5th ring/2nd Finals MVP for Kobe this year: where would he rank all time?

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Can Kobe catch number
Yes 14 63.64%
No 8 36.36%
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 8 years ago '04        #101
A.G 27 heat pts27
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 Gattsau said:
in all fairness u guys both eat kobes hairy a**hole and get sonned by me on the regular
You've never "sonned" anyone..


Keep trying though. Maybe I'll wake up in the morning and decide to take a s**t on you for the 800th time while I'm at my job half asleep..
 8 years ago '09        #102
flystylez 1 heat pts OP
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 Gattsau said:
stop saying stupid s**t and ill stop sonning u

claiming that kobe took over the series against the pacers
now you got be someone still highschool...go to bed dog. look back that the finals. you take kobe out that serious and it has a different outcome. since you so stuck on owning a thread...
and you keep proven my point...if 5 & 2 enough..you've yet to answer the threads question....
 8 years ago '06        #103
beantown 74 heat pts74
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attention wh0ore: Label given to any person who craves attention to such an extent that they will do anything to receive it. The type of attention (negative or positive) does not matter.

aka threadstarter
 8 years ago '09        #104
flystylez 1 heat pts OP
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 Gattsau said:
n*gga please before i send ur b**chass to bed crying again.
dog...you thuggin over the net..smh. just answer the question. do you think 5 & 2 enough to be in goat tlk. damn is that hard to do
 8 years ago '06        #105
beantown 74 heat pts74
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 Gattsau said:
n*gga please before i send ur b**chass to bed crying again.
is there ever a time where I see you posting and you're not getting into some e-b**ch f!ght with someone?
 8 years ago '04        #106
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 Gattsau said:
n*gga please before i send ur b**chass to bed crying again.
Delusions of grandeur..
 8 years ago '04        #107
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 P. Dedos said:
threads like this just go to show you...

how far away you truely are from the true goat








now let me turn around ask you some questions famo


does the GOAT Blow 3-1 series leads???


does the GOAT get ripped apart and exposed in 4 out of those 6 finals


does the GOAT blow a 30 point lead in the 2nd half in the finals or however much was it

the GOAT WENT 6 TIMES TO THE FINALS AND LEFT 6 TIMES TOP DAWG!!!!!!!!


HIS LEGACY WILL BE ITCHED IN STONE YOU STANLEYS BETTER BELIEVE THAT!!!!


WE KNO HOW YOU PEE ONS WILL BE WRITTEN... NOW MOVE ON OVER OLD TIMER... YOUNG CATS BOUT TO SCHOOL YA!!!!!!



* tosses my two cents in *

:rasta:
Missed you buddy!!
 8 years ago '08        #108
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You could make the argument.
It's true Kobe faces much stiffer competition tho.
Big men ruled the day in MJ's prime; Kobe @ 30 has to deal with the LeBron hype machine and a legitimate great player like Wade. NBA guard position comp. is muchhhhhhhhhh more competitive then it was in MJ's day. MJ was the hyped/beloved player. NBA milked everything he did and posited that every time he touched it he was great. That Plus rosy retrospection make it a really hard road for Kobe to become a semi unanimous GOAT. But you can make the argument, and i think that alone is a testament to Kobe's greatness.
 8 years ago '08        #109
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And honestly, people call people Kobe stans but if the man won 3 rings in a row right now and finished with more than MJ they would still b**ch. "Kobe didn't win them without Shaq so he can't be GOAT, you know MJ won all his rings 5 vs 1 and they couldn't stop him!"
 12-21-2009, 12:14 AM         #110
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Nobody should even respond to these threads , just let all the Kobe idiot fans (who are easily the most delusional fans in the history of sports) to talk to eachother.

Kobe lost when he got beat by 39 points in an elimination game, NO HEART, the Celtics took his manhood, and he will never get it back unless he beats them in the finals. Beating the Magic means nothing. Gasol won them the ring that year. And without Gasol Kobe is a jump shooting ball hog
 12-21-2009, 12:15 AM         #111
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 Imagin3 said:
And honestly, people call people Kobe stans but if the man won 3 rings in a row right now and finished with more than MJ they would still b**ch. "Kobe didn't win them without Shaq so he can't be GOAT, you know MJ won all his rings 5 vs 1 and they couldn't stop him!"
How many rings in a row did Bill Russell win? I think 8....
And he's not considered better than Jordan. So why should Kobe if he wins more and do another 3-peat? You Kobe stans love to reach.
 8 years ago '09        #112
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 Illuminated said:
How many rings in a row did Bill Russell win? I think 8....
And he's not considered better than Jordan. So why should Kobe if he wins more and do another 3-peat? You Kobe stans love to reach.
Its called a combination of your impact on the court and how much youve won...

I love when n*ggas bring up Robert Horry, but then forget he averaged 7 PPG for his career
 8 years ago '08        #113
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 Illuminated said:
How many rings in a row did Bill Russell win? I think 8....
And he's not considered better than Jordan. So why should Kobe if he wins more and do another 3-peat? You Kobe stans love to reach.
If Kobe wins three more rings how could you not say he was better? The reason people say MJ is better is rings.

And there were 8 teams in the league when Russel was winning. The fact that that he won so many rings isn't as much of a testament to his greatness as it tells how unbalanced the league was at that time. I'm not gonna criticize a player for when he played but you have to take it into account. And I have yet to say Kobe is better than MJ, i wasn't a knowledgeable basketball head at that age to dissect the game and tell you, I'm just saying based off what Kobe has accomplished it's arguable for him to be GOAT.
 12-21-2009, 02:51 AM         #114
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Jordan


Naismith Memorial Hall of Fame Class of 2009
6-time NBA champion: 1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998 (all with Chicago Bulls)
6 NBA Finals appearances: 1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998
5-time NBA Most Valuable Player: 1988, 1991, 1992, 1996, 1998[1][2]
10-time scoring champion: 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998[3]
14-time NBA All-Star: 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2002, 2003[4]
3-time NBA All-Star Game MVP: 1988, 1996, 1998[5]
6-time NBA Finals Most Valuable Player: 1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998[6]
1-time NBA Defensive Player of the Year: 1987-88[7]
11-time All-NBA selection:
First team: 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998[8][9]
Second team: 1985[8][9]
9-time All-Defensive selection:
First team: 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998[10][11]
NBA All-Rookie selection:
First team: 1985[12][13]
NBA Rookie of the Year: 1985[14]
2-time NBA Slam Dunk Contest champions: 1987, 1988[15]
Selected in 1996 as one of the "50 Greatest Players in NBA History"
Selected in 1996 as member of two of the "Top 10 Teams in NBA History"
1991-92 Chicago Bulls (6715; .817)
1995-96 Chicago Bulls (7210; .878)
[edit] Achievements

Plaque chronicling the career achievements of Jordan at the United Center.Scored in double-digits in all but one of 1,109 games as a Chicago Bull (8 points on March 25, 1986 vs. the Cleveland Cavaliers)
Scored 20 or more points in 1,099 games (926 regular season, 173 postseason)
Scored 30 or more points in 671 games (562 regular season, 109 postseason)
Scored 40 or more points in 211 games (173 regular season, 38 postseason)
Scored 50 or more points in 39 games (31 regular season, 8 postseason)
Scored 60 or more points in 5 games (4 regular season, 1 postseason)
Recorded 31 triple-doubles (28 regular season, 2 postseason, 1 All-Star Game)
Recorded 240 double-doubles (201 regular season, 39 postseason)
11-time regular season leader, total points (1984-85, 1986-93, 1995-98)
10-time regular season leader, scoring average (1986-93, 1995-98)
3-time regular season leader, steals (1987-88, 1989-90, 1992-93)
[edit] NBA Finals
Jordan played in six NBA Finals for a total of 35 games.

6-time NBA champion (1990-91, 1991-92, 1992-93, 1995-96, 1996-97, 1997-98)
scored 40 or more points in six games, and 50 or more in one game
averaged 33.6 ppg, 6.0 rpg, and 6.0 apg
6-time Finals MVP (1990-91, 1991-92, 1992-93, 1995-96, 1996-97, 1997-98)
Holds NBA Finals records for:

Finals MVP honors (6)
named MVP in each Finals appearance
scoring average, single-series (41.0 ppg)
set in the 1993 NBA Finals vs. the Phoenix Suns
consecutive games, 20 or more points (35, June 2, 1991-June 14, 1998)
only player to score 20 or more points in all games, career (min. 15 games)
Jordan scored at least 20 in all 35 of his Finals performances
consecutive games, 40 or more points (4, June 11-18, 1993)
points, one half (35)
set in 1st half vs. the Portland Trail Blazers, June 3, 1992
field goals made, one half (14)
did so twice; vs. Portland, June 3, 1992 and vs. Phoenix, June 16, 1993
shared with Isiah Thomas
consecutive field goals made (13)
set vs. the Los Angeles Lakers on June 5, 1991
free throws made, quarter (9)
shared with Frank Ramsey
three point field goals made, one half (6)
set vs. the Portland Trail Blazers, June 3, 1992
shared with Kenny Smith
scoring 30 or more points in all games of series
set in the 1993 NBA Finals vs. the Phoenix Suns
shared with Elgin Baylor, Rick Barry, Hakeem Olajuwon and Shaquille O'Neal
points, 6-game series (246)
set in the 1993 NBA Finals vs. the Phoenix Suns
field goals made, 6-game series (101)
set in the 1993 NBA Finals vs. the Phoenix Suns
steals, 5-game series (14)
set in the 1991 NBA Finals vs. the Los Angeles Lakers
highest a.ssists average not by a point guard, single-series (11.4 apg)
set in the 1991 NBA Finals vs. the Los Angeles Lakers
Rank among NBA Finals leaders in other stats:

2nd, points, game (55 vs. Phoenix Suns, June 16, 1993)
2nd, points, one half (33 in 1st half vs. the Phoenix Suns, June 16, 1993)
shared with Elgin Baylor
2nd, three point field goals made, career (42)
2nd, field goals made, 5-game series (63)
3rd, points, career (1,176)
3rd, three point field goals attempted, career (114)
4th, steals, career (62)
5th, field goals made, career (438)
6th, total a.ssists, career (209)
6th, free throws made, career (258)
7th, field goals attempted, career (901)
8th, free throws attempted, career (320)
[edit] Playoffs
Holds NBA Playoff Records for:

points per game average, career (33.45)
points, career (5,987)
points, single postseason (759, 1992)
also ranks 5th (680, 1998) and 6th (666, 1993)
50 point games (8)
40 point games (38)
30 point games (109)
20 point games (174)
consecutive games, 15 or more points (179)
scored 15 points or more in every career playoff game
consecutive games, 20 or more points (60)
June 2, 1989 - May 11, 1993
points in a game (63)
set vs. the Boston Celtics, April 20, 1986
averaged 43.7 ppg, 5.7 apg, and 6.3 rpg for the three games series against the Boston Celtics
points in a 3-game series (135)
set in the 1992 First Round vs. the Miami Heat
points in a 5-game series (226)
set in the 1988 First Round vs. the Cleveland Cavaliers
field goals attempted, career (4,497)
field goals made per game, career (12.2)
field goals made in a game (24)
set vs. Cleveland Cavaliers on May 1, 1988
shared with Wilt Chamberlain and John Havlicek
field goals attempted, half (25)
set vs. Cleveland Cavaliers on May 1, 1988
shared with Wilt Chamberlain and Elgin Baylor
field goals made in a 3-game series (53)
set in the 1992 First Round vs. the Miami Heat
field goals made in a 5-game series (86)
set in the 1988 First Round vs. the Cleveland Cavaliers
field goals made in a 6-game series (101)
set in 1993 NBA Finals vs. the Phoenix Suns
consecutive field goals made (13)
set vs. the Los Angeles Lakers on June 5, 1991
free throws made, career (1,463)
free throws made, quarter (13)
blocks by a guard, career (158)
free throws made per game, rookie (12.0)
free throws attempted per game, rookie (14.5)
Rank among NBA Playoff leaders in other stats:

2nd, free throws attempted (1,766)
2nd, field goals made, career (2,188)
2nd, steals, career (376)
Scottie Pippen is the all-time leader with 395
2nd, field goals made, single postseason (290, 1992)
also holds the 6th (251, 1993), 7th (243, 1998), and 10th (227, 1997) highest
2nd, field goals attempted, single postseason (581, 1992)
also holds the 4th (528, 1993), 5th (526, 1998), and 8th (498, 1997) highest
2nd, points, 3-game series (131)
set in the 1986 First Round against the Boston Celtics
2nd, points, 4-game series (147)
set in the 1990 First Round against the Milwaukee Bucks
2nd, points, 5-game series (215)
set in the 1990 Conference Semifinals against the Philadelphia 76ers
2nd, points, 6-game series (246)
set in the 1993 NBA Finals against the Phoenix Suns
2nd, rebounds by a guard, career (1,152)
Magic Johnson is the all-time leader with 1,465
3rd, free throws made, single postseason (183, 1989)
also holds the 4th highest with 181 in 1998
4th, points per game average, rookie (29.2)
Following Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (35.2), Wilt Chamberlain (33.2), and George Mikan (30.3)
4th, steals per game average, rookie (2.8)
shared with Andre Iguodala
5th, a.ssists per game average, rookie (8.5)
5th, a.ssists, career (1,022)
6th, free throw attempts, single postseason (229, 1989)
also holds the 8th highest with 223 in 1998
7th, three point field goals attempted, career (446)
7th, minutes played, career (7,474)
9th, three point field goals made, career (148)
Other:

only player to record back-to-back 50 point games
Set in Games 1 and 2 of 1988 First Round against the Cleveland Cavaliers (April 28 May 1, 1988)
recorded two playoff career triple-doubles
both against the New York Knicks (May 9, 1989 and June 2, 1993)
[edit] All-Star Game
selected 14 times (1985-93, 1996-98, 2002-03)
started in 13 of the 14 years, including rookie season, and missed one due to injury (1986)
3-time All-Star MVP (1988, 1996, 1998)
Holds NBA All-Star Game records for:

points, career (262)
field goals made, career (110)
field goals made, game (17)
shared with Wilt Chamberlain and Kevin Garnett
field goals attempted, career (233)
field goals attempted, game (27)
shared with Rick Barry
steals, career (37)
blocked shots, half (4)
 12-21-2009, 02:51 AM         #115
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Rank among NBA All-Star Game leaders in other stats:

2nd, selections (14)
behind Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (16)
2nd, points, game (40)
finished with 40 points on 73.9% shooting, 8 rebounds, 3 a.ssists (1988, in Chicago)
3rd, scoring average (20.2)
3rd, minutes, career (382)
Other:

recorded the only All-Star Game triple-double (14 points, 11 rebounds, and 11 a.ssists in 1997, in Cleveland)
[edit] Regular season
Holds NBA regular season records for:

All-Defensive First Team honors (9)
shared with Gary Payton
Player Efficiency Rating, career (27.91)
points per game average, career (30.12)
consecutive games scoring in double-digits (866)
seasons leading the league in points per game average (10)
consecutive seasons leading the league in points per game average (7, 1986-87 through 1992-93)
shared with Wilt Chamberlain
Appears on the All-time top 100 list of most points per game in a season a record 9 times.
seasons leading the league in total points (11)
Appears on the All-time top 100 list of most points in a season a record 11 times.
seasons leading the league in field goals made (10)
consecutive seasons leading the league in field goals made (7)
shared with Wilt Chamberlain
seasons leading the league in field goals attempted (9)
seasons leading the league in steals per game (3)
highest Game Score on record
64.6 at the Cleveland Cavaliers on March 28, 1990
free throws made, one half
20, against the Miami Heat on December 30, 1992
free throws attempted, one half
23, against the Miami Heat on December 30, 1992
free throws made, one quarter (shared)
14, against the Utah Jazz on November 15, 1989, and against the Miami Heat on December 30, 1992
free throws attempted, one quarter (shared)
16, against the Miami Heat on December 30, 1992
steals, one half (8)
shared with 11 players
oldest player to score 50 points in one game (51 points, 7 rebounds, aged 38 years, 315 days)
against the New Orleans Hornets, December 29, 2001
oldest player and only player at age 40 or older to score 40 points in one game (43 points, 10 rebounds)
against the New Jersey Nets, February 21, 2003
scored 40 or more points 3 times, in his final year
scored 30 or more points 9 times, in his final year
scored 20 or more points 42 times, in his final year
blocked shots by a guard, season (131, 1987-88)
blocked shots by a guard, career (893)
Rank among NBA Regular season leaders in other stats:

2nd, MVP honors (5)
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was voted MVP six times
2nd, seasons with 2,000 or more points (11)
Karl Malone holds the record with 12
2nd, seasons leading the league in steals (3; 1987-88, 1989-90, 1992-93)
2nd, steals, career (2,514)
2nd, consecutive points scored in a game
23 against the Atlanta Hawks on April 16, 1987; finished with 61 points
Manu Ginobili scored 24 straight on February 22, 2007
2nd, consecutive triple-doubles (7)[16]
shared with Oscar Robertson
recorded a triple-double in ten games over an eleven game stretch, March 24 April 14, 1989
fell just short in the one game, (which would have allowed for eleven consecutive triple-doubles) with a double-double effort of 40 points, 11 a.ssists and 7 rebounds.
Wilt Chamberlain had 9 straight
3rd, 60 point games (4)
2nd, 50 point games (31)
2nd, 40 point games (173)
2nd, 30 point games (561)
3rd, consecutive games scoring 20 or more points (72, December 29, 1987-December 6, 1988)
two longest streaks set by Wilt Chamberlain
Jordan also registered a streak of 69 consecutive games scoring 20 or more points during the 1990-91 season.
3rd, consecutive games scoring 40 or more points (9, November 28-December 12, 1986)
two longest streaks set by Wilt Chamberlain
3rd, total points, career (32,292)
3rd, points in a season (3,041, 1986-87)
first two held by Wilt Chamberlain
Jordan appears on this All-Time NBA Top 100 list a record 11 times
3rd, field goals attempted, career (24,537)
3rd, free throws made in a season (833, 1986-87)
Behind Jerry West (840, '66) and Wilt Chamberlain (835, '62)
Jordan is also the 10th All-Time leader for most free throws in a season (723, '88)
appears on this All-Time top 100 list a total of 6 times
4th, consecutive games (shared) scoring 40 or more points (9, 1986-87)
three longest streaks set by Wilt Chamberlain
Jordan in fact scored 40 or more points in 11 of 12 games during this period.
4th, steals per game, career (2.35)
4th, field goals made, career (12,192)
4th, free throws made, career (7,327)
6th, field goals made, season (1,098, in 1986-87)
First 4 are held by Wilt Chamberlain, 5th by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Jordan appears on this top 100 list a total an NBA record of 11 times
Jordan is also 9th in field goals made in a season (1,069, in 1987-88)
6th, field goals attempted, season (2,279, in 1987)
first 5 records are held by Wilt Chamberlain
Jordan appears on this NBA's record top 100 list a total of 10 times
6th, points per game average, season (37.1)
4 are held by Wilt Chamberlain, 1 by Elgin Baylor.
Jordan appears on this all-time NBA Top 100 list a record 10 times
6th, points per game average by a rookie, (28.2, 1984-85)
ranked 3rd that season, behind the New York Knicks Bernard King, and the Boston Celtics Larry Bird
8th, free throws attempted, career (8,772)
8th, steals per game average, season (3.16, 1987-88)
appears on the All-Time top 100 list a total of 6 times
Other:

only player in NBA history to lead league in scoring and be Defensive Player of the Year in same season
only player in NBA history to be Most Valuable Player, Defensive Player of the Year, and lead league in scoring in same season
first player in NBA history to be Most Valuable Player and Defensive Player of the Year in same season
Hakeem Olajuwon is the only other player to do so.
one of 10+ players in NBA history to lead team in four statistics in a season
In his rookie season, Jordan led his team in scoring (28.2 ppg), rebounding (6.5 rpg), a.ssists (5.9 apg) and steals (2.4 spg), hence making him also the only rookie to perform this feat. He was second on the team in blocks.
Jordan again led the Bulls in four of the five statistics in the 1987-88 season; scoring (35.0 ppg), a.ssists (5.9 apg), steals (3.2 spg) and blocked shots (1.6 bpg).
only player besides Wilt Chamberlain to score 3,000 points in a season (3,041 in 1986-87)
first player in NBA history to collect both a scoring title and win a Defensive Player of the Year award in his career
David Robinson is the only other player to do so.
first player in NBA history to record 200 steals and 100 blocked shots in a season (236 steals, 125 blocks in 1986-87)
Hakeem Olajuwon (1988-89) and Scottie Pippen (1989-90) are the only other players to do so.
only player in NBA history to consecutively record 200 steals and 100 blocked shots in a season (259 steals, 131 blocks in 1987-88)
1986 through 1988
only player in NBA history with multiple seasons of 200 steals and 100 blocked shots
first player in NBA history to lead league both in scoring average and steals in same season
did so for three seasons (1987-88, 1989-90, 1992-93)
Allen Iverson is the only other player to do so, and has performed the feat twice.
fourth player in NBA history to lead league in scoring average and win an NBA championship in same season
did so for six seasons (1990-1993, 1996-1998)
led the 1995-96 Chicago Bulls to an All-Time NBA Best Regular season record, with 72 wins, 10 losses
averaged a league high 30.4 ppg
led the 1995-96 Chicago Bulls to an All-Time NBA Best combined Regular and Post Season record with, 87 wins, 13 losses
won the 1996 and 1998 Regular Season MVP, All-Star MVP, and NBA Finals MVP
Willis Reed (1970) and Shaquille O'Neal (2000) are the only players to do so, Jordan is the only player to perform the feat twice
one of three players to be an Olympic basketball gold medalist both as an amateur and professional
one of three players in NBA history to average 20+ points, 5+ a.ssists, and 5+ rebounds as a rookie
joined by Oscar Robertson and LeBron James
The only player in NBA history that has won Rookie Of The Year (1985), Regular Season MVP (5 times), All-Star MVP (3 times), Finals MVP (6 times), and Most Defensive Player of The Year Awards.

Kobe isn't even close
 12-21-2009, 03:51 AM         #116
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i wish you kobe stans would stop wit this f**kin madness.
 8 years ago '05        #117
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it's funny based off ability and skill u guys couldn't say who is better....so of course the argument resorts to accomplishments and since he two never played under the same circumstances voids the entire argument altogether
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 8 years ago '06        #118
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MemphisBoi "sonned" this thread.
 8 years ago '04        #119
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He gonna be 7-3 to end all the speculation
 8 years ago '04        #120
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 P. Dedos said:
ohhh really based on what????

who else do you know can f**king run a 3 peat then take a break for a year and half and run another 3 peat when he comes back


i mean i personally hated MJ and would root against him till the end

even againt the jazz i was rooting against that muthaf**ka


yeppp on my life i was one of them


so maybe its because im an older cat that actually got to see jordan play not like most of the lil gits on here. and i also dont give a f**k what he did in the regular season against a bum a.ss turonto team or what he did in the regular season against miluakee or whatever the f**k yall talking.... we talking about the GOAT and Clutchness and Cut Throat... One on One who would u pick???


any of yall that pick kobe would be fired day one as a GM..........

POINT BLANK PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!


anybody who brings this shyt up publically would get hossed down and owned with the quickness i mean we saw what mark jackson went through and his apoligy after making comments that even hinted to it


whats he smokin


POINT BLANK PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!
Props...i always hated him as well and watched him since he came in the league...but f**k that it will be Kobe > Jordan
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