Has Jay-Z ever dealt with any great adversity?

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 08-18-2010, 08:57 AM         #41
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 Swisher sweet said:


His nephews are like his sons to him. He talks about them all the time. That's his blood. And it obviously did something to him emotionally for him to touch on it in his songs.

How was it not as big as proof dying for?
Eminem had proof by his side since forever. It's the time together.
 7 years ago '04        #42
erickonasis 20 heat pts20
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 China Man said:
Well not having a dad and a crackhead mom isn't really average. Most people have 1, but it's not common to have someone grow up and not care if their parents both died.

Proof's death was big.
n*ggas die every day ....and there are tons of kids who grow up w/o fathers....Growing up in the 80's early 90's that s**t was the norm n*gga
 08-18-2010, 09:00 AM         #43
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 Dead Prezidents said:
you damn right.... I quickly went through this whole post and only saw Jay-z s**t from 2000 til now, but they dont know bout that "in my lifetime vol. 1"

I was going to post the song "you must love me"

Since my date of birth, bought you nothing but hurt
play those video games, stole change from ya purse
Sat on the cold court bench, 'til I was arraigned in ya skirt
Saw the pain in ya face, through you maintained a smirk
All you did was motivate me, don't let 'em hold you back
What I do I turned around and I sold you crack
I was a bastard for that
still I'm drowning in shame
Just remember one thing now, you're not to blame
You was newly seperated, tryin' to escape ya world
and through my thirst, I didn't help you I just made things worse
I hated me and everybody that created crack
Had me thinkin' the newest kicks and the latest gats
Still haven't apologized, so please play this back
while I try to come to terms, with such a heinous act
you know in more than one way, cocaine numbs the brain
All I did was think about, how the funds once came
then I ran across this memory, and it stung the brain
How can you ever destroy the beauty, from which one came
That's a savage you're the reason why me and these beats make a marriage
why I rhyme above average and I ain't s**t
Glad you got yourself together, no thanks to me
Strong and beautiful the way things should be
You must love me


you're questioning adversity? in the second verse he raps about how he shot his own brother
He didn't k!ll his brother. I mean it's a situation he kind of controlled and how he reacted, so you'd say the adversity was getting his jewelry stolen. lol

I guess that kind of contradicts what I said about eminem making the racist song... so you can still X that out and still have it there.
 7 years ago '04        #44
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 China Man said:
Nobody is hating. Did you read my post or just skim through it?
believe me its hate ur seeing one side of the situation

I dont even see how you equate having a childhood friend die and one of ur nephews that are so close to you they are like one of your own sons die in a car accident and the car you bought, not being close enough. People deal with certain situations differently.
 7 years ago '05        #45
Swisher sweet 87 heat pts87
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I'm gonna post this s**t again...

 China Man said:
No, it's not. Yeah it's serious s**t, but it's not as big as proof dying.

 Swisher sweet said:


His nephews are like his sons to him. He talks about them all the time. That's his blood. And it obviously did something to him emotionally for him to touch on it in his songs.

How was it not as big as proof dying for?
AND his nephew died all while he was going thru the break up with Dame one of his best friends and dealing wit the Def Jam situation.

I believe I read that he went to therapy at some point, didn't say what it was for but I can imagine those things were brought up
 7 years ago '10        #46
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 youngbasedkltn said:
he sacrificed his soul in illuminati rituals for fame and power

 7 years ago '04        #47
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 China Man said:
Eminem had proof by his side since forever. It's the time together.
im done its obvious you cant debate with idiots...
 08-18-2010, 09:01 AM         #48
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 erickonasis said:
n*ggas die every day ....and there are tons of kids who grow up w/o fathers....Growing up in the 80's early 90's that s**t was the norm n*gga
Read my dude.

but it's not common to have someone grow up and not care if their parents both died.
That's a reflection of his mom pretty much not being there for him.

Like I said kids may not have 2 parents, but most have 2. It's not common for a kid to have BOTH parents pretty much not there in their lives, in this situation it's worst, it's 1 that pretty much hates you.
 08-18-2010, 09:02 AM         #49
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 DJ Maximum said:
im done its obvious you cant debate with idiots...
Thats what people say when they have nothing else to say.
 08-18-2010, 09:03 AM         #50
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lmao @ the maddox pic, that guy still alive? i havent heard or seen that name since AOL was popular....wow......
 7 years ago '04        #51
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 China Man said:
Thats what people say when they have nothing else to say.
Nah its obvious ur retarded attention wh0ore.
 08-18-2010, 09:05 AM         #52
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oh and jay-z's story is that he was supposedly poor, and his pops left when he was young and sold crack....."supposedly" he made $100,000 before he went into rocafella but i think thats bulls**t, i think he just sold alittle bit of crack until he ran into Damon and they just sold that drug dealing image.......
 7 years ago '05        #53
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 China Man said:
Eminem had proof by his side since forever. It's the time together.
I am going to a.ssume that you DO NOT listen to Jay-Z albums in full. All he talks about are his damn nephews and raising them like they are his own. HIS BLOOD, one of them died in a car that he bought for him. Can you imagine how traumatizing that can be for someone? Plus according to "Lost One" Colleeks (his nephew) girlfriend was also pregnant.

How is this not as bad or even worst than someone losing their bestfriend?
 08-18-2010, 09:06 AM         #54
China Man  OP
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Ya'll are completely misunderstanding the post.

No f**kin s**t he's gone through adversity, is that even the thread title? Learn to think about the CORE of what I'm asking before sitting here pretty answering like dumb a.sses. Ya'll POSTING songs when I've already addressed that part. I've already said he can be argued as the GOAT. And I've said in other posts, including this one, he's OBVIOUSLY gone through a lot.

I am speaking of one GREAT big adversity he's had to go through, that could of literally derailed his life/career.

his nephews were reliant on HIM, not the other way around <<<--- THAT is why I'm trying to tell ya'll, it's not as great as the other situations.
 08-18-2010, 09:07 AM         #55
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 DJ Maximum said:
Nah its obvious ur retarded attention wh0ore.
Yeah man, I'm an attention wh0ore. THat's exactly why I posted this thread.
 08-18-2010, 09:08 AM         #56
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 China Man said:
Well not having a dad and a crackhead mom isn't really average. Most people have 1, but it's not common to have someone grow up and not care if their parents both died.

Proof's death was big.
where's the proof that eminem's mom was a crackhead? she seems like a perfectly nice lady to me
 7 years ago '04        #57
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 DJ Maximum said:
im done its obvious you cant debate with idiots...
agreed
 08-18-2010, 09:12 AM         #58
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 WorldsStrangest said:
oh and jay-z's story is that he was supposedly poor, and his pops left when he was young and sold crack....."supposedly" he made $100,000 before he went into rocafella but i think thats bulls**t, i think he just sold alittle bit of crack until he ran into Damon and they just sold that drug dealing image.......
That's what I'm tryna say. That's his story that's being sold. I'm talking about a great adversity that can be sold from Jay-Z.

His nephew dying is adversity, no s**t, however that's not part of his brand image. I'm telling yall, the average hip hop fan probably wouldn't be able to tell you his nephew dying. Average hip hop fan as in one that listens to main stream singles, mostly.

The story of Jay-Z is what was written in the quote above << ---- you don't ever see, his nephew dying as part of it unless you get into details.
 08-18-2010, 09:13 AM         #59
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 D.S.O.M. said:
so your saying
Jay-z is the GOAT(arguably) but since he hasn't faced a great adversity (in your opinion)
you can't give him full respect??

ok
Yeah, that's what I said. I can't give him full respect.

My dude, I respect all these people who have made it. Every single one. (well probably about 90%).
 7 years ago '05        #60
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 China Man said:

I am speaking of one GREAT big adversity he's had to go through, that could of literally derailed his life/career.

his nephews were reliant on HIM, not the other way around <<<--- THAT is why I'm trying to tell ya'll, it's not as great as the other situations.
it doesnt matter who was relying on who. just because his nephew relied on him doesnt mean that when his nephew died it didnt GREATLY effect him. if you dont think that ANYONE that you have a very close relationship with losing their life in a car that you bought couldnt be what you call "great adversity" then i dont know what to do for you . while mind you dismantling one of the biggest record labels at the time and ending a friendship with a long time friend
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