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Is the Pac Man on HGH
Yes 41 54.67%
No 34 45.33%
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 8 years ago '09        #41
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 VictoryThagr8 said:
Yall are idiots.

Pacquaio already agreed on drug test, its that Floyd and his team keep getting stricter on their demand of the drug test and keep adding s**t. Why is that Pacquaio already signed the contract and then floyd add more BS everytime pacquaio agreed to something. FLoyd is the only one who didnt sign the contract. And people act like its just a tablespoon of blood. You do realize they take multiple sample for each drug test. It basically Pacquaio didnt want any testing on the day and day before the f!ght. Pacquaio basically wanted the same testers who does the NFL while floyd wanted the Olympic style test. And the NFL testers would actually allow random blood test till 2 days before the f!ght.
Unless I was read the other day was false information, from what I saw, they do a test right after the f!ght, and they would not be allowed to test 48 hours prior to the f!ght. The testings would be random up until that point. And if that's the case, that pretty much destroyed your argument. Everything else you said, was pretty much opinion so I'll leave that alone.
 8 years ago '04        #42
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 StateProperty88 said:
however they do say that it does has sometimes of unreliability
thats what i was saying, its not entirely reliable, it can show that your levels are up but doesnt necessarily mean hgh
 8 years ago '08        #43
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 VictoryThagr8 said:
Yall are idiots.

Pacquaio already agreed on drug test, its that Floyd and his team keep getting stricter on their demand of the drug test and keep adding s**t. Why is that Pacquaio already signed the contract and then floyd add more BS everytime pacquaio agreed to something. FLoyd is the only one who didnt sign the contract. And people act like its just a tablespoon of blood. You do realize they take multiple sample for each drug test. It basically Pacquaio didnt want any testing on the day and day before the f!ght. Pacquaio basically wanted the same testers who does the NFL while floyd wanted the Olympic style test. And the NFL testers would actually allow random blood test till 2 days before the f!ght. Most of the idiots on here get their news from ESPN who actually dont follow boxing. Because he already agreed on the drug test, but the part they didnt agree on is which agency is doing the testing.

And add the fact pacquaio is planning to take the mayweather to court. because pacquaio already threaten Floyd sr to take him to court for being the guy who started the whole steroid allegation. Because nobody talked about roid until his dumbass open his mouth because pacquaio destroyed his boxer hatton in two rounds. So in other word pacquaio is basically tired of the mayweather finding new excuses for floyd to not sign the contract. Because first it was money, then it was the date, then it venue, then it was the f**king drug test, then its which agency they wanted to test which is where they couldnt agree, and floyd's team trying to make pacquaio the one who looks like the guilty man when its basically them not agreeing to which agency doing the test. And the reason is because Pacquaio retired both of Golden Boy's two biggest cash cow(hatton and oscar) is why GBP , along with floyd are trying to slander pacquaio. Also add that floyd doesnt agree with 10 million dollar penelty for every pound over which i dont know how it gets swept under the rug especially after he cheated marquez in the weight.


Either way both sides needs to put their ego to the side and sign the f**king f!ght. Because Pacquaio only has til march to f!ght and add that he also is running for congress in the phillipines and if wins his election that he is retiring from boxing or if he lose then most likely we see floyd vs pacquaio in november.
1) Manny was the one that through out the March 11th date and then Roach and Arum said no way in hell he takes the f!ght..Floyd takes the f!ght and then thats when Roach said they needed more time for Floyd because he was better than anyone they have faced..Thats when Arum had to actually go to the Phillipines to have Manny take the date and sign the contract.



2) How are you gonna sit here and talk about the venue when Manny is being just as difficult as Floyd saying he wont f!ght in the Staples Center and Floyd said he'd prefer Vegas over Dallas so how is that on Floyd when there both saying no to one location?




3) The drug test that Manny wants to take is easier to hide and possibly get away with cheating than the olympic because is random meaning you cant decide when to possibly stop taking whatever he is taking if he is indeed doing something illegal.......Manny wants urine test,Floyd wants blood tests.......

.“Most states don’t test for steroids,” says Dr. Margaret Goodman, former Nevada Chief Ringside Physician and Chairman of the Nevada State Athletic Commission Medical Advisory Board. “In Nevada, we test f!ghters on championship cards. In New Jersey, they test every f!ghter for steroids. If we’d do what’s done in the Olympics or what the World Anti-Doping Agency recommends – sporadically test them during training – that would really be the best way. But if you check them right before or after a f!ght, they’ll test negative. Boxers are just as smart as anyone else and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to go online and look at how long a certain drug stays in your system.”

"There is no urine-based tested for human-growth hormone," Tygart said. "It doesn’t show up in the urine. It’s only a blood-based test. That’s true of a number of prohibited substances, particularly those that would enhance and aid a boxer.”Tygert also added the schedule Arum is proposing won't work, because a f!ghter would have the advantage of knowing when he'd be tested.

“The fundamental principle is that the time and place of testing is in the domain of the governing body, not of the athlete,” Wadler told Yahoo! Sports. “It would lose all its validity if the athlete could pick and choose when he is going to be tested and for what he’s going to be tested for and how he’s going to be tested. They’re sophisticated enough now that if someone wanted to, you could play the calendar to your advantage."

And to Arum's notion that Pacquaio will feel "weakened" by getting his blood drawn close to the f!ght? Victor Conte, the founder of Bay-Area Laboratory Cooperative (BALCO), said the tests would have no physical effect on either f!ghter.

4) Floyd was the one who said 50-50 dont get it twisted Roach is the one talking 60-40 for Manny







5) You should f**kin retire target practice Hatton and Oscar who went to a weight he had not been to in 9 years....And i already know the response thats coming "Well Manny beat Hatton in 2 and k!lled Oscar while Floyd beat him in 10 and Oscar by UD" Difference is Manny= Offensive f!ghter while Floyd = Defensive f!ghter...Hatton leaves his jaw out and if he actually listened to the man your bashing Floyd SR. maybe hes not laid down dead in the middle of the ring (he would took an L but he wouldnt of looked that bad i bet) and Floyd fought oscar at his original weight bigger gloves and Oscar picked the ring size, Manny had him at a much smaller weight and got to actually pick the size of his gloves


This f!ght will get made im not worried about that...Merry Christmas


Last edited by Main Event; 12-25-2009 at 09:27 AM..
 12-25-2009, 09:21 AM         #44
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 Main Event said:
1) Manny was the one that through out the March 11th date and then Roach and Arum said no way in hell he takes the f!ght..Floyd takes the f!ght and then thats when Roach said they needed more time for Floyd because he was better than anyone they have faced..Thats when Arum had to actually go to the Phillipines to have Manny take the date and sign the contract.

2) How are you gonna sit here and talk about the venue when Manny is being just as difficult as Floyd saying he wont f!ght in the Staples Center and Floyd said he'd prefer Vegas over Dallas so how is that on Floyd when there both saying no to one location?

3) The drug test that Manny wants to take is easier to hide and possibly get away with cheating than the olympic because is random meaning you cant decide when to possibly stop taking whatever he is taking if he is indeed doing something illegal.......Manny wants urine test,Floyd wants blood tests.......

.“Most states don’t test for steroids,” says Dr. Margaret Goodman, former Nevada Chief Ringside Physician and Chairman of the Nevada State Athletic Commission Medical Advisory Board. “In Nevada, we test f!ghters on championship cards. In New Jersey, they test every f!ghter for steroids. If we’d do what’s done in the Olympics or what the World Anti-Doping Agency recommends – sporadically test them during training – that would really be the best way. But if you check them right before or after a f!ght, they’ll test negative. Boxers are just as smart as anyone else and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to go online and look at how long a certain drug stays in your system.”

"There is no urine-based tested for human-growth hormone," Tygart said. "It doesn’t show up in the urine. It’s only a blood-based test. That’s true of a number of prohibited substances, particularly those that would enhance and aid a boxer.”Tygert also added the schedule Arum is proposing won't work, because a f!ghter would have the advantage of knowing when he'd be tested.

“The fundamental principle is that the time and place of testing is in the domain of the governing body, not of the athlete,” Wadler told Yahoo! Sports. “It would lose all its validity if the athlete could pick and choose when he is going to be tested and for what he’s going to be tested for and how he’s going to be tested. They’re sophisticated enough now that if someone wanted to, you could play the calendar to your advantage."

And to Arum's notion that Pacquaio will feel "weakened" by getting his blood drawn close to the f!ght? Victor Conte, the founder of Bay-Area Laboratory Cooperative (BALCO), said the tests would have no physical effect on either f!ghter.

4) Floyd was the one who said 50-50 dont get it twisted Roach is the one talking 60-40 for Manny







5) You should f**kin retire target practice Hatton and Oscar who went to a weight he had not been to in 9 years....And i already know the response thats coming "Well Manny beat Hatton in 2 and k!lled Oscar while Floyd beat him in 10 and Oscar by UD" Difference is Manny= Offensive f!ghter while Floyd = Defensive f!ghter...Hatton leaves his jaw out and if he actually listened to the man your bashing Floyd SR. maybe hes not laid down dead in the middle of the ring (he would took an L but he wouldnt of looked that bad i bet) and Floyd fought oscar at his original weight bigger gloves and Oscar picked the ring size, Manny had him at a much smaller weight and got to actually pick the size of his gloves


This f!ght will get made im not worried about that...Merry Christmas
 8 years ago '04        #45
VictoryThagr8 6 heat pts
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 Main Event said:
1) Manny was the one that through out the March 11th date and then Roach and Arum said no way in hell he takes the f!ght..Floyd takes the f!ght and then thats when Roach said they needed more time for Floyd because he was better than anyone they have faced..Thats when Arum had to actually go to the Phillipines to have Manny take the date and sign the contract.

2) How are you gonna sit here and talk about the venue when Manny is being just as difficult as Floyd saying he wont f!ght in the Staples Center and Floyd said he'd prefer Vegas over Dallas so how is that on Floyd when there both saying no to one location?

3) The drug test that Manny wants to take is easier to hide and possibly get away with cheating than the olympic because is random meaning you cant decide when to possibly stop taking whatever he is taking if he is indeed doing something illegal.......Manny wants urine test,Floyd wants blood tests.......

.“Most states don’t test for steroids,” says Dr. Margaret Goodman, former Nevada Chief Ringside Physician and Chairman of the Nevada State Athletic Commission Medical Advisory Board. “In Nevada, we test f!ghters on championship cards. In New Jersey, they test every f!ghter for steroids. If we’d do what’s done in the Olympics or what the World Anti-Doping Agency recommends – sporadically test them during training – that would really be the best way. But if you check them right before or after a f!ght, they’ll test negative. Boxers are just as smart as anyone else and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to go online and look at how long a certain drug stays in your system.”

"There is no urine-based tested for human-growth hormone," Tygart said. "It doesn’t show up in the urine. It’s only a blood-based test. That’s true of a number of prohibited substances, particularly those that would enhance and aid a boxer.”Tygert also added the schedule Arum is proposing won't work, because a f!ghter would have the advantage of knowing when he'd be tested.

“The fundamental principle is that the time and place of testing is in the domain of the governing body, not of the athlete,” Wadler told Yahoo! Sports. “It would lose all its validity if the athlete could pick and choose when he is going to be tested and for what he’s going to be tested for and how he’s going to be tested. They’re sophisticated enough now that if someone wanted to, you could play the calendar to your advantage."

And to Arum's notion that Pacquaio will feel "weakened" by getting his blood drawn close to the f!ght? Victor Conte, the founder of Bay-Area Laboratory Cooperative (BALCO), said the tests would have no physical effect on either f!ghter.

4) Floyd was the one who said 50-50 dont get it twisted Roach is the one talking 60-40 for Manny







5) You should f**kin retire target practice Hatton and Oscar who went to a weight he had not been to in 9 years....And i already know the response thats coming "Well Manny beat Hatton in 2 and k!lled Oscar while Floyd beat him in 10 and Oscar by UD" Difference is Manny= Offensive f!ghter while Floyd = Defensive f!ghter...Hatton leaves his jaw out and if he actually listened to the man your bashing Floyd SR. maybe hes not laid down dead in the middle of the ring (he would took an L but he wouldnt of looked that bad i bet) and Floyd fought oscar at his original weight bigger gloves and Oscar picked the ring size, Manny had him at a much smaller weight and got to actually pick the size of his gloves


This f!ght will get made im not worried about that...Merry Christmas
I know the f!ght will be made. Too much money is involved. I just cant stand people who didnt follow this whole negotiation like some people did. Because if they did, then they know how much s**t was going on. This wasnt the first bump they hit.


But you are taking the Oscar and Hatton thing wrong. Also Oscar was the one who picked the weight class for pacquaio since it was basically Oscar ducking margarito to f!ght a the a lightweight who only had 1 f!ght over 130 which was at 135 and Pacquaio had to jump 2 weight class to destroy oscar. Actually nobody outside of Pacquaio fan even gave Oscar a chance. Actually its oscar fault that Marquez vs Pacquaio didnt happen at 135.

And also the venue thing...nobody wanted to f!ght in the staple center due to state taxes. Both floyd and Manny did not want to f!ght there at all. The only choice were Vegas and dallas due too both place have no state taxes.


And also following pacquaio, dont ever ever listen to Roach, Arum, or Koncz because they usually don't know what Pacquaio want since he is very hard to get contacted with when he is the phillipines. You notice everything gets cleared up every time Arum flies to the phillipines to speak with Pacquaio person to person. s**t remember when Hatton vs pacquaio got called off, arum flies to the phillipines later its back on. Same s**t happen when pacquaio fought oscar and they called off the f!ght and it was back on a few days later. Cotto f!ght also got called off and went back on a few days later after arum flies to the phillipines.

The problem with this is the Arum and floyd hate eachother with a passion. And both are trying to screw eachother over.

Im just tired of people who act like floyd signed the f!ght when he was the only he didnt. Pacquaio already signed the contract.


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 12-25-2009, 09:30 AM         #46
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 StateProperty88 said:
however they do say that it does has sometimes of unreliability
Who is they?
 8 years ago '04        #47
VictoryThagr8 6 heat pts
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I also wanted to say this. Floyd and his team claim pacquaio would be easy f!ght in the park, and called pacquaio unskilled, but yet they claim pacquaio is on roid. I guess this is floyd's way to say that pacquaio is actually a real threat to him.
 8 years ago '08        #48
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 VictoryThagr8 said:
I know the f!ght will be made. Too much money is involved. I just cant stand people who didnt follow this whole negotiation like some people did. Because if they did, then they know how much s**t was going on. This wasnt the first bump they hit.


But you are taking the Oscar and Hatton thing wrong. Also Oscar was the one who picked the weight class for pacquaio since it was basically Oscar ducking margarito to f!ght a the a lightweight who only had 1 f!ght over 130 which was at 135 and Pacquaio had to jump 2 weight class to destroy oscar. Actually nobody outside of Pacquaio fan even gave Oscar a chance. Actually its oscar fault that Marquez vs Pacquaio didnt happen at 135.

And also the venue thing...nobody wanted to f!ght in the staple center due to state taxes. Both floyd and Manny did not want to f!ght there at all. The only choice were Vegas and dallas due too both place have no state taxes.


And also following pacquaio, dont ever ever listen to Roach, Arum, or Koncz because they usually don't know what Pacquaio want since he is very hard to get contacted with when he is the phillipines. You notice everything gets cleared up every time Arum flies to the phillipines to speak with Pacquaio person to person. s**t remember when Hatton vs pacquaio got called off, arum flies to the phillipines later its back on. Same s**t happen when pacquaio fought oscar and they called off the f!ght and it was back on a few days later. Cotto f!ght also got called off and went back on a few days later after arum flies to the phillipines.

The problem with this is the Arum and floyd hate eachother with a passion. And both are trying to screw eachother over.

Im just tired of people who act like floyd signed the f!ght when he was the only he didnt. Pacquaio already signed the contract.
Floyd/Oscar got called off like 3times same with Hatton/Floyd same with Manny/Cotto your pretty much right Arums hate for Floyd and Floyds hate for Arum is the reason this is going to be harder than most f!ghts....I just wish Manny would just come out and speak for himself because in a recent interview he said he wasnt afraid of needles so really Roach/Arum are making him look terrible....Im sure they'll compromise on a test because neither of them will make a third of what they will make in this f!ght if they f!ght anybody else
 12-25-2009, 09:47 AM         #49
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 MELODY said:
JUST WONDERING WHAT YOU STANS ARE GONNA SAY ONCE MANNY KNOCKS OUT PRETTY BOY AND HAS PASSED ALL HIS DRUG TEST?
I want you to put some money up soooooo bad, but I know you're not dumb enough or courageous enough to take that bet.
 8 years ago '04        #50
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 Main Event said:
Floyd/Oscar got called off like 3times same with Hatton/Floyd same with Manny/Cotto your pretty much right Arums hate for Floyd and Floyds hate for Arum is the reason this is going to be harder than most f!ghts....I just wish Manny would just come out and speak for himself because in a recent interview he said he wasnt afraid of needles so really Roach/Arum are making him look terrible....Im sure they'll compromise on a test because neither of them will make a third of what they will make in this f!ght if they f!ght anybody else

Problem with manny speaking for himself in the US is that he lives in the phillipines and currently is a middle of a controversy of having a affair with an actress. He already cleared s**t up in the phillipines news outlet about the whole blood test thing but ESPN
 12-25-2009, 09:56 AM         #51
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Giving a pinch of blood aint gone do nothin. Its sounding real suspect, maybe he might be on somethin
 8 years ago '04        #52
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 MELODY said:
JUST WONDERING WHAT YOU STANS ARE GONNA SAY ONCE MANNY KNOCKS OUT PRETTY BOY AND HAS PASSED ALL HIS DRUG TEST?
Lmao, marquez stood toe to toe with manny, shouldve beat him, floyd destroyed marquez, manny would possibly lose against floyd
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 8 years ago '09        #53
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nah, Floyd is trying to psych him out, if i was Pacquiao I would just do the test for 20 mil, and a possible rematch in the late summer for even more money
 8 years ago '08        #54
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 VictoryThagr8 said:
Problem with manny speaking for himself in the US is that he lives in the phillipines and currently is a middle of a controversy of having a affair with an actress. He already cleared s**t up in the phillipines news outlet about the whole blood test thing but ESPN
He needs to do this in the US because hes always going to have the support from the phillipines even though dude just cheated on his wife but people in the US think dude is suspect..Either way give it a week and im sure this f!ght will be called back on especially since the press conference to announce the f!ght is in like 2 weeks i think
 8 years ago '04        #55
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floys never ask any other f!ghter to take olympic test that he fought...... floyd is shook he dont wanna c pacman
 8 years ago '05        #56
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 Dimone293 said:
floys never ask any other f!ghter to take olympic test that he fought...... floyd is shook he dont wanna c pacman
how you sound...floyd undefeated and gonna get 20 mil off this @ you really thinking he shook and dont want to f!ght him
 8 years ago '07        #57
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 Main Event said:
1) Manny was the one that through out the March 11th date and then Roach and Arum said no way in hell he takes the f!ght..Floyd takes the f!ght and then thats when Roach said they needed more time for Floyd because he was better than anyone they have faced..Thats when Arum had to actually go to the Phillipines to have Manny take the date and sign the contract.



2) How are you gonna sit here and talk about the venue when Manny is being just as difficult as Floyd saying he wont f!ght in the Staples Center and Floyd said he'd prefer Vegas over Dallas so how is that on Floyd when there both saying no to one location?




3) The drug test that Manny wants to take is easier to hide and possibly get away with cheating than the olympic because is random meaning you cant decide when to possibly stop taking whatever he is taking if he is indeed doing something illegal.......Manny wants urine test,Floyd wants blood tests.......

.“Most states don’t test for steroids,” says Dr. Margaret Goodman, former Nevada Chief Ringside Physician and Chairman of the Nevada State Athletic Commission Medical Advisory Board. “In Nevada, we test f!ghters on championship cards. In New Jersey, they test every f!ghter for steroids. If we’d do what’s done in the Olympics or what the World Anti-Doping Agency recommends – sporadically test them during training – that would really be the best way. But if you check them right before or after a f!ght, they’ll test negative. Boxers are just as smart as anyone else and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to go online and look at how long a certain drug stays in your system.”

"There is no urine-based tested for human-growth hormone," Tygart said. "It doesn’t show up in the urine. It’s only a blood-based test. That’s true of a number of prohibited substances, particularly those that would enhance and aid a boxer.”Tygert also added the schedule Arum is proposing won't work, because a f!ghter would have the advantage of knowing when he'd be tested.

“The fundamental principle is that the time and place of testing is in the domain of the governing body, not of the athlete,” Wadler told Yahoo! Sports. “It would lose all its validity if the athlete could pick and choose when he is going to be tested and for what he’s going to be tested for and how he’s going to be tested. They’re sophisticated enough now that if someone wanted to, you could play the calendar to your advantage."

And to Arum's notion that Pacquaio will feel "weakened" by getting his blood drawn close to the f!ght? Victor Conte, the founder of Bay-Area Laboratory Cooperative (BALCO), said the tests would have no physical effect on either f!ghter.

4) Floyd was the one who said 50-50 dont get it twisted Roach is the one talking 60-40 for Manny







5) You should f**kin retire target practice Hatton and Oscar who went to a weight he had not been to in 9 years....And i already know the response thats coming "Well Manny beat Hatton in 2 and k!lled Oscar while Floyd beat him in 10 and Oscar by UD" Difference is Manny= Offensive f!ghter while Floyd = Defensive f!ghter...Hatton leaves his jaw out and if he actually listened to the man your bashing Floyd SR. maybe hes not laid down dead in the middle of the ring (he would took an L but he wouldnt of looked that bad i bet) and Floyd fought oscar at his original weight bigger gloves and Oscar picked the ring size, Manny had him at a much smaller weight and got to actually pick the size of his gloves


This f!ght will get made im not worried about that...Merry Christmas
Get em!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...U beat me to it
 8 years ago '04        #58
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Ducking em all. Didn't want Margarito, Cotto, Williams or Mosely. Next on the duck list PacMan.



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 bangab**ch said:
I don't think people are thinking manny is afraid of floyd, it's that he's afraid of what the test might reveal. if he has nothing to hide then there shouldn't be a problem with the olympic style testing.

the olympic style testing can't be too rigourous to disrupt the preparation for a f!ght when you have olympic athletes doing the same testing for their own respective events with no problem.
Olympic style testing is very rigorous and invasive.
The fact that it's completely random and Pacquiao does a lot of his training in the Philippines is an obstacle.
Second, I don't know why people are carrying on this fallacy about it being only "a tablespoon" worth of blood. It's not, and those people are wrong.

And as far as I've heard, Pacquiao hasn't declined the entire notion of drug testing, but just declined the olympic style drug testing that is obviously more in the benefit of Mayweather since he trains completely in the states and doesn't have to go through a ton of roadblocks to get his blood submitted for testing.

Pacquiao agreed to scheduled drug tests (OMG, he's cycling steroids!!) already..
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