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 8 years ago '05        #141
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 IAmazeMyself said:
Rose got Luol and Noah, Flip deadly off the bench. No excuses.
Did you just say Joakim Noah and Flip Murray are good shooters? You don't watch the NBA do you? Be honest..
 02-27-2010, 10:29 PM         #142
IAmazeMyself  OP
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 Hold That said:
Did you just say Joakim Noah and Flip Murray are good shooters? You don't watch the NBA do you? Be honest..
Noah is wet son. is you talking about
 8 years ago '07        #143
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 ChiCity Fingaz said:
What does a.ssists have to do with 3-point percentages of point guards? And now you're bringing up man to man defenses?

You really have no clue.
because we were talkin about efficiency smart guy.not just 3 point shooting which i didnt even mention initially

and u need to stop watchin ball if u dont undastand tha difference between tha shots u get vs man to man,and vs a zone.
well u really need to stop watchin ball anyway
 8 years ago '05        #144
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 GLOCKN SKIMASK said:
why is pargo in the league that n*gga have to be the worst nba player in the league
This n*gga took as many shots as Rose today and played 10 less minutes. Del Negro needs to be fired.
 8 years ago '08        #145
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Pargo looked like a Nba Legend with Chris Paul and was good before when he played with the Bulls. Looks like u gotta use the coaching scape goat on that one.
 02-27-2010, 10:42 PM         #146
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 Andre3stacks said:
Pargo looked like a Nba Legend with Chris Paul and was good before when he played with the Bulls. Looks like u gotta use the coaching scape goat on that one.

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 8 years ago '05        #147
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 r.burgundy said:
and please enlighten us as to what type of player compliments rose?
Derrick Roses game primarily revolves around driving and kicking. In order for him to rack up a.ssist he's going to need a big man who actually can play pick and roll and pick and pop. He's going to need gaurds who can knock down a 3point shot with consistently.

Gaurds who would help D. Rose would be
Kevin Martin,Ray Allen, Anthony Morrow, Raja Bell in his younder days, and even JJ redd*ck(but that would be a horrible defensive backcourt) and C.j watson.

Big men who compliment Rose are

KG,Boozer,Bosh,Amare,Bargnani,West,Aldridge, Rashard Lewis or any big who can kncok down a 15footer at an impressive clip to punish the defense when they double Rose off the pick and roll or possibly cut to the basket time to time.
 8 years ago '04        #148
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 Hold That said:
Wait, he'll hit a couple of shots yet his midrange is 44%,FG is 48% and his TS is 52%?


Time for me to head back to real gm my basketball knowledge feels lowered to even discuss basketball with you idiots.
I'm from tha Chi, relax yo. The point of my post was that ppl care about his comprehension skills when it comes 2 ballin as opposed 2 making baskets




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 8 years ago '05        #149
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 Andre3stacks said:
Pargo looked like a Nba Legend with Chris Paul and was good before when he played with the Bulls. Looks like u gotta use the coaching scape goat on that one.
He did? So explain to me why he was playing in europe after he left the hornets...

People on boxden love to talk out their a.sses..
 02-27-2010, 10:47 PM         #150
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Derrick Roses game primarily revolves around driving and kicking. In order for him to rack up a.ssist he's going to need a big man who actually can play pick and roll and pick and pop. He's going to need gaurds who can knock down a 3point shot with consistently.

Gaurds who would help D. Rose would be
Kevin Martin,Ray Allen, Anthony Morrow, Raja Bell in his younder days, and even JJ redd*ck(but that would be a horrible defensive backcourt) and C.j watson.

Big men who compliment Rose are

KG,Boozer,Bosh,Amare,Bargnani,West,Aldridge, Rashard Lewis or any big who can kncok down a 15footer at an impressive clip to punish the defense when they double Rose off the pick and roll or possibly cut to the basket time to time.
Why can't Rose play like Westbrook drive to the rack, draw attention and kick out to Kristic for a open mid-range (Brad Miller/Gibson) or open/slashing Jeff Green (Luol Deng)? plus y'all got Flip now best shooter on the team.
 8 years ago '04        #151
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Last time I checked Westbrook has 3 more playoff wins than Rose with Durant and Jeff green on his team.




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 8 years ago '05        #152
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He did? So explain to me why he was playing in europe after he left the hornets...

People on boxden love to talk out their a.sses..
Nobody offered him a contract like Russia did, so he dipped I know the Spurs were looking at him but not sure who the other team was. But they did not offer what Russia threw out there.


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 8 years ago '07        #153
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 Hold That said:
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Derrick Roses game primarily revolves around driving and kicking. In order for him to rack up a.ssist he's going to need a big man who actually can play pick and roll and pick and pop. He's going to need gaurds who can knock down a 3point shot with consistently.

Gaurds who would help D. Rose would be
Kevin Martin,Ray Allen, Anthony Morrow, Raja Bell in his younder days, and even JJ redd*ck(but that would be a horrible defensive backcourt) and C.j watson.

Big men who compliment Rose are

KG,Boozer,Bosh,Amare,Bargnani,West,Aldridge, Rashard Lewis or any big who can kncok down a 15footer at an impressive clip to punish the defense when they double Rose off the pick and roll or possibly cut to the basket time to time.
he drives an kicks because he has poor court vision and thats all he can create for his team mates.which really limits there effectiveness bein as how he has tha ball so much

lmao,who in tha hell wouldnt those guys compliment
brad miller hits 15 footers betta than all those guys
 8 years ago '08        #154
Andre3stacks 20 heat pts20
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 Hold That said:
He did? So explain to me why he was playing in europe after he left the hornets...

People on boxden love to talk out their a.sses..
I didn't say he was good without them now did I?? Im pretty sure he had a better offer overseas.
 8 years ago '08        #155
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and in response to the Durant help ofcourse Durant is better than anything the Bulls have. But last year without Durant Westbrook still managed to average about 6 a.ssists or near to what he averaged all together last year. Team went 5-2 without Durant during that stretch. best player he had to work with was Jeff Green. Hinrich, Noah, Deng, Brad Miler>Jeff Green, and whatever Westbrook was workin with without Durant during that stretch. and I know u dont wanna bring up that team Rose was workin with last year with Gordon and Salmons. U actin like Westbrook is a scrub which is funny to me and like Rose has proven himself.


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 8 years ago '05        #156
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 IAmazeMyself said:
Why can't Rose play like Westbrook drive to the rack, draw attention and kick out to Kristic for a open mid-range (Brad Miller/Gibson) or open/slashing Jeff Green (Luol Deng)? plus y'all got Flip now best shooter on the team.
He does actually, but Brad Miller has been having a down year or maybe age has finally caught up to him because he's not hitting that open 15footer like he was in Sacto, when he gets the ball he often looks to pass at the top of the key for a slasher. I honestly don't have a problem with this because he's a pretty good passer. Gibson has a nice jumper and probably is credited to half of Roses a.ssist this year, but his jumper is not that reliable and where it needs to be to be a serious threat. he's only a rookie and wasn't really known much for his offensive game in college at USC. Even though he's a lot better offensively than what I expected.

As for the Luol Deng question, you would think Deng and Rose would be a deadly combo, and it really should be, but our offensive sets with Deng usually have him going on iso and creating for himself, sometimes he comes off screens for a jumper but he's really not thatt fast so the defender usually catches up to him and then hell proceed to create for himself of the dribble.


You might not believe me and honestly I don't care but there is almost never anyone cuttiing to the basket on pick and rolls or when rolls drives. They almost always drift out to the perimeter, this can be a testiment to a lack of coaching. I'm not trying to let Rose off the hook either because he's also to predictable with his passing, he needs to improve on that. When I say predictable I don't mean that it will lead to turnovers but you can tell when he's going to pass and when he's going to score.

Some of what Rose does is his fault but majority is not when it comes not getting a.ssist.
 8 years ago '05        #157
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 Andre3stacks said:
I didn't say he was good without them now did I?? Im pretty sure he had a better offer overseas.
If chris paul made him look as good as you were hinting he wouldn't have been playing over seas for 2mil per year.
 8 years ago '05        #158
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 r.burgundy said:
he drives an kicks because he has poor court vision and thats all he can create for his team mates.which really limits there effectiveness bein as how he has tha ball so much

lmao,who in tha hell wouldnt those guys compliment
brad miller hits 15 footers betta than all those guys
Please don't respond to me if you can't engaged in a real basketball discussion. I know you try to fill your post with jokes and simple one liners to hide your lack of basketball knowledge, but that doesn't work on me. Because trying to convince someone who is an obvious idiot is something I don't want to waste my time on..
 8 years ago '08        #159
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 Hold That said:
If chris paul made him look as good as you were hinting he wouldn't have been playing over seas for 2mil per year.
Im pretty sure it was 3.8 million
 8 years ago '05        #160
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 Andre3stacks said:
Im pretty sure it was 3.8 million
And I'm pretty sure he didn't have many offers on the table after he left the Hornets, which is the reason why he was negotiating with euro teams in the first place, and left europe as soon as he got his next chance too.

Seriously stop making up s**t, CP3 didn't make pargo any better because pargo is a f**kin chucker that can not be hellped.
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