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 8 years ago '06        #81
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Kobe shots are not lucky but him and jordan are equal in the sense they are best players in their era
 03-11-2010, 03:22 PM         #82
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i dunno why the hate here, the 08 celts are better than any team jordan faced, garnett, pierce, allen, rondo. that is 4 allstars right there, that team had a k!ller lineup, you can say jazz were stockton, malone and hornececk?
 03-11-2010, 03:30 PM         #83
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 Hurricane24 said:
i dunno why the hate here, the 08 celts are better than any team jordan faced, garnett, pierce, allen, rondo. that is 4 allstars right there, that team had a k!ller lineup, you can say jazz were stockton, malone and hornececk?
i agree 100%

besides Kobe and Gasol and maybe Odom is that Lakers team that great like people f**king think?
 8 years ago '09        #84
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First, this is just Barkley's opinion so it doesnt make it fact. We all know he is going to take Jordan's side in everything. Barkley has a personal problem with Kobe Bryant, its obvious. Even if he isnt better than Jordan or in the same sentence, he is at least the best player in the game since 1998 and nobody else is close yet Barkley says LeBron is better and Wade is right there. That's why I cant respect what Barkley says. But it's funny though.

As for the shot over Wade, Kobe did everything he wanted on that shot. He got the ball dribbled to the spot he wanted, squared up, pulled up over a shorter defender and aimed for the glass. If it went in(which it did) he's the hero, if it didnt he just missed a great shot and D Wade gets all the love in the media the next day for great defense on Kobe.

I say its time to stop comparing players over different eras. MJ was the best player in the 90's, Kobe is the best since then, Magic ran the 80's and so on and so forth. The game was totally different in each of them and I dont think it's a legit or fair comparison.
 8 years ago '09        #85
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 thatruest said:
Who the f**k cares?, Jordan's time has come and gone. Kobe's playing right now. These comparisons are useless. In the end, it's only opinion, never a fact. SMH @ n*ggas that hate on others n*ggas. Could you beat him @ ballin'?
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&Barkleys dumbass always got somes**t to say...
 8 years ago '07        #86
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 Hurricane Ra said:
Like most times... Barkley is bitter.
What is he bitter about?
 8 years ago '09        #87
That Guy Fly 21 heat pts21
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 thatruest said:
This hate on Kobe, LeBron is just getting out of hand. Dudes ball, period. Championships are determined by teams. Allen Iverson is the one player that I can say honestly took a team by himself to the Finals. Even won one game. Now that's wild. Jordan had a sick team. Bryant has a good team. Jordan didn't win without Pippen, Jordan went to play baseball and Chicago went to Game 7 in the Eastern Conference Finals against Indiana. Kobe gets hurt and misses 5 games, Lakers go 4-1. There is always an argument. They are all nasty, leave it at that. Barkley is a laughing stock. f**k a Snorlax.
You on point with your argument, just one thing. Pip lost to the Knicks in 7 games who went on to defeat the Pacers. Now, if Hue Hollins didnt call a phantom foul on Pip when Hubert Davis took a 3 late then Pip would have gone to the Finals. But, Pip did win a series on the playoffs without Jordan. Jordan never won a first round series without Pip
 8 years ago '09        #88
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 Fly 2ndComing said:
First, this is just Barkley's opinion so it doesnt make it fact. We all know he is going to take Jordan's side in everything. Barkley has a personal problem with Kobe Bryant, its obvious. Even if he isnt better than Jordan or in the same sentence, he is at least the best player in the game since 1998 and nobody else is close yet Barkley says LeBron is better and Wade is right there. That's why I cant respect what Barkley says. But it's funny though.

As for the shot over Wade, Kobe did everything he wanted on that shot. He got the ball dribbled to the spot he wanted, squared up, pulled up over a shorter defender and aimed for the glass. If it went in(which it did) he's the hero, if it didnt he just missed a great shot and D Wade gets all the love in the media the next day for great defense on Kobe.

I say its time to stop comparing players over different eras. MJ was the best player in the 90's, Kobe is the best since then, Magic ran the 80's and so on and so forth. The game was totally different in each of them and I dont think it's a legit or fair comparison.
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 8 years ago '08        #89
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What does he mean Kobe's game winners are luck?
 8 years ago '08        #90
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 hurricanegamePZ said:
silly b**ch barkley..dude is an idiot....

luck is when preparation meets opportunity..simple as that


there is no such thing as this 'luck' word u b**ch n*ggaz believe in
Nah, there is blind luck, but as far as an NBA player hitting a game winning shot your point stands.
 8 years ago '08        #91
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So because the Celtics had a better lineup means they had a better team?
 03-11-2010, 03:53 PM         #92
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Not to stomp on your parade but Kobe is the most clutch player in NBA history he has 27 buzzer beaters and MJ has 25(they even went so far as to count his one in NC to give him 26) Kobe is the definition of clutch. If you count game winners where the person was the last to score for their team in the final seconds and they won Kobe still has MJ beat with 44 to 35.

Your point is mute


Here is the list Mitchell compiled (plus MJ's '97-98 game-winners):

Nov. 11, 1984 vs. Indiana, 118-116
12-footer with four seconds left.

Dec. 7, 1984 vs. New York, 95-93
18-footer with five seconds left.

March 26, 1985 vs. Indiana, 120-119
Two free throws with five seconds left.

April 24, 1985 vs. Milwaukee, 109-107
Jordan nails the eventual game-winning jumper from the corner with 22 seconds left on the clock to force Game 4 in the first round of the 1985 Playoffs against Milwaukee.
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Oct. 25, 1985 vs. Cleveland, 116-115
Jordan is at the line to win the game against the Cavs. He misses the first, but drains number two for the victory.
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Nov. 11, 1986 vs. Atlanta, 112-110
Jordan drives through traffic to the basket and manages to sink the tough layup with nine ticks left, skidding out of bounds after the shot.
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Nov. 21, 1986 vs. New York, 101-99
Jordan scores the last 18 of the Bulls' points, including the final two for the win on a running 18-footer with one second remaining to down the Knicks 101-99.
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Feb. 12, 1988 vs. Milwaukee, 95-93
Terry Cummings sends Jordan to the floor with the hard foul, but Jordan exacts revenge by coolly dropping in both free throws with two ticks left for a Chicago victory.
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April 3, 1988 vs. Detroit, 112-110
Two free throws with four seconds left.

April 15, 1988 vs. New Jersey, 100-99
Jordan rises and strokes the jumper over Mike O'Koren with 20 seconds left to down the Nets in New Jersey.
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Feb. 16, 1989 vs. Milwaukee, 117-116
20-footer with one second left.

May 7, 1989 vs. Cleveland, 101-100
"The Shot." It's the reason Cleveland fans will never forgive Jordan, as this shot at the buzzer won Game 5 and the series for Chicago in the first round of the 1989 Playoffs.
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May 19, 1989 vs. New York, 113-111
After Trent Tucker's four-point play tied Game 6 of the 1989 Eastern Conference Semifinals at 111, Jordan stepped to the free throw line and iced the series with two freebies with four seconds left.
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May 27, 1989 vs. Detroit, 99-97
With future teammate Dennis Rodman guarding him in Game 3 of the 1989 Eastern Conference Finals, Jordan wins the game for the Bulls with the pull-up jumper with three seconds left.
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Nov. 13, 1990 vs. Utah, 84-82
As time runs out, Jordan creates some space for the shot over Thurl Bailey and Jeff Malone, downing the Jazz on their homecourt with the 15-footer.
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Jan. 22, 1992 vs. Charlotte, 115-112
Jordan picks up the loose ball in Charlotte and runs the length of the court for the layup, drawing the foul and completing the three-point play for a three-point Chicago victory.
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Nov. 11, 1992 vs. Detroit, 98-96 (OT)
Jordan victimizes the Detroit Pistons, draining the long range three-pointer at the buzzer for a 98-96 win in overtime.
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May 17, 1993 vs. Cleveland, 103-101
"The Shot -- Part Two," Jordan does it to the Cavs again, this time victimizing Gerald Wilkins with the jumper to win Game 4 of the 1993 Eastern Conference Semifinals in Cleveland.
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March 25, 1995 vs. Atlanta, 99-98
Jordan, fresh from his return from baseball, brings the ball up the court and drains the jumper over Steve Smith to drop the Hawks in Atlanta.
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Feb. 11, 1997 vs. Charlotte, 103-100
Michael is at it again - this time he connects on the clutch jumper from downtown to lift the Bulls to a 103-100 victory over the gritty visitors from Charlotte.
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March 18, 1997 vs. Seattle, 89-87 (OT)
With the Sonics battling the Bulls in OT, Gary Payton fouls Jordan on the jumper with eight seconds remaining. Jordan goes to the line, sinking both free throws to shut down Seattle.
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June 1, 1997 vs. Utah, 84-82
Michael Jordan puts his cape on to perform the heroics again, when he drains the jumper as the buzzer goes off giving the Bulls a 84-82 victory and a 1-0 lead in the series.
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February 13, 1998 vs. Atlanta, 112-110
Michael Jordan comes through in the clutch yet again, pulling up to drain the game-winning buzzer-beating jumper over Atlanta's Steve Smith and Chucky Brown.
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March 22, 1998 vs. Toronto, 102-100
MJ does it again, nailing the short fadeaway jumper from the right wing with five seconds left, lifting the Bulls to victory.

June 14, 1998 vs. Utah, 87-86
Michael Jordan knocks down the clutch game-clinching jumper with 5.2 seconds remaining in the game and the Bulls beat Utah 87-86 in Game 6 of the 1998 NBA Finals for their sixth NBA title.



Jordans list even includes free throws Kobe = clutch
 8 years ago '04        #93
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Wow you summed up everything in 4 pictures... Amazing... This is classic
 8 years ago '04        #94
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 Truth B T0ld said:
Jordan never faced a team as great as the 08 celtics.
Jordan never had a team as talented as Kobe had either... The Lakers were favored to win that series btw

The 08 Celtics didnt beat any other team in 6 games???

So obviously they werent that good...
 8 years ago '04        #95
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 smj_724 said:
I hope that was a joke
omg whose a.ss is that in your avatar
 8 years ago '06        #96
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another never ending debate lol..... charles 1 of all time favorites, but it's common knowledge that he can talk out of his a.ss at times, and hold grudges.... forget what it was about, but remember him and kobe having some text war before lol

like casper said, all the old school cats are gonna favor people from thier era

u could make a strong argument if jordan had come into the league 4 years earlier... 1980 instead of 84, that he wouldn't have 6 rings, being he would have played against them 80's celtics and pistons teams... teams that had chased him out fairly easily early in his career... let alone having to play the showtime laker squads.....lots of people as great as MJ was belived, he feasted upon a watered down league

fun to speculate about s**t, but this is a never ending topic
 03-11-2010, 04:02 PM         #97
malikmoore9  OP
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Jordan never had a team as talented as Kobe had either.
Were you just born last year Jordans last three peat team was one of the most talented teams ever Ron harper Jordan pippen kukoc rodman those five alone are better than the team the lakers had during any championship win. F*ck sake they won 72 games this wasnt off of will to win hell they were the most talented team in the league.
 03-11-2010, 04:06 PM         #98
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 Main Event said:
So because the Celtics had a better lineup means they had a better team?
generally that's what makes you a better team
 8 years ago '04        #99
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 Gumb0 said:
Look at the players he sitting next to, other than gasol thats some pretty bad players. Newble Mihm Vlad rad, and that boston team was mad stacked

Jordan is the GOAT but did he ever have to play against a team with 3 hall of famers

People always bring up Kobe losing in the finals but so did Magic, Bird, Malone, Shaq, Lebron, Barkley, Stockton, Kidd, Payton, Ewing, and many more
3 Hall of Famers???

WTF are you talking about... Pierce or Allen are not locks for the Hall of Fame...

Besides the Lakers are the only team who lost to them in 6 games... No excuse
 8 years ago '04        #100
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 Hurricane24 said:
generally that's what makes you a better team
Nah u tripping... So that means the Celtics still have a better team?? Or Dallas has a better team??? San Antonio has a batter team

I mean

Garnett, Wallace, Piece, Allen, Robinson - Boston
Duncan, Jefferson, Mason Jr, Ginobili, Parker - San Antonio
Nowitzki, Butler, Kidd, Terry, Haywood - Dallas

That means they are all better than the Lakers because on paper that looks like a better team...
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