their brand makes each year. Networth would include how much money is estimated to be in this persons bank, all of his invested a.ssests such as houses stocks and jewelry, and then includes how much his share of other companies is worth. Just because a company made 100 million one year doesnt mean the company got back 100 million its fairly likely that it only saw half or less of it honestly, and depending on how much they put back into the company would be another factor in calculating this networth. the company itself has a.ssest which go towards this such as how much a major company may think lil waynes royalties are worth. they are worth as much as jiggas from what ive heard and his are set to be released to him and then resold for 50 mil. Here's the thing those yall, unless your buying historic vehicles your car loses value instantly whether its a honda accord or a bugatti. thats not a positive investment, everytime he buys an exotic car he loses money from his networth basically because the 1.5 mil he spent on it can not be recouped off that car. Jewerly is a good investment because typically as long as you take care of it you will resale for more just like a house. On top of that, this is cash money, aside from wayne most of the entire lifespan of cash money was hot but not huge in radio world like jig and puff...plus birdman isnt the founder or the sole owner of it cause his brother is the one who started the s**t. he just dont f**k with the lime he let baby be the image. so most of you guys are wrong as hell of gp already. think about how much cash this n*gga blows on waynes drug addiction....on waynes studio time...on all the artists studio time the cash money has had that turned out to not be s**t, think about any materialistic thing that wasnt jewelery that youve seen from cash money and you can garuntee yourself the reason behind why he isnt on forbes. its not because this muff**ka is private and the cant get his records. its hella people on there with privately owned companies. and no wayne does not have more money than jigga people need to stop being stupid. yall get the jay z laugh and reruns from when he was on hot 97 and pulled his bank account up and shut everyone the f**k up. yall arent seeing the difference between jay and puff and then baby. puff has sean john a highly prestigious line in the fashion world and got fat checks for making it exclusive to macys. he also has the royalties to many great artists. he also probably rakes in hella off of his white parties. he also has the right to half the profits of ciroc vodka which has completely eliminated 90% of other alcohols in the eyes of influential young people. Jigga propelled himself up there by his clothes his shot at liquor and more important he acquired the most important single piece of hip-hop history (def jam records) which had countless artists that he was eating off of not to mention a way deeper or consistent roster than any other label ever. even that he got rid of it because he was too damn big for def jam. jay z/puff money > birdman and his lugz
I stopped reading when you said it measure's a rappers networth.

n*gga, you really think Jay is worth only $63 mil?
 7 years ago '10        #195
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nothing on the forbes list is true.
 7 years ago '06        #196
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Just last year that n*gga owed 12 million in taxes. That would mean he had to make atleast 20 million to owe that.
 01-02-2011, 01:40 PM         #197
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First of all, Birdman does own a company called Bronald Oil with his brother Slim Williams. Here is the link:

Description: Bronald Oil & Gas, LLC is an independent oil and gas company focused, on the exploration, production and development of oil and gas reserves from conventional and unconventional formations. The Company is initially focused on exploration and development properties in Osage County, Oklahoma, as well as in Texas, Louisiana and Florida in the United States and in Central America.

Now remember, oil companies first have to strike oil (that's why the description states exploration) to recieve anykind of profit, personally I don't think this is the best move as all financial gurus know the oil industries are a thing of the past. Soon everyone will be putting their monies into more efficient fuels like hemp. Read the Forbes interview with the baron Mr. Hunt who admits to these industries going under/needing innovation. Either way, this could be lucractive for the two and I am glad to see they are expanding out.

Anyone who has researched Forbes know the numbers are not accurate, they are estimates. Forbes itself mentions calling billionares to ask permission for them to be listed and they decline. As J Getty stated long ago, if you can't count your money, you're not rich. Birdman obviously is smart financially, as he runs a limited liability corporation with a deal that lands them way more ownership of the things they do. This can't be said for the rest of the game (even Jay-Z with Rockefeller). It takes Jay-Z 10x as much work to make as much money as they do, based on contracts. What many music fans fail to understand is contracts, everything is contractual, forget who looks like they are making money on the front (as it was stated many people rent items), what does the contract and the financial statements look like?

Since you have no obligation as a Privately held organization to show your records to anyone, (unless the IRS asks, and even then, those with skilled jurisprudence on their team can bypass the IRS) then no one will ever truly know how much money you have. These people estimate that Birdman had accumulated $40 million at the age of 22. That's impressive. He also states in a song that he had $1 million at the age of 15. That's street money, who knows everything this guy is doing. He states his next goal is to get to a billion so we know he is at least in the upper hundred million range.

Don't be confused by the buying of flashy items and cars. Birdman also owns a real estate, and car dealership business where people rent and buy these items. When Hurrican Katrina hit, he said he lost it all, around 20 homes and hundreds of cars, do you think he would just own these just to have them? No. Its all a business move

He will hit the billionaire mark with the team of people he's put together with Young Money (and even those outside of hip-hop/rap), a team STILL owned by him and his brother, just like Yum! Brands owns Taco Bell.

Learn business structures, learn contracts. Have you all seen Drake's contract? They didn't just throw him around, he knew what he was doing, Birdman will not be banking off of him, he came into the deal as a business man, and established a contract that will help him, and make sure he still gets paid. A lot of people talk about Birdman ripping people off, but his artists still reap a good amount of money, much more then they would from a corporate label like Columbia, Atlantic, etc. He is the owner of a label, and thus has more responsibilities other then just rapping or performing, we"re talking running a business, he should have a massive amount of money in comparison to his artists.

Either way, Birdman is up there with the top earners in music.
 7 years ago '05        #198
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 primetimemookie said:
i know there isnt 13 pages of information based on the wrong s**t...


someone of the first page had it close but not right. the forbes list measures a persons NETWORTH. This does not mean this person makes that much every year for damn sure and it does not have nothing to do with how much their brand makes each year. Networth would include how much money is estimated to be in this persons bank, all of his invested a.ssests such as houses stocks and jewelry, and then includes how much his share of other companies is worth. Just because a company made 100 million one year doesnt mean the company got back 100 million its fairly likely that it only saw half or less of it honestly, and depending on how much they put back into the company would be another factor in calculating this networth. the company itself has a.ssest which go towards this such as how much a major company may think lil waynes royalties are worth. they are worth as much as jiggas from what ive heard and his are set to be released to him and then resold for 50 mil. Here's the thing those yall, unless your buying historic vehicles your car loses value instantly whether its a honda accord or a bugatti. thats not a positive investment, everytime he buys an exotic car he loses money from his networth basically because the 1.5 mil he spent on it can not be recouped off that car. Jewerly is a good investment because typically as long as you take care of it you will resale for more just like a house. On top of that, this is cash money, aside from wayne most of the entire lifespan of cash money was hot but not huge in radio world like jig and puff...plus birdman isnt the founder or the sole owner of it cause his brother is the one who started the s**t. he just dont f**k with the lime he let baby be the image. so most of you guys are wrong as hell of gp already. think about how much cash this n*gga blows on waynes drug addiction....on waynes studio time...on all the artists studio time the cash money has had that turned out to not be s**t, think about any materialistic thing that wasnt jewelery that youve seen from cash money and you can garuntee yourself the reason behind why he isnt on forbes. its not because this muff**ka is private and the cant get his records. its hella people on there with privately owned companies. and no wayne does not have more money than jigga people need to stop being stupid. yall get the jay z laugh and reruns from when he was on hot 97 and pulled his bank account up and shut everyone the f**k up. yall arent seeing the difference between jay and puff and then baby. puff has sean john a highly prestigious line in the fashion world and got fat checks for making it exclusive to macys. he also has the royalties to many great artists. he also probably rakes in hella off of his white parties. he also has the right to half the profits of ciroc vodka which has completely eliminated 90% of other alcohols in the eyes of influential young people. Jigga propelled himself up there by his clothes his shot at liquor and more important he acquired the most important single piece of hip-hop history (def jam records) which had countless artists that he was eating off of not to mention a way deeper or consistent roster than any other label ever. even that he got rid of it because he was too damn big for def jam. jay z/puff money > birdman and his lugz

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 01-02-2011, 03:33 PM         #199
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birdman is full of s**t..........wayne a sucka if he doesnt leave and start his own s**t.....wayne can make way more without da label....at this point wayne doesn;t even need a label anymore....IMO
 7 years ago '08        #200
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Simple question simple answer he does not earn enough to make the list...
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