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 8 years ago '08        #201
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 05-24-2010, 09:38 PM         #202
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 JOHNSNAKE06 said:
I am not saying that consensus makes it fact. And I don't mean consensus among media and fans, I'm talking about people in the sport, and that have been around the sport for decades, that have seen greats come and go, have played alongside and against the best. Both players are great scorers, but Kobe is a better defender, rebounder, post player, shooter, and is fundamentally and physically superior to Iverson. As a basketball player Kobe is vastly superior to Iverson. As a scorer you can argue that Iverson was better, but not as a basketball player. The part about Kobe going for 30 pts, 7 rebs. and 5 asts and Iverson going for 30 pts, 7 asts and 2 steals is true. But Kobe could dominate a game in every aspect that Iverson could, but Iverson couldn't do everything that Kobe can. There are very few things that Kobe can't do on the basketball court, he doesn't have many holes in his game. Iverson on the other hand has more limitations, partly due to his stature.
Now Lebron is a better defender than Kobe; because of his shot blocking...Their on-ball defense intimidates opponents pretty much the same... Lebron is a better rebounder; and is physically superior.. Now does that automatically make him better than Kobe? Personally I think Lebron is a better player than Kobe. You probably dont... and what are the reasons? I hope now we dont try to use TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENTS to seperate the two. You see my point.. People use 1 argument to claim 1 player is better than the other, but when the argument goes against that player then they deflect to something else..

If you are going to say Kobe > Iverson, because of height, rebounds, defense, etc.. then Lebron > Kobe, for height, rebounds, defense.. should hold the same weight... Is all I'm saying..
 8 years ago '08        #203
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 8 years ago '06        #204
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Now Lebron is a better defender than Kobe; because of his shot blocking...Their on-ball defense intimidates opponents pretty much the same... Lebron is a better rebounder; and is physically superior.. Now does that automatically make him better than Kobe? Personally I think Lebron is a better player than Kobe. You probably dont... and what are the reasons? I hope now we dont try to use TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENTS to seperate the two. You see my point.. People use 1 argument to claim 1 player is better than the other, but when the argument goes against that player then they deflect to something else..

If you are going to say Kobe > Iverson, because of height, rebounds, defense, etc.. then Lebron > Kobe, for height, rebounds, defense.. should hold the same weight... Is all I'm saying..
You completely ignored the point about shooting and fundamentals, Kobe is a more skilled player than Lebron, fundamentally better, and mentally tougher. Kobe has a better post game, a better mid-range game, is better off the ball, has better footwork, a better shot, a more complete offensive game, and controls a game better. And I don't think Kobe is consistently as as good an on ball defender as he used to be, but I think he is still better than Lebron on the ball. Also, it may sound cliche or overblown, but he is a better clutch player. Lebron is without question, more physically gifted, and is the best combination of speed, power and athleticism that I have ever seen in the NBA, but he isn't as skilled. Kobe is a better basketball player, Lebron is a more talented player. Lebron is statistically better, but he isn't the better basketball player. There is a difference between being more talented, being a better/more skilled player, putting up numbers, and being a great player. For example, Stephon Marbury is a more talented player than Steve Nash, yet Steve Nash is a better basketball player than Stephon Marbury. Statistically Oscar Robertson was better than Magic Johnson, but Magic Johnson is greater than Oscar Robertson. Being more talented doesn't mean you are a better player, and doesn't always translate into greatness. Kobe is currently the best combination of skill, talent, intangibles and greatness in the NBA.


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 8 years ago '06        #205
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kobe is a better scorer thas it... bron is a better rebounder passer and shot blocker...
 05-25-2010, 03:00 AM         #206
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@ anyone saying iverson is >>> Kobe


And @ the lebron stans saying lebron is better ....


Kobe has the best midrange game ever and his knowledge of the game & Will to win is what seperates him from the rest just like MJ....


anyone arguing lebron right now doesnt know basketball you can spit all the stats you want to but that doesnt come close to Kobe's drive that lebron just doesnt have right now
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