Official UFC 113 (Machida vs. Shogun 2) - Shogun KO's Machida in 1st round

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Who will win this HUGE rematch?
Shogun the Rock Star will win! 34 53.97%
Machida the Karate Master who drinks pee will win! 26 41.27%
I dont care, im a sour boxing fanboy who hates MMA 3 4.76%
Voters: 63. Sorry, you cannot vote on this poll (Boxden members only)

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 8 years ago '05        #41
katalist 231 heat pts231 OP
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already got a thread up for this, no need for another
 8 years ago '05        #42
katalist 231 heat pts231 OP
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 StillFree28 said:
I think I'll take Shogun for the main event

Daley and Kos is a toss up, but the longer that Kos stands with Daley, the better the chance that Daley with knock him out.

Still got Kimbo via gogoplata or inverted triangle, Tony Imada style
Should be a great night of f!ghts no doubt!! :dancingcool:
 05-08-2010, 01:10 PM         #43
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^^^ only reason i made a thread is for all the f!ghts not just machida & shogun. Figured yours was just a machida shogun poll
 05-08-2010, 01:11 PM         #44
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first f!ght sucked, hopefully someone takes some risks this time around
 05-08-2010, 01:34 PM         #45
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 stacks050 said:
why not post the whole card ?
all u got to do is click link in the first post, it has all the f!ghts.
 8 years ago '05        #46
katalist 231 heat pts231 OP
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 22k said:
first f!ght sucked, hopefully someone takes some risks this time around
First f!ght sucked?
Just because it wasnt a knockout or Submission doesnt mean its boring
 8 years ago '04        #47
ghettofied 357 heat pts357
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Post some streams you f**ks. I wanna watch the Kimbo f!ght and the main title f!ght.
 8 years ago '07        #48
dipset121 39 heat pts39
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shogun!!!!
 8 years ago '07        #49
RJ96 8 heat pts
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Shogun my n*gga Kimbo, Daley and Cote FTW
 05-08-2010, 02:36 PM         #50
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 ghettofied said:
Post some streams you f**ks. I wanna watch the Kimbo f!ght and the main title f!ght.
isn't no streams up yet i believe, its way to early. There will be plenty closer to the f!ght.
 8 years ago '05        #51
katalist 231 heat pts231 OP
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Just watching the Weigh ins right now
Hyped for this s**t!
 8 years ago '06        #52
vinceisallin 12 heat pts12
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 +Ca[N]o[N]iKaL+ said:
What? Most of what you said is incomprehensible. Given your logic, does Machida then have the advantage in striking? How's that possible if they were "trading"?

Also, because Shogun gassed (and was injured) in the 1st round and was submitted by Forrest, his BJJ is weak? You're seriously underestimating Forrest's BJJ if you think that because Shogun got caught in a RNC, that he still does not have the advantage on the ground in this f!ght.

So I'm guessing that Travis Lutter (super legit BJJ black belt) mat work is weak as well, because he got caught in a Triangle by Anderson. Or I guess Matt Serra's striking is better than GSP's because Serra knocked GSP out the 1st time they fought? Hopefully you see where I'm going with this. It's MMA, these things happen sometimes.

And @ your recollection of Machida/Tito. Machida never "slammed" him; it was a trip from the clinch. And @ you trying to discredit Shogun's BJJ, when Machida got caught in a Triangle by TITO f**kING ORTIZ. Are you kidding me? He's never submitted anyone in his career!

So it sounds like YOU really know what YOU'RE talking about.

Or not.
Why would i even think about Shoguns ground game, when he failed every takedown attemped. Maybe you can understand that?????

Machida < tito < forrest < shogun. Can you comprehend that?

Idc if it was a sweep or not, he picked his feet off the ground and dropped him pretty hard. The point that you missed to see,was that machida made tito look like a punk grappling. Tito is a great wrestler that happened to dominate forrest on the ground ( both times they fought). Machida is a karate guy, and shogun does muay thia, so who cares who has better ground game. THE FIRST f!ght WAS ALL STAND UP, so please make a point worth making.

Your whole arguement is about shoguns GREAT ground game, when the guy has 15 koes and 1 submission........ . BTW machida has 2 submissions. Look up black house gym, and you will see that machida trains with the best jiu jitsu player in the WORLD.

GET A CLUE... Over here talking bout travis " poor conditioning" lutter
 8 years ago '04        #53
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 WilliamHBonnie said:
I'm amped as f**k for that one.

Daley is going to wreck Josh IMO
i dunno dog Koscheck's stand up gets better and better and KOS got em on the ground too, so its going to be a good one, i dont think Paul Daley is ready for a top welterweight right now, i mean he beats Hazlett and Kampmann and gets a shot a KOS for a shot at GSP? KOS's win over Anthony Johnson was more impressive than both of those, I got KOS by submission
 8 years ago '05        #54
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 vinceisallin said:
Why would i even think about Shoguns ground game, when he failed every takedown attemped. Maybe you can understand that?????

Machida < tito < forrest < shogun. Can you comprehend that?

Idc if it was a sweep or not, he picked his feet off the ground and dropped him pretty hard. The point that you missed to see,was that machida made tito look like a punk grappling. Tito is a great wrestler that happened to dominate forrest on the ground ( both times they fought). Machida is a karate guy, and shogun does muay thia, so who cares who has better ground game. THE FIRST f!ght WAS ALL STAND UP, so please make a point worth making.

Your whole arguement is about shoguns GREAT ground game, when the guy has 15 koes and 1 submission........ . BTW machida has 2 submissions. Look up black house gym, and you will see that machida trains with the best jiu jitsu player in the WORLD.

GET A CLUE... Over here talking bout travis " poor conditioning" lutter
Alright, I can see you're one of those idiots that's it's no point in trying to have a good discussion with, so I'll keep this brief.

"Machida < tito < forrest < shogun"

^^You're a got damn fool if you really believe that. Stop watching MMA immediately.

Second, you're referring to one Machida f!ght...with TITO F*CKING ORTIZ! When was the last time he beat someone relevant?!

I'll wait...

Give up?

Ken Shamrock....in 2006. When Shamrock was at the end of his career, lol.

"Machida is a karate guy, and shogun does muay thia, so who cares who has better ground game."

^^This is MMA, jerky boy. Mixed Martial Arts. If you don't have a ground game, you better have a sick f**king sprawl & elite TDD to keep the f!ght from going to the mat. The ground game is very important.

Just from that comment, I can tell you're one of those "why don't they just stand & bang" type of MMA "fans."

"Your whole arguement is about shoguns GREAT ground game, when the guy has 15 koes and 1 submission........ . BTW machida has 2 submissions. Look up black house gym, and you will see that machida trains with the best jiu jitsu player in the WORLD."

I never said Shogun had a GREAT ground game. I said I was giving him the "advantage" in this f!ght, d*ck head. Just because he only has one submission doesn't mean that his sub defense isn't top-notch. Are you aware of that?

And woo hoo, Machida has one more submission victory than Shogun. Do you know who it was that he submitted? Weak a.ss Sokoudjou, who's not even in the UFC anymore, , and has resorted to "superf!ghts" with the like of Minowaman, .

Also, I'm very familiar with Black House gym. And? What's your point? He trains with both Nogs, Anderson & Jacare. Terrific.

Now go be a d*ck head somewhere else. Please.


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 8 years ago '06        #55
vinceisallin 12 heat pts12
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Machida < tito < forrest < shogun- Sorry bud,thats facts. machida beat tito, tito beat forrest, and forrest beat shogun. Idk why i even replied,but here we go.

You are once again defendin the ground game of shogun, when the first f!ght he failed every takedown attemp. I showed the number of submissions to show you its a small percent of both f!ghters records (so chances are slim for a ground war).
 8 years ago '05        #56
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 all3rd said:
Outside of Rua kicking out Machida legs in the 5th round the f!ght was really dull.
It was just a really technical f!ght.

Sometimes that happens when you have two evenly matched f!ghters who have studied each other quite a bit, and know each others' game beforehand pretty well.

Either way, I expect someone to try and finish tonight. Can't wait.
 8 years ago '05        #57
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 vinceisallin said:
Machida < tito < forrest < shogun- Sorry bud,thats facts. machida beat tito, tito beat forrest, and forrest beat shogun. Idk why i even replied,but here we go.


I"m done with you.

@ you passing that bulls*it off as "facts."

Then what do you use to back up your claim?

MMA Math?!

I'm dying here, fam.

Also, Forrest beat Tito the last time they fought, so I guess that means they cancel other out, and are no longer apart of this equation?

Enjoy the f!ghts tonight, bro.
 8 years ago '06        #58
vinceisallin 12 heat pts12
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Your guy shogun has good ground game. Its just a shame he isn't skilled enough to takedown machida down. Tonight you will see the truth, and then you can come and troll about the stand up war you witnessed. I am a d`ck head, but not a bias dumba$$.
 8 years ago '04        #59
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 vinceisallin said:
Machida < tito < forrest < shogun- Sorry bud,thats facts. machida beat tito, tito beat forrest, and forrest beat shogun. Idk why i even replied,but here we go.

You are once again defendin the ground game of shogun, when the first f!ght he failed every takedown attemp. I showed the number of submissions to show you its a small percent of both f!ghters records (so chances are slim for a ground war).


tito<forrest< well see about the other two tonight

tito is washed up and is not relevant anymore, he cannot be an elite 205 pounder right now..sorry


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 8 years ago '05        #60
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 vinceisallin said:
Your guy shogun has good ground game. Its just a shame he isn't skilled enough to takedown machida down. Tonight you will see the truth, and then you can come and troll about the stand up war you witnessed. I am a d`ck head, but not a bias dumba$$.
Who's biased?!

I'm a fan of both f!ghters, bro.

You got all up in arms because I said I gave the ground advantage to Shogun, which is where I was expecting the f!ght to go, considering that it was pretty much a stalemate on the feet the first time they fought.
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