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 8 years ago '08        #61
lifetimez 
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A lot of ignorance in this thread. And for the people against the bill, just know that the American system has been f**ked up for years now, and if you need to look at an example of a great system, look at France (the best in the world) which is a universal system.

Now, obviously this is not on that level, and is not universal yet...but it is a step in the right direction, and if you know politics you'll know that there are a lot of bureaucratic and ideological hurdles to jump before any significant change is done.

It's funny how the main promise that Obama ran his campaign, which most said was an empty promise and he won't be able to do it, etc..., he did; and now the criticism is, "well its not really UNIVERSAL" "I'm gonna have to pay for it" "this sucks" etc.. Newsflash, if something as been broken for a while, it usually takes a long time to fix, at least the man showed that he can start the process.
 8 years ago '04        #62
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I just wonder if Old Rush will keep his promise and move out the country
 8 years ago '05        #63
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 lifetimez said:
A lot of ignorance in this thread. And for the people against the bill, just know that the American system has been f**ked up for years now, and if you need to look at an example of a great system, look at France (the best in the world) which is a universal system.

Now, obviously this is not on that level, and is not universal yet...but it is a step in the right direction, and if you know politics you'll know that there are a lot of bureaucratic and ideological hurdles to jump before any significant change is done.

It's funny how the main promise that Obama ran his campaign, which most said was an empty promise and he won't be able to do it, etc..., he did; and now the criticism is, "well its not really UNIVERSAL" "I'm gonna have to pay for it" "this sucks" etc.. Newsflash, if something as been broken for a while, it usually takes a long time to fix, at least the man showed that he can start the process.


haha look at France to dam funny. Well lets look at France one of the biggest socialist welfare states in Europe , were more then half of the people depend on government money. France soon to be the next Greece Soon America is gonna be the next Greece. Alos why would they pass this more then half of the American people were against this
 8 years ago '04        #64
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 lifetimez said:
A lot of ignorance in this thread. And for the people against the bill, just know that the American system has been f**ked up for years now, and if you need to look at an example of a great system, look at France (the best in the world) which is a universal system.

Now, obviously this is not on that level, and is not universal yet...but it is a step in the right direction, and if you know politics you'll know that there are a lot of bureaucratic and ideological hurdles to jump before any significant change is done.

It's funny how the main promise that Obama ran his campaign, which most said was an empty promise and he won't be able to do it, etc..., he did; and now the criticism is, "well its not really UNIVERSAL" "I'm gonna have to pay for it" "this sucks" etc.. Newsflash, if something as been broken for a while, it usually takes a long time to fix, at least the man showed that he can start the process.
Sadly, most people in our country are selfish to ever see your point.
 8 years ago '04        #65
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 Adamsville said:
sorry buddy that is BS

The Medicus Firm, a medical recruitment firm, conducted the survey

NEJM Spokeswoman confirmed survey has nothing to do with NEJM's "original research" and "was not published" by Journal. Media Matters for America contacted NEJM and received confirmation from spokeswoman Jennifer Zeis that the study had "nothing to do with the New England Journal of Medicine's original research." Zeis also made clear that the study "was not published by the New England Journal of Medicine." In fact, the Medicus Firm conducted the survey in December 2009. Medicus, a Dallas- and Atlanta-based firm that recruits and places physicians in jobs was responsible for conducting the survey. It issued a press release about the results on December 17, 2009. The report then appeared in Recruiting Physicians Today, an employment newsletter produced by the Massachusetts Medical Society, "the publishers of the New England Journal of Medicine."

The Medicus Firm - a medical recruiting firm -- conducted the survey in December 2009. The Medicus Firm, a Dallas- and Atlanta-based firm that recruits and places physicians in jobs, was responsible for conducting the survey. It issued a press release about the results on December 17, 2009. A report written by the Medicus Firm subsequently appeared in Recruiting Physicians Today, an employment newsletter produced by Massachusetts Medical Society, "the publishers of the New England Journal of Medicine." The report also appeared on the NEJM "CareerCenter" website, but was taken down on March 17.

Methodology consisted of emailing doctors in the Medicus Firm's database. The NEJM CareerCenter article indicated that "[t]he survey sample was randomly selected from a physician database of thousands. The database has been built over the past eight years by The Medicus Firm (formerly Medicus Partners and The MD Firm) from a variety of sources including, but not limited to, public directories, purchased lists, practice inquiries, training programs, and direct mail responses. The survey was conducted via emails sent directly to physicians."

Survey write-up was essentially a promotional document for the firm. After discussing the results of its survey, Medicus touted the importance of physician recruitment firms "[a]fter health reform is passed and implemented":

"What does this mean for physician recruiting? It's difficult to predict with absolute certainty, but one consequence is inevitable. After health reform is passed and implemented, physicians will be more in demand than ever before. Shortages could be exacerbated further beyond the predictions of industry analysts. Therefore, the strongest physician recruiters and firms will be in demand. Additionally, hospitals and practices may be forced to rely on unprecedented recruitment methods to attract and retain physicians. "Health reform, even if it's passed in a most diluted form, could be a game-changer for physician recruitment," said Bob Collins, managing partner of The Medicus Firm in Texas. "As competitive as the market is now, we may not even be able to comprehend how challenging it will become after health reform takes effect."
More doctors having to care for more patients, with lower wages to accompany the higher doctoral "supply" needed for hospitals, the government making judgment on how much doctors should be paid,

Stretching budgets will become more commonplace once this gets going, just as what has occurred in Canada.....having to work more for less pay.

The percentage amounts may be off, but I wouldn't be so pessimistic.

This country seems to have an increasingly hard time learning from example.
 03-22-2010, 12:14 AM         #66
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how much will a 21 year old n*gga on unemployment like me have to pay for this?
 8 years ago '08        #67
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 bobbysteels18 said:
haha look at France to dam funny. Well lets look at France one of the biggest socialist welfare states in Europe , were more then half of the people depend on government money. France soon to be the next Greece Soon America is gonna be the next Greece. Alos why would they pass this more then half of the American people were against this
I'm not gonna waste my time with someone who has no idea wtf they're talking about.

And no, half of America weren't against this bill.
 8 years ago '05        #68
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 chardonnay said:
how much will a 21 year old n*gga on unemployment like me have to pay for this?
If you arent paying taxes you dont have to worry about a fee/fine/tax for not having some form of insurance (private or public)
 8 years ago '04        #69
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im laughing at people saying money dont matter
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 bobbysteels18 said:
Well I can post something else.







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 03-22-2010, 12:23 AM         #71
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 shadymilkman said:
im laughing at people saying money dont matter
like 50 said, if money aint changed you, you aint makin enough.
 8 years ago '05        #72
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But hey enough of me talking s**t. this bill has been pasted. I think this met be a good thing only time will tell. But i no this bill can't be half as bad as the free trade bill with china. I mean give it time and see how it works out.


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 8 years ago '07        #73
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All he has to do now is eventually get our a.sses out of that war and he'll be 2 for 2 on his major campaigns

keep in mind he also is increasing grants for schools too

you guys should realize there isn't many presidents who actually have the balls to even attempt this much less be successful. Giv him his props
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 DaKidB.A.N.K.$ said:
Yeah if you think about people who go to school to be doctors pay hundreds of thousands dollars and accumulate all that student debt to not make any money now. Being a doctor isn't an easy 80,000 and then pay it off like a bachelor degree. they get paid good money cause they devote 10 years or sometimes more to be interns and pay for school while making no money. gtfoh. I would be pissed too.
pissed by what? that theyll pay off their student loans in 4 years rather than 3? believe me, a doctor fresh outa med school will not be starving or struggling anytime soon.
 8 years ago '04        #75
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O, dont worry, doctors will still make their money.
 8 years ago '05        #76
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damn some people already quick to a.ssume the worst. I'll stay optimistic and believe this is a good thing, if not a good first step in taking care of people that need help in the first place. It won't be until a couple years until this bill gets into full effect anyways, that's when we can review whether this was good for the American people or not and, more selfishly, good for us as individuals lol.
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 ptwist said:
All he has to do now is eventually get our a.sses out of that war and he'll be 2 for 2 on his major campaigns

keep in mind he also is increasing grants for schools too

you guys should realize there isn't many presidents who actually have the balls to even attempt this much less be successful. Giv him his props
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An attempt in the wrong direction is just as bad as no attempt at all.

And don't hold your breath, we're not leaving the middle east.
 8 years ago '06        #78
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I know doctors hate this s**t gotta give props to Obama for following through with something but people gotta realize everybody will never be happy with every decision a president makes its america
somebody gains and another people loses
 03-22-2010, 01:44 AM         #79
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Im looking at it from an economic stand point and it seems to be a good idea it will make more industry. There will have to be more hospitals and clinics built so that will help with the restructure of America. Plus it will also help to create jobs in the field. It will be like the new automotive industry. We need something new we have one of the worst health care practices in the world. No this isnt going to fix everything but it will get the conversation going on how to make it better. Also it seems to me that the things that benefited the country the most have major opposition. If we still keep thing the same we wouldnt have a minimum wage and we would still be working for 3 dollars. Yes it will drive down how much can be made in the medical field slightly but would could probably work as much as you want. There some down sides but it a step in the right direction.
 8 years ago '08        #80
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 JBeezy said:
An attempt in the wrong direction is just as bad as no attempt at all.
Explain how it's a step in the 'wrong direction'.
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