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 8 years ago '05        #261
Adamsville 131 heat pts131
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 ItAlY2BkLyN said:
So f**ked up man. That's like saying, oh you broke your leg, lets see here......oh your credit score is 320 and you only have $5 in your checking account, so you're going to have to wait in that line....*points to a line out the door of people who can't afford the private insurance and must rely on the gov't plan.

where the hell did you read that at? not from what Screw posted.
 8 years ago '04        #262
ItAlY2BkLyN 238 heat pts238
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 Adamsville said:
where the hell did you read that at? not from what Screw posted.
hypothetical situation
 04-04-2010, 01:43 AM         #263
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 Adamsville said:
and no human being is purely good, honest, humble, and trustworthy...

The characteristic Im concerned with is background and experience... Id rather have someone familiar with serving the public in the government than a business man who well... is familiar with serving his pockets...
Yeah, because

Mayke sho u sownd dem big w3rdz, champ.


page 6 Excerpt:
We state emphatically here at the outset: Obama is a creature and puppet of finance capital and of the Wall Street bankers and investment bankers, as represented by the Trilateral Commission, Bilderberger Group, Council on Foreign Relations, Skull and Bones Society, Ford Foundation, and
Chicago School of Friedmanite economics. The family business which Obama inherited from his mother (a Ford Foundation anthropologist and counterinsurgency operative who also worked for the World Bank and the US Agency for International Development) was to work for foundations. And
this is what Obama has done in his life, working at various times for or with the Gamaliel Foundation, the Woods Fund, the Joyce Foundation, the Annenberg Foundation, and other foundations and entities which notoriously look to the Ford Foundation for guidance and leadership. Obama is best described as a foundation-bred counterinsurgent, that is to say an operative in the service of the US financier ruling class whose task it is to wreck and abort any positive outcomes that might be forthcoming from the political ferment which is shaking the globe, and above all from the deep political upsurge which is clearly at hand in this country.

Obama claims to be a uniter, but the simplest empirical survey will show that he is the most explosive divider seen in this country in decades, since he has succeeded in splitting both the Democratic Party and the US population in general according to the classic fault lines of white against black, black against Hispanic, black against Asian, black against Jewish, men against women, old against young, rich against poor. Having seen Obama accomplish all of this in less than a year and a half on the campaign trail, we can confidently predict that an Obama presidency would in all probability put the United States well on its way to civil war. Giving Obama and his financier controllers the White House would represent an act of national suicide for this country, with the most catastrophic implications for the world as a whole. This analysis is corroborated by the fact that Obama, alone among all the protagonists of the 2008 presidential contest, possesses
either a postmodern fascist mass movement, or a very plausible facsimile thereof. These are the lemming legions who are not supporting a program of measures that the government might take, but who are hysterically loyal to and obsessed with Obama as a fantasy figure and charismatic savior –
in other words, as an emerging fascist leader. As those who lived through Italy in 1922 and Germany in 1933 remind us in the writings they have left behind, there is simply no comparison between a normal, corrupt, bourgeois parliamentary regime and a fascist seizure of power. These are qualitatively distinct, and set Obama apart from all of his competitors in a way that we can onlyignore at our own very great peril.
page 394 excerpt
The other aspect of the Obama lemming legions which has attracted the attention of some commentators is a specious rage with which they turn on those who do not share their fanatical devotion to the Perfect Master. Professor Paul Krugman is surely one of the more intelligent of these critics when he writes: “Why, then, is there so much venom out there? I won’t try for fake evenhandedness here: most of the venom I see is coming from supporters of Mr. Obama, who want their hero or nobody. I’m not the first to point out that the Obama campaign seems dangerously close to becoming a cult of personality. We’ve already had that from the Bush administration — remember Operation Flight Suit? We really don’t want to go there again.” (Paul Krugman, New York Times, February 11, 2008)

Obama’s general demeanor and rhetorical style has been compared to that of Mussolini, the first fascist to seize power in a major country. David Plotz of Slate.com was shocked by the mob rule overtones of the Obama agitation: ‘The deputy editor of a major online magazine spent time in a
weekly podcast explaining how the style of Senator Barack Obama shares much in common with the speech of fascist dictators like Benito Mussolini. “That’s slightly fascistic,” David Plotz, the deputy editor at Slate.com said in the magazine’s weekly podcast when one of his fellow editors brought up Obama’s style. “That’s a very, like, let’s rally the nation. I don’t want to be rallied.” After his fellow Slate editors lightly gibed him for his statement, he continued the point: “My brother who is an academic wrote this wonderful book about crowds, and crowd theory. And one of the sort of lessons that he’s always imparted to me is just that crowds are terrifying. Crowds are
horrifying for the most part because they have a will of their own, and they act independently of rationality. And I think that Obama relies hugely on that. That’s not to say, I don’t, I still support him, but I don’t like that fascistic, I like him not for the fascistic elements of his candidacy, which I
think are profound.”’ (Michael Roston, “Slate editor calls Obama speech style ‘fascistic,’“ (Rawstory, February 4, 2008) An untenable position, we note in passing, since fascism, once , once identified, must surely be opposed.
 8 years ago '04        #264
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kyhoopsgoat 418 heat pts418 OP
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:iough: ... pages 4-14
 8 years ago '04        #266
ItAlY2BkLyN 238 heat pts238
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capitalism doesn't necessarily equate to plutocracy.

plenty of people just want to get rich and chill.


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 8 years ago '05        #267
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 1angrypinoy said:
Yeah, because

Mayke sho u sownd dem big w3rdz, champ.


page 6 Excerpt:


page 394 excerpt
oh no! not an unauthorized biography of the president by an Alex Jones clone...

everything you posted MUST be TRUE... I mean who could deny that Obama is apart of the NWO?
 8 years ago '04        #268
ItAlY2BkLyN 238 heat pts238
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 Adamsville said:
I mean who could deny that Obama is apart of the NWO?
seriously lol
 8 years ago '04        #269
ItAlY2BkLyN 238 heat pts238
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What I'm saying is that a key component of Plutocracy is power, and/or power gained through wealth.

I'm just saying that in capitalism, your average joe, just wants to have his business, in competition with others and make a decent living. Not necessarily wanting to use that wealth in any political fashion.

plutocracy can happen in a capitalistic society, but they're just not one in the same.
 04-10-2010, 03:33 PM         #270
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And so it begins.


April 09, 2010
ObamaCare Dominoes Falling
C. MacLeod Fuller
The predictable consequences of forcing companies to sell healthcare insurance to people with pre-exisiting conditions are unfolding. On Tuesday, American Thinker reported that a mere two weeks after President Obama signed ObamaCare into law, one result was that Massachusetts Democrat Governor, Deval Patrick, "rejected 235 of 274 insurer requests for premium increases for individuals and small businesses over the coming year" -- requests made by that state's three largest nonprofit insurers, Blue Cross Blue Shield, Harvard Pilgrim, and Tufts Heath Plan.

Later in the week, the insurers simply stopped selling policies.

According to the Wall Street Journal, three of the four largest suffered net operating losses in 2009 and the Democrats' "arbitrary rate cap will result in another $100 million in collective losses this year [...making...] it impossible to pay the anticipated costs of claims, and threatening the near-term solvency of some companies." The Journal noted,

...state officials have demanded that the insurers-under the threat of fines and other regulatory punishments-resume offering quotes by today and to revert to year-old base premiums. Let that one sink in: Mr. Patrick has made the health insurance business so painful the government actually has to order private companies to sell their products (albeit at sub-market costs).


The article also reveals a number of interesting facts, including:

- Massachusetts' "insurance regulators have concluded the reason [that state's] premiums are the highest in the nation is the underlying cost of health care, not the supposed industry abuses" imagined by President Obama and Governor Patrick.

- The unsurprising fact that because Massachusetts' universal healthcare mandate prohibits exclusion for pre-existing conditions, people simply "wait until they're about to incur major medical expenses before buying insurance and transfer the costs to everyone else."

- Once the medical emergency has passed, short-term enrollees drop their coverage - because they know they can demand "insurance" the next time they want it.

- Blue Cross Blue Shield reported "short-term customers ... ran up costs more than four times the average" and dropped coverage "within three months." Harvard Pilgrim's experience with such hit-and-run enrollees is that they remained with the plan "fewer than five months and on average incurred costs about 600% higher."

Of course, when their next medical stubbed toe happens, such short-term "purchasers" will return. Under ObamaCare, Massachusetts foreshadows the future of all 50 states - with a socialist-inspired financial vengeance.
 8 years ago '04        #271
ItAlY2BkLyN 238 heat pts238
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"OH BUT PEOPLE CAN'T GET DENIED" "OH BUT IT WILL LOWER THE DEFICIT" "THE GOV'T IS GOING TO PUT A RATE CAP"

Dumb a.ss people man. I swear, they're like sheep. Believing what is comfortable and sounds good to them. This s**t was a horrible idea from the start and people still continue to believe that the gov't has their best interests in mind. Now I have to suffer cuz of widespread hopenitized ignorance.
 04-10-2010, 05:07 PM         #272
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Best post in the comments section.
Posted by: sstewart25
Apr 09, 11:35 AM
OH! Just wait gang. This is NOT the worst of it. As the government begins to force the private insurance providers out if the market, they will begin forcing underpayment of the actual cost of health care services. The result will be huge leaps in the out-of-pocket costs to patients and the mass defection of health care professionals to other careers. The health care system in the USA will collapse, much as the Steel Industry and the Automotive Industry already has. Not only will it be impossibly expensive to get care, there just won't be a doctor or hospital to go to.
 04-10-2010, 06:00 PM         #273
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nothing the american goverment does is in the best interests of it's ppl.


I REALLLLY REALLLY REALLLY REALLLY REALLLY HATE OBAMA
 04-12-2010, 09:26 PM         #274
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 ThatBytch said:
REALLY????



j/k
yess realllyy... lol
 8 years ago '04        #275
ItAlY2BkLyN 238 heat pts238
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"Not to mention I found this last little tidbit in the bill. In a HEALTHCARE bill, they are charging a 3.8 tax on home sales and other real estate transactions. Middle income people must pay the full tax, even if they are "rich" only for one day - the day they sell their house and buy a new one"
-The spokesman Review - March 28, 2010 Page B9

On a $200,000 home, that equals $7,600 additional tax middle income homes must pay. FOR A HEALTHCARE BILL!!!

Didn't we already have a real estate bail out?
 8 years ago '04        #276
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:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Gee whiz, didn't see this coming......


Medical Schools Can't Keep Up

As Ranks of Insured Expand, Nation Faces Shortage of 150,000 Doctors in 15 Years


The new federal health-care law has raised the stakes for hospitals and schools already scrambling to train more doctors.

Experts warn there won't be enough doctors to treat the millions of people newly insured under the law. At current graduation and training rates, the nation could face a shortage of as many as 150,000 doctors in the next 15 years, according to the a.ssociation of American Medical Colleges.

That shortfall is predicted despite a push by teaching hospitals and medical schools to boost the number of U.S. doctors, which now totals about 954,000.

The greatest demand will be for primary-care physicians. These general practitioners, internists, family physicians and pediatricians will have a larger role under the new law, coordinating care for each patient.

The U.S. has 352,908 primary-care doctors now, and the college a.ssociation estimates that 45,000 more will be needed by 2020. But the number of medical-school students entering family medicine fell more than a quarter between 2002 and 2007.

A shortage of primary-care and other physicians could mean more-limited access to health care and longer wait times for patients.

Proponents of the new health-care law say it does attempt to address the physician shortage. The law offers sweeteners to encourage more people to enter medical professions, and a 10% Medicare pay boost for primary-care doctors.

Meanwhile, a number of new medical schools have opened around the country recently. As of last October, four new medical schools enrolled a total of about 190 students, and 12 medical schools raised the enrollment of first-year students by a total of 150 slots, according to the AAMC. Some 18,000 students entered U.S. medical schools in the fall of 2009, the AAMC says.
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 8 years ago '04        #277
ItAlY2BkLyN 238 heat pts238
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where's all the idiots who were d*ck riding this bill for the first 10 pages of this thread
 04-14-2010, 04:08 PM         #278
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This is nothing but the start of the Mark Of the Beast
 8 years ago '05        #279
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Doctor Now Able to Steal Kidneys With This Law

 8 years ago '04        #280
ItAlY2BkLyN 238 heat pts238
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Knew you'd come back with a lame attempt at a hidden link.


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