You yourself said not talk about "what ifs", "because this", "he has this". You also defend Shaq by saying no center has gotten done alone. No player has gotten it done alone, and need quality players around them, so how can you discredit Kobe for not winning with the team he played with in between Shaq and Gasol. You rank guys like Ray Allen, who didn't get close to winning as the main option and didn't win until he was teamed up with two other great players, ahead of Kobe. The same can be said about Pierce and KG. Gary Payton and Clyde Drexler didn't win until the end of their careers as role players on good teams. Chris Weber, Vince Carter, and Patrick Ewing didn't win many individual awards, aren't statistically better than Kobe, and didn't win any championships. Iverson, Miller and Barkley, while great, only had one real shot at a title and all came up short. Stockton and Malone, are two HOF players, two of the top 50 players of all-time, together they couldn't get it done. And by the logic that you use to discredit Kobe, Pippen can't be ranked ahead of Kobe either. He had the benefit of playing alongside the GOAT, and was unsuccessful when he played without him. The bottom line is Kobe is a four time champion, and in a position to win more. No "what ifs", no excuses, it is what it is.
Pippen took the Bulls to the Eastern Semis without Mike.. (Kobe didnt get out the first round)
Ray Allen was the team Iverson beat in the CONF Finals the year he went to the Finals (Kobe didnt get out the first round)
Pierce also was in the ECF (kobe didnt get out the first round)
Chris Webber is still in conspiracy talks after Tim Donaghy said that series was fixed.
Patrick lost in the Finals, and was on the bench for the 2nd.
Vince was just flat out amazing in his hayday..
Gary bummed a ring later, but he also had the bad luck of facing Jordan in the Finals.
Again I dont see how top 30 in a sport with over 1000+ athletes is a bad thing. To me Kobe benefitted from being on a lot of great teams, again its not a knock on him, but out of everybody who once had to do it alone, he was suppose to be the superior talent, but he struggled the most. I mean 3-1 lead and you cant close out, the man who once scored 63 points in 3 quarters, and all he had to do was put 1 win together on a team who played no defense.. come on guy!