I would like to Re-visit the 2005-2006 NBA MVP race...

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 8 years ago '06        #21
philly337 20 heat pts20
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 P. Dedos said:
can somebody please show me when a 7th seed team had the MVP


go ahead ill wait


if thats the case then flash got robbed last season for his MVP award


theres no conspiracy against finga bryant and the great ratings that the lakers bring in to the nba


agreed...wade beat lebron acroos the board on everything except rebounds.And the heat had the worst record in the league the year before without wade and made it to the playoffs the next
 8 years ago '06        #22
modalee 5 heat pts
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 8 years ago '06        #23
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 ginobili 20 said:
this debate been played out, we heard it all by know... nash won cause he was white and the media hated bryant blah blah.....bottom line is they don't give the mvp to a player with a #7 seed... just doesn't happen right or wrong.... get over it

nash made marion a 4 time all star, he deserves at least 1 of them mvps for that alone
Marion was an all star before Nash got there same with Amare.
 8 years ago '09        #24
TheG1ftedOne 4 heat pts OP
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 P. Dedos said:
yes and so and so forth

even the one kobe actually has shouldnt be his


this award is for the top seeds of the confrence plain and simple


THE GOAT put up 37 ppg shooting 50% on season and he didnt win it conspiracy!!
Yeah and his team also was under .500 Cant use that argument.

But damn I went to take a shower and this thing 2 pages already?

Thanks P Dot... for your contribution to this thread
 8 years ago '09        #25
TheG1ftedOne 4 heat pts OP
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 modalee81 said:
Marion was an all star before Nash got there same with Amare.
 8 years ago '08        #26
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 modalee81 said:
Marion was an all star before Nash got there same with Amare.
Amare never made the All Star team before Nash got there
 8 years ago '09        #27
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 philly337 said:
lol let's revistit 07-08 mvp....i want to know why kobe won over chris paul

paul (56-26)
21.1 ppg, 11.6 apg, 4 rpg, 2.7 spg, 49% fg%, 36% 3pt%

lead league in a.ssists ANNNDDD steals

all na 1st team and all defensive second team (bulls**t haha..first team easily)

bryant (57-25)
28.3 ppg, 5.4 apg, 6.3 rpg, 1.8 spg, 46% fg%, 36% 3pt%

all nba first team and all defensive first team (paul > kobe on defense that year not even close)

and kobe as u see now has wayyyyyyy better players around him

yea nobody talking about that..that n*ggas hands down deserved that s**t
 05-01-2010, 02:09 PM         #28
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note: nash won back to back mvp's the summer after bird was interviewed b**ching there are no white superstars in the league anymore, i'm not for conspiracy's but this one was quite ironic
 8 years ago '06        #29
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 Main Event said:
Amare never made the All Star team before Nash got there
This is true but he was putting up 21ppg and 9rpg BEFORE Nash got there. All Nash did was get to a team with two all star caliber players and played a hyper paced offense that won regular season games. If you replaced Nash with J Kidd or any other top pg at the time they would have done the same s**t.
 8 years ago '09        #30
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 philly337 said:
lol let's revistit 07-08 mvp....i want to know why kobe won over chris paul

paul (56-26)
21.1 ppg, 11.6 apg, 4 rpg, 2.7 spg, 49% fg%, 36% 3pt%

lead league in a.ssists ANNNDDD steals

all na 1st team and all defensive second team (bulls**t haha..first team easily)

bryant (57-25)
28.3 ppg, 5.4 apg, 6.3 rpg, 1.8 spg, 46% fg%, 36% 3pt%

all nba first team and all defensive first team (paul > kobe on defense that year not even close)

and kobe as u see now has wayyyyyyy better players around him
Im not saying Paul should have won it over Kobe but Paul put up some good numbers and could have very easily won the award, it was very close between him and Kobe. The Kobe and Nash one however, is not this close.
 8 years ago '09        #31
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 modalee81 said:
This is true but he was putting up 21ppg and 9rpg BEFORE Nash got there. All Nash did was get to a team with two all star caliber players and played a hyper paced offense that won regular season games. If you replaced Nash with J Kidd or any other top pg at the time they would have done the same s**t.
You saw what Chris Duhon did in D'Antoni's system

Case Closed
 8 years ago '09        #32
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 P. Dedos said:
i rather do that then blow a 3-1 series lead against the team with the MVP on it



I'd rather make the playoffs than be under .500

I'd rather be up 3-1 with a bunch of benchwarmers than be under .500
 8 years ago '08        #33
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 modalee81 said:
This is true but he was putting up 21ppg and 9rpg BEFORE Nash got there. All Nash did was get to a team with two all star caliber players and played a hyper paced offense that won regular season games. If you replaced Nash with J Kidd or any other top pg at the time they would have done the same s**t.
So were gonna pretend we didnt have the same team minus QRich and Nash the year before and won 28 games? Why wasnt Baron Davis dropping the same amount of a.ssists as Nash the year they upset Dallas with a roster of Monte,SJack,JRich,Al Harrington, and Dunleavy.....Stop this f**kery i could say thesame thing about Kobe put Wade on that Lakers team he puts up the same numbers and gets a 7 seed in the west
 8 years ago '06        #34
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I can make the argument of why in 2007-2008 did Kobe win the award over LeBron when James had better stats? Or why didnt Dwyane Wade win it over LeBron last year when he had better stats?

Maybe because its not all about stats.

Like someone point it out. Suns lost three key players and Nash carried that team like no one else could.

Threadstarter must be mad that LeBron won his second straight MVP. Even Jordan didnt get the MVP putting up better numbers than what Kobe did.


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 8 years ago '08        #35
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 TheG1ftedOne said:
You saw what Chris Duhon did in D'Antoni's system

Case Closed
Duhon averaged 5 a.ssists this year


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 8 years ago '06        #36
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 TheG1ftedOne said:
I want to know why Steve Nash won over Kobe?


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Kobe's 2005-2006 season:
35.4 PPG, 5 Reb, 4.5 a.ssists, 2 stls, 45% FG, 85% FT
1st team All-NBA
1st team All-Defense (I guess people forgot about this)
All-star Starter
81 point game
Averaged 43 PPG for a whole month

Team Record: 45-37 (7 seed in the West)

Kobe had absolutely no help on this team, he basically took a bunch of bench warmers on his own and STILL led his team to a playoff berth in the West, at the 7 seed. Thats all that really needs to be said. Kobe was easily the more valuble player, if you take him off that team, they would have been one of the worst teams in the league. The same cant be said for Nash. If your team makes the playoffs and you are THAT good for your team, I dont care what your record is, if you make the playoffs in the West, you should be considered for MVP no matter what seed. It would be different if Kobe put those numbers up on a 20-62 team, but he put them up on a 7 seed playoff team. That's the different between a great player and an MVP.


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Steve Nash's 2005-2006 season:
19 PPG, 4 Reb, 10.5 a.ssists, 1 stl, 51% FG, 92% FT
1st team All-NBA
All-star starter
22 a.ssist game

Team Record: 54-28 (2 seed in the West)

Steve Nash had a very good season but I want to know why his was better than Kobe's to the point he won MVP. Steve Nash's numbers are inflated becuase of the system he played in. He averaged about 7 a.ssists per game until he came to the Suns, where he averages about 11 a.ssists per game. He even played alongside another all-star in Shawn Marion. The MVP for Nash HAD to be based on his offensive numbers becuase he or his team played no defense, and if that is so, they didnt take into account the offense Nash plays in. The Suns won 9 more games than the lakers, but again, they had 2 all-star players, and some very good role players. If you would have given Kobe another all-star that year, they are winning more than 54 games, period.

I just would like to know what Nash did over Kobe that got him the MVP. Kobe had a better offensive and defensive season, clearly. The Suns won 9 more games than the Lakers but we have to take into account supporting casts, which is opinion and judgement. Like I said, Lakers still made the playoffs as a 7 seed, its not like Kobe was putting up those numbers on a bad team.

(P.S.) If Kevin Durant put those numbers up this year, he would have easily won MVP and his team was an 8 seed this year. They were already talking about him being a strong MVP canidate, and if he would have put up Kobe numbers, he would have EASILY gotten the MVP. I'm just sayin
in my opinion its because people still hated kobe for being selfish and the alleged r*pe...but most importantly, nash also had no help when his team was down and out...they had a better record than the lakers and i think that was the year they came back from being down 3-1 to the lakers in the playoffs n still won....i did think kobe deserved it cuz he had absolutely no team that year but it is what it is...nash was also balling out that year
 8 years ago '09        #37
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 Main Event said:
Duhon averaged 5 a.ssists this year
last year he put up career numbers in both pts and a.ssists (11 and 7) and everybody knows he's boo boo

He didnt play much this year becuase he is a.ss
 8 years ago '08        #38
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 TheG1ftedOne said:
last year he put up career numbers in both pts and a.ssists (11 and 7) and everybody knows he's boo boo

He didnt play much this year becuase he is a.ss
So a 2 a.ssists increase really makes this just so undisputed right That n*gga put up 5 a.ssists a game in Chicago and how are you gonna say he didnt play much when played the 2nd most minutes he's played in his career this year...Why wasnt Baron Davis dropping 10 a.ssists a game in Golden St


I love how Marion gets hype like Odom wasnt dropping 20 and 11 during the playoffs that year pretty much the same numbers Marion put up


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 05-01-2010, 03:04 PM         #39
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 Trap$tar said:
I can make the argument of why in 2007-2008 did Kobe win the award over LeBron when James had better stats? Or why didnt Dwyane Wade win it over LeBron last year when he had better stats?

Maybe because its not all about stats.

Like someone point it out. Suns lost three key players and Nash carried that team like no one else could.

Threadstarter must be mad that LeBron won his second straight MVP. Even Jordan didnt get the MVP putting up better numbers than what Kobe did.
He lost 3 key players but still had players on the bench that might of started above some of the Lakers

I agree with the idea that just because someone wins the scoring title or whatever doesn't make them the MVP. But he went above that, 43 for a month? 35 for a season with that team? I think if someone does something so much above the norm that it needs to be recognized. The cookie cutter MVP is the best player on the best team, but sometimes a players performance should force an exception.
 8 years ago '08        #40
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This n*gga said we wouldnt have been one of the worst teams in the NBA without Nash in 05-06 when were were one of the worst teams in the NBA 2 years before with Amare,Marion, and Joe

Our Starting lineup would have been

PG:Barbosa (Who missed 25games and isnt a true PG)
SG:Bell
SF:Marion
PF: Diaw(a 1st year starter who dropped a whomping 4 points a game a season before)
C:Thomas (Who missed 29 games and the playoffs)

with a bench of Eddie House and James Jones

Please tell me the 2 All Stars Nash played with that year, nobody even f**kin heard of Diaw until he got to the Suns


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