5th ring/2nd Finals MVP for Kobe this year: where would he rank all time?

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Can Kobe catch number
Yes 14 63.64%
No 8 36.36%
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 8 years ago '09        #181
TheG1ftedOne 4 heat pts
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 MrTripleDouble said:
:jay:




I hope Kobe is wearing a condom


You Kobe stans make me sick to my stomach and Gifted1ne I'm a start calling you Orangutan the way you swing on Kobe's nuts and when LeBron wins a ring we can only guess who's nuts you gonna swing to. "oooo oooo oooo aaaaahhhhh"



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and like you dont know the taste of Lebron's nuts?

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 8 years ago '06        #182
teh truth 2 heat pts
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see thats where you guys dont put wen comparing how

would of jordan been if he played with shaq the begining of his career?

and wat would kobe of been if he had jordans sspot?

f**k the stats wen comparing

your going to have to compare the rings n mvps if anything


i have no doubt kobe would have accomplish wat jordan did if he had jordans spot i mean his stats tell it for himself
 8 years ago '09        #183
TheG1ftedOne 4 heat pts
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 Main Event said:
So all it takes is having 1 more ring to make somebody the better player all time

Kobe gets 5 and 2 only means

Rings:Kobe
MVPs:Shaq
Regular Season MVP: Split

But tie goes to shaq because 3 of those rings he was "the" guy
So Kobe has 5 rings and 1 less Finals MVP yet he still doesnt get the nod? Shaq was "the man" for 3 but Kobe averaged like what, 27 PPG in the playoffs in their last 2 title runs?

Lets not act like Kobe got carried You could argue that for their first ring, but other than that theres no debate.
 8 years ago '06        #184
teh truth 2 heat pts
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04-05 LAL 66 66 40.7 0.433 0.339 0.816 1.4 4.5 5.9 6.0 1.3 0.8 4.09 2.64 27.6
05-06 LAL 80 80 41.0 0.450 0.347 0.850 0.9 4.4 5.3 4.5 1.8 0.4 3.13 2.91 35.4
06-07 LAL 77 77 40.8 0.463 0.344 0.868 1.0 4.7 5.7 5.4 1.4 0.5 3.31 2.66 31.6
07-08 LAL 82 82 38.9 0.459 0.361 0.840 1.1 5.2 6.3 5.4 1.8 0.5 3.13 2.77 28.3

that is his stat line wen shaq first left

mind you the La squad didnt have no1 but butler n odom

kobe proved he can score wit the best of them without help hes jus insane

now you look at mjs stat
 8 years ago '06        #185
teh truth 2 heat pts
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86-87 CHI 82 82 40.0 .482 .182 .857 2.00 3.20 5.20 4.6 2.88 1.52 3.32 2.90 37.1
87-88 CHI 82 82 40.4 .535 .132 .841 1.70 3.80 5.50 5.9 3.16 1.60 3.07 3.30 35.0
88-89 CHI 81 81 40.2 .538 .276 .850 1.80 6.20 8.00 8.0 2.89 .80 3.58 3.00 32.5
89-90 CHI 82 82 39.0 .526 .376 .848 1.70 5.10 6.90 6.3 2.77 .66 3.01 2.90 33.6
90-91 CHI 82 82 37.0 .539 .312 .851 1.40 4.60 6.00 5.5 2.72 1.01 2.46 2.80 31.5
91-92 CHI 80 80 38.8 .519 .270 .832 1.10 5.30 6.40 6.1 2.28 .94 2.50 2.50 30.1
92-93 CHI 78 78 39.3 .495 .352 .837 1.70 5.00 6.70 5.5 2.83 .78 2.65 2.40 32.6
thats like 7 straight season wit 30 or more then his last 3 was his 3 peat year
 8 years ago '08        #186
Main Event 55 heat pts55
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 teh truth said:
see thats where you guys dont put wen comparing how

would of jordan been if he played with shaq the begining of his career?

and wat would kobe of been if he had jordans sspot?

f**k the stats wen comparing

your going to have to compare the rings n mvps if anything


i have no doubt kobe would have accomplish wat jordan did if he had jordans spot i mean his stats tell it for himself
Except for the fact that it already happened with Kobe, and that was when they traded Shaq and the Lakers missed the playoffs and when they made it they got beat by the Suns
 8 years ago '06        #187
teh truth 2 heat pts
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kobes legacy is starting now hes stats arent their but his

will hunger skill wise is up their wit Mj now the rings n the finals mvps to top

he will be goat if

he gets another 3 peat
 8 years ago '06        #188
teh truth 2 heat pts
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 Main Event said:
Except for the fact that it already happened with Kobe, and that was when they traded Shaq and the Lakers missed the playoffs and when they made it they got beat by the Suns
true but the lakeshow didnt even have a roster?????????????

making the playoffs that year would of meant kobe giving it all everygame in the regular season

but now with help he will cruise to the season and up it come playoff time???

and mind you this was years ago wen the west was a dominant force

making the playoffs in the west back then>>>making it to the playoffs in the east

i mean u put the lakers squad back then in the east and they are top 4 compared to the 7 n 8 spot
 8 years ago '06        #189
teh truth 2 heat pts
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kobes last 5 season will determine if he is wit jordan on top but for now he is jus below 1 lvl

jordan got all his rings at 30 n up
 8 years ago '06        #190
teh truth 2 heat pts
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jordan was also a force cuz he went to college hes skill was develope

compared to kobe he had to develope those skills while he was a rookie n wit a dominant center who needs the balll

how is that fair for kobe?
 8 years ago '08        #191
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 TheG1ftedOne said:
So Kobe has 5 rings and 1 less Finals MVP yet he still doesnt get the nod? Shaq was "the man" for 3 but Kobe averaged like what, 27 PPG in the playoffs in their last 2 title runs?

Lets not act like Kobe got carried You could argue that for their first ring, but other than that theres no debate.
No he doesnt get the nod he still is trailing in NBA finals MVPS so the big 3 would be Kobe 1 Shaq 1 and the final one a draw and tie goes to shaq because the 3 they have together Shaq was that n*gga on the squad....And was the 1st ring not the most difficult ring for the Lakers?

Ok lets go ahead and do this....Remove Kobe from the Lakers and insert lets say Tmac/Iverson at the time, you could really sit down and make a case the Lakers still make and win the finals, i dare you to name a center that you could have inserted at the time with the Lakers and said the same thing
 8 years ago '06        #192
teh truth 2 heat pts
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to end it

jordan was the best in his era

n

to end it

kobe is going to be the best in his era cuz i dont think shaq n duncan still got it

this is kobes time

2straight finals appearnce make it 3

1 loss to boston they werent ready

now lets see if he can go back 2 back wit his squad
 8 years ago '06        #193
teh truth 2 heat pts
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we got some good haters out here we al know shaq carried him the first ring but after that it was a split

you would have kobe in the 1st round dominant then next round he will cool down feed the big feellla than so on each round

kobe then shaq kobe then shaq

cuz thats how dominant we were back then
 8 years ago '06        #194
teh truth 2 heat pts
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bbut u cant argue the Fronnt Office made the right move

kobe>>shaq
 8 years ago '08        #195
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 teh truth said:
true but the lakeshow didnt even have a roster?????????????

making the playoffs that year would of meant kobe giving it all everygame in the regular season

but now with help he will cruise to the season and up it come playoff time???

and mind you this was years ago wen the west was a dominant force

making the playoffs in the west back then>>>making it to the playoffs in the east

i mean u put the lakers squad back then in the east and they are top 4 compared to the 7 n 8 spot
Do you really want me to insert the roster Jordan had his 1st season? Yes Kobe had a bad roster but 3/4ths of BX couldnt name the players on Jordans roster his rookie season...Kobe would have done the same thing with the Bulls if not worse because Kobe was not as good as Jordan was when they entered the league

Edit: And really you said this "jordan was also a force cuz he went to college hes skill was develope compared to kobe he had to develope those skills while he was a rookie n wit a dominant center who needs the balll how is that fair for kobe?"

Well maybe Kobe should have went to college like Jordan and won a national player of the year like Jordan so he got drafted by a worse team and wouldnt of had to worry about playing with Shaq and thus eliminating this debate were having right now


Last edited by Main Event; 03-03-2010 at 12:20 PM..
 8 years ago '09        #196
TheG1ftedOne 4 heat pts
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 Main Event said:
No he doesnt get the nod he still is trailing in NBA finals MVPS so the big 3 would be Kobe 1 Shaq 1 and the final one a draw and tie goes to shaq because the 3 they have together Shaq was that n*gga on the squad....And was the 1st ring not the most difficult ring for the Lakers?

Ok lets go ahead and do this....Remove Kobe from the Lakers and insert lets say Tmac/Iverson at the time, you could really sit down and make a case the Lakers still make and win the finals, i dare you to name a center that you could have inserted at the time with the Lakers and said the same thing
You could make the case, but you dont know the real answer (no pun). Kobe is considered one of the best of all-time while Iverson and TMac have been failures for their career in winning something.
 8 years ago '04        #197
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 teh truth said:
04-05 LAL 66 66 40.7 0.433 0.339 0.816 1.4 4.5 5.9 6.0 1.3 0.8 4.09 2.64 27.6
05-06 LAL 80 80 41.0 0.450 0.347 0.850 0.9 4.4 5.3 4.5 1.8 0.4 3.13 2.91 35.4
06-07 LAL 77 77 40.8 0.463 0.344 0.868 1.0 4.7 5.7 5.4 1.4 0.5 3.31 2.66 31.6
07-08 LAL 82 82 38.9 0.459 0.361 0.840 1.1 5.2 6.3 5.4 1.8 0.5 3.13 2.77 28.3

that is his stat line wen shaq first left

mind you the La squad didnt have no1 but butler n odom

kobe proved he can score wit the best of them without help hes jus insane

now you look at mjs stat
Kobe's high in FG% is lower than Jordan's career low in FG% during their scoring years...

And Jordan was averaging 32+ yearly on 2pt field goals and free throws at 50% shooting while still winning and did not have to play 41 minutes a game to do it... One year averaged 31+ in 37 minutes... Looking at the per 36 minutes stat Kobe's scoring numbers during those years arent close to Jordan's
 8 years ago '06        #198
beantown 74 heat pts74
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LOL ar eyou serious? He won 3 titles with Shaq winning 3 straight finals MVPs it's not by accident. The Lakers could've won more if it Kobe didn't run Shaq outta town he doens't get credit for that s**t :laughing9: Kobe stans are hilarious

Was Portland and other teams in the West, and teams like Philly who got Dikembe doing that to guard against Kobe no it was to try to attempt to stop Shaq which they still couldn't do. Kobe could've been replaced by Steve Smith and they stil woulda spanked those teams in the finals. not to mention Timothy Donaghy.
 8 years ago '04        #199
wheezyfbaby 9 heat pts
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Might as well name him Kobe Dangerfield.
 8 years ago '04        #200
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 TheG1ftedOne said:
You could make the case, but you dont know the real answer (no pun). Kobe is considered one of the best of all-time while Iverson and TMac have been failures for their career in winning something.
Well the Lakers during the 3 peat were 25-7 without Kobe...

I think there is more evidence pointing to the fact that any good perimeter player with Shaq will win or at least make the finals then there is evidence showing the Lakers would not have won without Kobe...
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