There are still some people who think LeBron doesn't have killer instinct

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 03-06-2010, 02:22 PM         #21
AbsLikeJesus  OP
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 Knowledgeable said:
Yep. Kobe has 4 rings and bron has 0 .Your right numbers don't lie
Robert Horry has 7 rings, Kobe has 4
 8 years ago '08        #22
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Doesn't Kobe already have 5 game winners THIS season!? Not to mention the shot to take them to overtime against the Heat a few nights ago. Give me the Mamba in the clutch STILL :cool-smiley-009:
 8 years ago '06        #23
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 StateProperty88 said:
do you really think that vince carter has a k!ller instinct?
considering he's hit many a game winners against my very team...i'd say he has that. not to say he lacks a LOT of other elements...but dude can def be clutch.
 8 years ago '08        #24
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The funny thing is when stats are in someone's favor, they're considered great...but when they go against your argument, they become "meaningless".

Most of these people go off perception, even when in reality the stats actually do tell the story.

And this applies to not just this thread, but for pretty much every NBA/Sports argument.
 8 years ago '07        #25
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Damn, I really wish Boxden could go 2 weeks without making these Lebron vs Kobe threads..... just watch the games and STFU
 03-06-2010, 02:28 PM         #26
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 SHootar said:
lol u sound like some bitter hater dawg, how is that stat "meaningless" exactly.



i rarely enter lebron kobe threads on here cuz these stans and haters are the worst breed of species put on earth. waste of life really.
I'm not a hater. I'm a realist.
 8 years ago '04        #27
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 lifetimez said:
The funny thing is when stats are in someone's favor, they're considered great...but when they go against your argument, they become "meaningless".
Ether.............
 8 years ago '05        #28
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 SHootar said:
considering he's hit many a game winners against my very team...i'd say he has that. not to say he lacks a LOT of other elements...but dude can def be clutch.
he wasnt clutch in 01 b**ch j/k
 03-06-2010, 02:31 PM         #29
IAmazeMyself  OP
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 Javon23 said:
Ether.............
I never make statements with stats this isn't baseball.
 8 years ago '06        #30
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 Javon23 said:
"Men Lie, Women Lie, Numbers Don't"
 PBM24 said:
this stat was posted in a pervious thread but never really got much attention.

Kobes game winners

Playoffs: 4
Buzzer Beaters: 8

Layups: 2
Jumpers: 21
Free Throws: 3

Dec. 27, 1999: Lakers 108 - Mavericks 106 (game-winning FTs w/ 8.6 secs)
May 09, 1999: Lakers 101 - Rockets 100 (PO, game-winning FTs w/ 5.3 secs)
May 10, 2000: Lakers 97 - Phoenix 96 (PO, jumper over Kidd w/ 2.6 secs)
Feb. 07, 2001: Lakers 85 - Phoenix 83 (jumper over Marion w/ 2.7 sec)
Feb. 13, 2001: Lakers 113 - Nets 110 (OT layup/and-1 w/ 4.8 secs)
Jan. 02, 2002: Lakers 87 - Nuggets 86 (off-reb and jumper w/ 55 secs)
Feb. 22, 2002: Lakers 96 - Hornets 94 (buzzer-beater, jumper over Lynch)
May 12, 2002: Lakers 87 - Spurs 85 (PO, off-reb and put-back w/ 5.1 secs)
Dec. 06, 2002: Lakers 105 - Mavericks 103 (turn-around jumper w/ 8 secs)
April 04, 2003: Lakers 102 - Grizzlies 101 (buzzer beater, jumper over Battier)
April 06, 2003: Lakers 115 - Suns 113 (OT, game-tying jumper for OT, jumper over Marion w/ 28.6 sec)
Dec. 19, 2003: Lakers 101 - Nuggets 99 (buzzer-beater, fade-away over Barry)
Mar. 21, 2004: Lakers 104 - Bucks 103 (OT jumper over Van Horn w/ 25.1 sec)
April 14, 2004: Lakers 105 - Blazers 104 (OT buzzer beater, game-tying 3-pointer for OT, fall-away 3-pointer)
Mar. 12, 2005: Lakers 117 - Bobcats 116 (jumper over Bogans w/ 0.9 secs)
Nov. 02, 2005: Lakers 99 - Nuggets 97 (OT jumper over Najera w/ 0.6 secs)
Dec. 04, 2005: Lakers 99 - Bobcats 98 (game-winning FTs w/ 7 secs)
Jan. 12, 2006: Lakers 99 - Cavaliers 98 (jumper over James w/ 8.6 secs)
April 30, 2006: Lakers 99 - Suns 98 (PO, OT buzzer-beater, game-tying tear-drop for OT, jumper over Diaw)
Jan. 14, 2008: Lakers 123 - Sonics 121 (OT jumper over Green w/ 4.3 secs)
Jan. 09, 2009: Lakers 121 - Pacers 119 (jumper over Jack w/ 3 secs)
Dec. 04, 2009: Lakers 108 - Heat 107 (buzzer-beater, 3-pointer over Wade)
Dec. 16, 2009: Lakers 107 - Bucks 106 (OT buzzer-beater, jumper over Bell)
Jan. 01, 2010: Lakers 109 - Kings 108 (buzzer-beater, 3-pointer)
Jan. 31, 2010: Lakers 90 - Celtics 89 (jumper over Allen w/ 7.3 secs)
Feb. 23, 2010: Lakers 99 - Grizzlies 98 (3-pointer over Gay w/ 4.3 secs)


Eventual-Game Winners:

Nov. 16, 2000: Lakers 112 - Kings 110 (OT, game-tying 3-pointer for OT, jumper over Divac w/ 24 secs)
*Kings intentially foul Bryant w/ 4 secs, +2FTs
June 14, 2000: Lakers 120 - Pacers 118 (NBA Finals, OT off-reb and put-back w/ 5.9 secs)
*Technical foul called against Fox w/ 5.9 secs, +FT
Mar. 24, 2002: Lakers 97 - Kings 96 (jumper over Christie w/ 36 secs)
*Webber jump-hook w/ 29 secs
Dec. 22, 2002: Lakers 109 - Raptors 107 (layup over Peterson w/ 33.2 secs)
*Raptors intentially foul Horry w/ 8.5 secs, +FT
May 11, 2003: Lakers 99 - Spurs 95 (PO, FT w/ 48 secs)
*Spurs intentially foul Bryant (twice) w/ 14.2 secs, +3FTs
Feb. 17, 2004: Lakers 89 - Blazers 86 (left-handed layup w/ 31.8 secs)
*Blazers intentially foul Bryant w/ 7 secs, +FT
Mar. 03, 2004: Lakers 96 - Rockets 93 (jumper over Yao w/ 32 secs)
*Rockets intentially foul Fisher w/ 9.8 secs, +2FTs
April 25, 2004: Lakers 92 - Rockets 88 (PO, OT layup/and-1 over Mobley /w 40 secs)
*Rockets intentially foul Malone w/ 6 secs, +FT
Jan. 07, 2006: Lakers 112 - Clippers 109 (tear-drop over Brand w/ 11 secs)
*Parker fastbreak-dunk w/ 4.4 secs
May 21, 2008: Lakers 89 - Spurs 85 (PO, jumper w/ 23.9 secs)
*Spurs intentionally foul Vujacic w/ 7 secs, +2FTs
Jan. 13, 2009: Lakers 105 - Rockets 100 (3-pointer over Battier w/ 27 secs)
*Rockets intentially foul Gasol (twice) w/ 7 secs, +3FTs
Jan. 13, 2010: Lakers 100 - Mavericks 95 (jumper over Howard w/ 28 secs)
*Mavericks intentionally foul Farmar w/ 5 secs, +3FTs



List of the shots that forced OT

Layups: 3
Jumpers: 12
Free Throws: 5
April 05, 1998: Lakers 105 - Pistons 103 (game-tying FTs for OT w/ 34 secs)
April 20, 1999: Lakers 106 - Warriors 102 (buzzer-beater, game-trying off-reb and put-back)
Nov. 16, 2000: Lakers 112 - Kings 110 (game-tying 3-pointer for OT w/ 2.3 secs)
Mar. 09, 2001: Spurs 93 - Lakers 89 (game-tying FTs for OT w/ 16 secs)
Mar. 15, 2001: Lakers 125 - Pistons 119 (game-tying jumper for OT w/ 2.3 secs)
Feb. 18, 2003: Lakers 106 - Rockets 99 (OT, game-tying jumper for 2OT w/ 19 secs)
April 06, 2003: Lakers 115 - Suns 113 (game-tying jumper for OT w/ 14.2 secs)
April 24, 2003: Wolves 114 - Lakers 110 (PO, game-tying FTs for OT w/ 12 secs)
Mar. 15, 2004: Lakers 113 - Magic 110 (game-tying layup for OT w/ 43 secs)
April 14, 2004: Lakers 105 - Blazers 104 (game-tying 3-pointer for OT w/ 1 secs)
June 08, 2004: Lakers 99 - Pistons 91 (game-tying 3-pointer for OT w/ 4 secs)
Dec. 17, 2004: Wizards 120 - Lakers 116 (game-tying FTs for OT w/ 46 secs)
Feb. 28, 2005: Knicks 117 - Lakers 115 (game-tying 3-pointer for OT w/ 4 secs)
Dec. 01, 2005: Lakers 105 - Jazz 101 (game-tying FTs for OT w/ 1 secs)
Jan. 27, 2006: Lakers 106 - Warriors 105 (game-tying FTs for OT w/ 7 secs)
April 06, 2006: Nuggets 110 - Lakers 108 (game-tying 3-pointer/and-1 for OT w/ 1:14)
April 30, 2006: Lakers 99 - Suns 98 (PO, game-tying tear-drop for OT w/ 7 secs)
Dec. 29, 2006: Bobcats 133 - Lakers 124 (2OT, game-trying 3-pointer for 3OT w/ 26 secs)
Jan. 26, 2007: Bobcats 106 - Lakers 97 (game-tying 3-pointer for OT w/ 1.6 secs)
Mar. 16, 2007: Lakers 116 - Blazers 111 (game-tying 3-pointer for OT w/ 18 secs)
Mar. 30, 2007: Rockets 107 - Lakers 104 (game-tying 3-pointer for OT w/ 11 secs)







i'm just wondering what melo and lebron fans have to say about this..

they claim that lebron and melo are more clutch than kobe?


ps. this some great research done by modalee81
What was that now?
 8 years ago '05        #31
Hold That 103 heat pts103
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 StateProperty88 said:
i wonder if they have a stat of how many times he passes the ball with 24 secs left in a 1 possession game :hmm:
 8 years ago '09        #32
Knowledgeable 29 heat pts29
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 AbsLikeJesus said:
Robert Horry has 7 rings, Kobe has 4



So by your logic are you also saying Robert horry is better than lebron since he has 7 rings? Is he better than jordan aswell? You missed the point of my post though. It was pure sarcasm to end the bulls**t "men lie blah blah blah comment that was made.


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 03-06-2010, 02:39 PM         #33
AbsLikeJesus  OP
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 Jersey826 said:
What was that now?
Same could easily be found for LeBron, Wade and I'm sure Carmelo. Look at that list

"Jumper with 55 seconds left"

"OT Jumper with 26 seconds left"

"Game winning FT with 10 seconds left"



1. How many times has LeBron done all three of those things in his career? He has played 6 seasons less than Kobe and I can say LeBron has the exact same list with a 95% confidence level. The only problem is LeBron doesn't have stans like Kobe who would come up with a list like that

2. The picture I posted takes into account FG's made in the FINAL 24 seconds of a one possession game. So take a bunch of those out as they are less clutch. The picture I posted is a refined number from the lists of LeBron, Kobe, Carter and whoever else was on it


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 03-06-2010, 02:41 PM         #34
AbsLikeJesus  OP
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 Knowledgeable said:
So by your logic are you also saying Robert horry is better than lebron since he has 7 rings? Is he better than jordan aswell? You missed the point of my post though. It was pure sarcasm to end the bulls**t "men lie blah blah blah comment that was made.
Yeah, I agree. I wasn't trying to say Horry is better than Kobe. I was using the logic of Kobe>LeBron just because of his rings thats all.
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 8 years ago '09        #35
Knowledgeable 29 heat pts29
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 AbsLikeJesus said:
Same could easily be found for LeBron, Wade and I'm sure Carmelo. Look at that list

"Jumper with 55 seconds left"

"OT Jumper with 26 seconds left"

"Game winning FT with 10 seconds left"



1. How many times has LeBron done all three of those things in his career? He has played 6 seasons less than Kobe and I can say LeBron has the exact same list with a 95% confidence level. The only problem is LeBron doesn't have stans like Kobe who would come up with a list like that

2. The picture I posted takes into account FG's made in the FINAL 24 seconds of a one possession game. So take a bunch of those out as they are less clutch. The picture I posted is a refined number from the lists of LeBron, Kobe, Carter and whoever else was on it



I had to laugh at that s**t. Are you serious? I know dudes who would k!ll for lebron and argue everyday about how great he is. They even say right now that h;s better than jordan. You can bring up your points and reason's why you like him and feel he's the best and all that's cool with me, but the s**t highlighted in bold is pure 100% grade A bulls**t and you know it fam.


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 03-06-2010, 02:44 PM         #36
IAmazeMyself  OP
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Bron has like two game winning jumpers and one is a prayer.
 03-06-2010, 02:45 PM         #37
AbsLikeJesus  OP
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 Knowledgeable said:
I had to laugh at that s**t. Are you serious? I know dudes who's k!ll for lebron. Give it a rest fam. You can bring up your points and all, but the s**t highlighted in bold is pure 100% grade A bulls**t.
Someone just went through Kobe's entire career and wrote down since 1997 the shots he made in the fourth quarter finale minutes

Until I see someone do that for LeBron, Kobe stans > LeBron stans
 8 years ago '07        #38
m-f 8 heat pts
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BX is a f**king JOKE.

All the sport section is about is Kobe this Kobe that, LeBron this, LeBron that.

f**k THEM BOTH.
 8 years ago '09        #39
Knowledgeable 29 heat pts29
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 AbsLikeJesus said:
Someone just went through Kobe's entire career and wrote down since 1997 the shots he made in the fourth quarter finale minutes

Until I see someone do that for LeBron, Kobe stans > LeBron stans


That's just on here fam. s**t's way worse on other messageboards besides this one and worse than that in person. I beg to differ and im gonna say it's about even with that stan s**t, but I never say kobe is bettar than mj. I hear guys all day telling me how much better lebron is than jordan and that s**t just makes me and at the sametime.


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 03-06-2010, 02:53 PM         #40
AbsLikeJesus  OP
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 Knowledgeable said:
That's just on here fam. s**t's way worse on other messageboards besides this one and worse than that in person. I beg to differ and im gonna say it's about even with that stan s**t, but I never say kobe is bettar than mj. I hear guys all day telling me how much better lebron is than joran and that s**t just makes me and at the sametime.
LeBron is not GOAT. Although I hear the same from Kobe stans but I guess it is kind of even.


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