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Who will win this game?
Giants will get a road win in Mile High 11 57.89%
Broncos will win and get back in the win column 8 42.11%
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 7 years ago '07        #441
Dope Bai 1 heat pts
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Also, I noticed last night, a few times that Eli would drop back to throw, he would have mad time, and a couple of open receivers underneath 5/6 yards or so, overlook them and try to squeeze a 10/15 yard pass into Manningham or Smith, who would covered and not open.

That is not the Giants football they have been playing the past two years...Take the 5/6 yards, and get the short yardage on 2nd and 3rd down...It doesn't make sense...
 11-27-2009, 11:54 AM         #442
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 24/7foamz said:
its simple.he's paid now with a ring.look at plax performance on the field last year before he decided to blast himself
What's up my n*gga....?
 11-27-2009, 12:13 PM         #443
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 Dope Bai said:
I don't know what else to say, I am very dissappointed in the g men this year. They still have a slim chance, but if they it up at this rate, they don't deserve it...
Slim chance? They looked like s**t when all you Giants fans attacked Eli, once they got to the playoffs the record didn't matter, looks like all that stomping out talk is dead, now you guys are back to criticizing and attacking the team with your head down in shame. You guys have as good a chance at winning as the Boys and Eagles Saints and Vikings, all have been choking for years.
 7 years ago '07        #444
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 Syphernix said:
another disappointing week

and again agree with what you said, it's to a point where the problems have become so apparent to everyone except the ones who the blame should be placed on

Coughlin
Tim Lewis....i mean sheridan
and gilbride (no his fault as much this past game)/ Jacobs- for not shooting thru the lil holes that were there trying to be finesse

as i said i refuse to believe within the course of a year we've gotten worse(defense that is) with better talent than last year
jacobs dont care he's paid now and im pretty sure he have some incentive in his contract stating if he play all 16 games he gets X amount of dollars and i think he playing not to get hurt
Saints dropped 48 on sheridans dumb a.ss defense meanwhile spags f**king held NO to 21 points(7 came off kick return) u mean to tell me the rams have more talent on the defensive side of the ball then the giants?! s**t imagine what spags would do with this defense smh.fire these old a.ss coaches! gilbride with his same playbook from 96

 Dope Bai said:
I hear that. If they haven't learned by now, they ain't about to change now...

The play calling on both side of the ball is horrible. The Giants under Coughlin, used to be so prepared for games, now the team looks lost out there, on every down.

They still trying to get the push from the 4 man front, and it's not working. The running game is disgracefull. Jacobs is running like tinkerbell out there. Running to the outside all the effing time, instead of just pounding the ball though the middle...

I don't know what else to say, I am very dissappointed in the g men this year. They still have a slim chance, but if they it up at this rate, they don't deserve it...
dumb a.ss sheridan dont do any stunts along the line to free anybody up or put players in the right position.jacobs is running like a b**ch,bradshaw is all f**ked up and havnt been the same since i believe the oak game and i read that ware got a concussion last night.the giants are f**ked at running back

 Dope Bai said:
Also, I noticed last night, a few times that Eli would drop back to throw, he would have mad time, and a couple of open receivers underneath 5/6 yards or so, overlook them and try to squeeze a 10/15 yard pass into Manningham or Smith, who would covered and not open.

That is not the Giants football they have been playing the past two years...Take the 5/6 yards, and get the short yardage on 2nd and 3rd down...It doesn't make sense...
offense was just straight up confused den would show blitz and then drop 8 in coverage only rushing 3 yea eli had time but nobody was open and the damn coaching staff didnt make any adjustments!.they used boss so well against ATL then turn around and not use him at all! why is beckum riding bench? he was drafted to help the short passing! gillbride and coughlin dont know how to use him.neither do they know how to use sintim.sintim lead the nation in sacks last year for VA i dont recall seeing sintim blitz the lil time i seen him out there but..........OH we'll see clark and blackburn bum a.sses blitz before sintim.im done with this coaching staff!

 tmitch19 said:
What's up my n*gga....?
:angry12:
 7 years ago '07        #445
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 smokeweed101. said:
Slim chance? They looked like s**t when all you Giants fans attacked Eli, once they got to the playoffs the record didn't matter, looks like all that stomping out talk is dead, now you guys are back to criticizing and attacking the team with your head down in shame. You guys have as good a chance at winning as the Boys and Eagles Saints and Vikings, all have been choking for years.
Of course they still have a slim chance. They do have a tough schdule left, but if theey can get it together, they still have a shot. I ain't giving up on my squad.

I ain't holding my head in shame, just pointing along with other fellow giants fans the problems that are going on with our squad.

I still ride with the g men whether they beat "the greatest team in history" in the SB, or if they go out 0-16...
 11-27-2009, 02:56 PM         #446
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the whole team basically looks like s**t right now....But the performance of this d-line just baffles me :banghead: Last year all we had was Tuck, Kiwi, Cofield, and Robbins and they basically beasted most of the year ... This year we still have all those players, plus have Osi, Bernard, and Canty - How the hell did we manage to get worse??? :angry12::banghead::hang:
 7 years ago '07        #447
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 Robby Digital said:
the whole team basically looks like s**t right now....But the performance of this d-line just baffles me :banghead: Last year all we had was Tuck, Kiwi, Cofield, and Robbins and they basically beasted most of the year ... This year we still have all those players, plus have Osi, Bernard, and Canty - How the hell did we manage to get worse??? :angry12::banghead::hang:


Cause I drafted those b**ches :banghead:
 7 years ago '07        #448
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 Syphernix said:
ah to be mocked by redskins fans is the icing on the motherf**king cake

:banghead:
seriously that is sad to only score 6 points against the garabge a.ss broncos.

i mean come on, the skins put up damn near 30 on these fools and we got a bottom 3 offense lol.
 7 years ago '09        #449
Ricky Towel 127 heat pts127
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DENVER -- The Giants are running the wrong plays on the ground.

There, I said it. I’ve been hearing rumblings of that for a while now. All season, in fact. But I was reluctant to give them that out. It’s about blocking it up and running hard. That’s what gets you big yardage.

But after watching this team Thursday night and looking over the game again Friday morning, I’m convinced a major problem is they’re trying to go too wide and not straight ahead. Running backs coach Jerald Ingram said a lot of issues for Brandon Jacobs early in the season were the play calls to the outside that had him stopping and starting. Well, they’re still making those calls and they don’t have Derrick Ward around to run them. Plus, this offensive line would like to start knocking people off the ball more often instead of these finesse runs.

The worst one, to me, was after a 13-yard completion on their second offensive play of the second half. It was their longest play of the game at that point and it had come off an interception by Terrell Thomas that finally had them feeling good. So what did they do? They ran Jacobs wide on a stretch play with a lead blocker that went for a loss of 2 yards. Three plays later, Jacobs lost 3 yards on a run wide to the left side.

Starting with their next game against the Cowboys, the Giants need to start being more physical and straight ahead in the running game. They need to get after their opposing fronts. Now. And start being more effective in the running game. Now. To set up their passing game. Now.

And I’m not the only one who feels that way. Trust me.

GAME BALLS
Broncos WR Brandon Marshall. A couple of fingertip one-handed catches and suddenly it’s time to hug the rookie running back and slap hands with the coach. Brandon, you’re a terrific player -- when your head is screwed on right.

Denver RB Knowshon Moreno. We’ve had a chance to see Eagles RB LeSean McCoy and Cards RB Beanie Wells this year and both of those guys have been impressive. But Moreno’s in another world compared to those guys. Elusive but powerful and terrific vision. That spin move on DT Rocky Bernard and DE Mathias Kiwanuka was one of the best moves by a back I’ve seen in a while. (Though that doesn’t excuse the missed tackles.)

Broncos LB D.J. Williams. No weaknesses in his game. More thoughts on him sprinkled throughout down low.

S Brian Dawkins. He was an absolute game changer last night. He was terrific in run support and all over the field. Safe to say the Eagles appear to have cut the cord on him a little too soon. Having said that, see the bottom section for another thought on Dawkins.

Broncos fans. That stadium was rocking last night. The press box was shaking. Very impressive, especially since their team was on a four-game losing streak. I didn’t get the sense those fans were doubting their team.

Broncos defensive coordinator Mike Nolan. Some guys are better suited as coordinators, not head coaches. Thursday night, the Broncos’ defensive scheme and execution were both superb. Denver just looked to be on step ahead of the Giants. One of my favorite calls was when they brought heavy pressure on a third down late in the first quarter but dropped two LBs out into coverage (I said LBs, not DEs folks) to take away the quick throws they knew Manning would make with the pressure coming. Williams darted right for WR Mario Manningham to undercut the slant on the right side and that’s exactly what Manning was looking to complete. Great call, great play.

Denver K Matt Prater. Five touchbacks and kicks returned to the 16 and the 20. When an opposing offense is struggling and then has to deal with field position like that, a kicker really makes his coach happy.

GASSERS
Offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride. You asked for it, you got it. My biggest beef? What I wrote up top about the running game.

Coach Tom Coughlin. The “road warriors” are now on a three-game losing streak away from home. Oh, and after a loss like that, Tom, nobody wants to hear how good your team meetings were. Nobody.

Defensive coordinator Bill Sheridan. The defense gave up points on four of the Broncos’ first five drives. Dating back to the Falcons’ scoring on all four drives in the second half, that made eight of nine drives that ended in points for the opponent. Other issues remain the same: DEs dropping into coverage, no personality, swagger or confidence and guessing wrong.

QB Eli Manning. I knew it was a bad sign when, on the first play of the game, Manning rolled right and threw for WR Hakeem Nicks on the short out, completely overlooking WR Steve Smith wide open on the deeper out. A few minutes later Mike Mayock broke down the play on NFL.com and made the point that, when you roll out and you’re not under pressure, you have to read from “high to low” and Manning definitely did not do it on that play. I also realized it was a bad sign when Manning threw behind Smith and nearly got picked off and then panicked and threw off his back foot on third down when he wasn’t under pressure in the least bit.

S C.C. Brown. I can’t be entirely positive about this because I don’t have the coverage call, but based on what I saw, it looked like the Giants were playing man coverage on a trips formation to the left side on the Broncos’ last TD. That means Brown, who was inside, should have taken the first player to emerge inside. That didn’t happen, as he instead rode with TE Tony Scheffler to the outside, leaving WR Brandon Stokley wide open over the middle. (And to boot, he got called for holding Scheffler.) Earlier, Brown also made the one mistake you can’t make on an NFL field: he hesitated. It was on a fourth-and-5 in the second quarter when he had RB Correll Buckhalter should he release out of the backfield. When Buckhalter stayed in to block, that freed up Brown to blitz. He started to come but stopped and then started again. Too late. Broncos QB Kyle Orton had already thrown the ball to Scheffler for a gain of 21. If he had just darted into the backfield, he would have had pressure or maybe a sack that could have given the ball back to the Giants instead of allowing Denver to go up 6-0.

RB DJ Ware. That fumble was a k!ller because the Giants might have been getting something going there.

CB Corey Webster. Just like this whole team, I thought he had snapped out of it last week. But like this whole team, he regressed again. He’s got to bounce back because the Giants will need him to play well against Dallas.

LB Michael Boley. He couldn’t get off a block.

Anybody who missed a tackle. Kiwanuka, Bernard, Chase Blackburn, Barry Cofield, Thomas, et al. I pinned the blame on Sheridan, but frankly, those guys and more were in position to make stops in the backfield and didn’t do it.
 7 years ago '09        #450
Ricky Towel 127 heat pts127
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cont.

SECOND-GUESSES
Matt Millen on the NFL Network broadcast: “I think this is the best receiving corps the Giants have had for as long as I can remember.” Matt, buddy, I feel where you’re going with this, but do me a favor and don’t, okay? Not on a night when the opposing team has a guy making a pair of silly one-handed catches. I mean, this Giants receiving corps is very good, but how many times this year have we seen them make a play when there doesn’t appear to be one there? These guys do a good job of getting open, but this corps is just not creating enough plays. I’ve refrained from harping on this because I didn’t want to play the same note over and over, but it’s time to point out again how much they need a big, athletic body out there. Jerry Reese, you’ve talked about all the teams that have won without a Plaxico Burress-type presence and I agree it’s often not necessary. But take a look at your quarterback and how erratic he can be at times. He needs a guy that can help him when he’s not perfect, when he’s struggling and when he’s facing a veteran secondary like the Broncos’. He needs a guy who can go up and get a ball, providing Manning a bigger window. The Giants don’t have that in their receiving corps right now.

It’s bad enough DL Chris Canty has to get used to playing in a 4-3 after being a 3-4 DE with the Cowboys. But he also has to get used to dropping into coverage? That’s one guy that really shouldn’t be doing that.

Here’s a rule I’ve always thought to be weird: when Webster gets called for a personal foul on the flea flicker to Marshall for helmet-to-helmet contact, the Broncos are forced to decline the penalty for illegal contact on S Michael Johnson. But if Marshall catches the pass, the personal foul gets tacked on. Well, shouldn’t the personal foul then get tacked on to the illegal contact call? Especially since the official said the blow to the head occurred “after the play.” Always thought that one was weird.

The DEs are coming way too wide on their pass rushes. I know that’s DE Osi Umenyiora’s thing, but it’s not just him and it’s happening consistently.

ODDS AND (TIGHT) ENDS
Now, a lot of you folks here know I grew up in Philly and was an Eagles fan until I got into this business and had my fandom stripped away (while covering the Eagles, I might add) by the need to be objective and other things. So while people around the league were calling Dawkins a dirty player, I suppose I didn’t see it so much. You know how it is -- love him when he’s on your team, hate him when he’s playing for somebody else. But last night, I finally saw Dawkins the cheap-shot artist. On an incompletion to Smith in the third quarter, Dawkins comes behind and hits Smith in the back. That’s cool. Legal hit there. But then, as Smith is falling to the ground with Dawkins on top of him, Dawkins takes his fists and slams them into Smith’s back. Absolutely, positively uncalled for. Even if he wasn’t sure whether Smith had the ball or not, that’s a disgusting play.

Anybody see one of the officials smiling at Dawkins’ celebration after his fumble recovery? It’s visible on the replay after Moreno’s TD. Don’t know what to make of that, so I’ll let you guys have at it.

I mentioned how Brown hesitated on the blitz. Want to see what happens when you don’t hesitate? Watch Williams’ sack in the second quarter. He had the same RB-to-blitz responsibility and he played it beautifully. He made a read and went with it. And even though Ware snuck out into the flat, it didn’t matter because Williams was already on top of Manning. That’s the confidence and swagger that’s missing from the Giants’ defense right now.

Broncos TE Daniel Graham got flagged for holding twice. The way he blocks, with his hands on the outside, he could get flagged on every play.

What a tremendous catch by Manningham on the toe-tapper in the third quarter. Wow. Manningham was favoring his left shoulder on the way to the locker room. He’s had a shoulder issue all season long. We’ll see if there’s anything new to report when Coughlin addresses reporters on a conference call Friday afternoon.

In addition to the play calling, another issue with the Giants’ running game is the second-level blocking. Do yourself a favor (if you have the game DVRed or taped) and go back and watch Ware’s 13-yard run in the third quarter. Watch the block by RG Chris Snee on Williams and notice how that one block makes the entire play happen. That’s one of the big things the Giants need to get this running game going.

They really like Christmas here in Denver. Everything’s lit up and there’s Christmas music everywhere. It’s like they blew right past Thanksgiving.

Having ripped this team and its performance to shreds, allow me to say two things: 1. While Coughlin refused to use the short week and the scheduling as an excuse, there’s no doubt in my mind this team was affected. 2. I wrote what’s known as an “early” for the early editions of the paper that went to press before the game ended. That story was about how, no matter what happened in Denver, the games against the Cowboys and Eagles had to be won. So while Thursday’s game stung, don’t forget that if the Giants beat the Cowboys, they’re only a half-game out of first place with four to play. Take a deep breath. The games that matter most have not been played yet.

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And finally, I know Thursday night didn’t end well, but I hope all of Giants nation and everyone out there had a terrific Thanksgiving and will do their best to enjoy the rest of the weekend. Jenny Vrentas will take you home the rest of Friday, as I make my flight back home. I should have a story up here Saturday night, but I do plan on having a pseudo-Thanksgiving with the fam Friday night and all day Saturday, so I might not be able to get back to your comments and e-mails as much as I’d like. But please do keep the (intelligent) conversation going down below.
 7 years ago '05        #451
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Broncos!!!!!!!! :dancingcool: :applause:
 7 years ago '05        #452
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All the people blaming Jacobs..I honestly don't think it's all his fault. I mean he is running like a b**ch true, but if you look at most of those runs to the outside..they were designed that way. Eli would hand the ball to Jacobs going sideways..so obviously they expected him to run outside..I just don't understand why we continue to do that s**t. Just run the ball up the middle..Tom Coughlin just needs to take over playcalling duties and that's that.
 11-28-2009, 09:41 AM         #453
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@ the giants. Just havent been the same since this past jan when the eagles roared thru and shut the number one seed down.
 7 years ago '04        #454
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 Young Forever said:
@ the giants. Just havent been the same since this past jan when the eagles roared thru and shut the number one seed down.
noooo it was when the Saints thrashed them, they havent been able to recover from that
 11-29-2009, 01:26 AM         #455
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One of the worst Performances I have seen from the New York Giants in memory...

An absolute embarrassment.

It pains me to say this, but honestly, at this point I hope it continues so that it will seal Gilbride's fate...

I can't take the guy anymore. Just can't.
 7 years ago '08        #456
Andre3stacks 20 heat pts20
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Giants suck d*ck. How do u suck that bad against the Broncos??
 7 years ago '04        #457
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 Andre3stacks said:
Giants suck d*ck. How do u suck that bad against the Broncos??
the same way yall suck against lions, panthers, chiefs etc...
 7 years ago '07        #458
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lmao!@skins fan talking s**t.giants dominated ya'll bum a.sses 3 games straight! give the giants a decent game then come talk to a giants fan on here
 7 years ago '04        #459
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Season isn't over yet but they way they are playing we would be lucky to see 8-8. Needless to say after an 5-0 start that would suck. Haven't recovered from the Saints but those home losses against Arizona and San Diego are ones we definitely shouldn't have lost. With that said, if we beat Dallas and Philly in the next couple of weeks, the season will look different again. If we lose one the season is pretty much over unless Green Bay chokes away the final Wild Card.
 7 years ago '09        #460
Ricky Towel 127 heat pts127
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i wont give up until we are mathematically out of it
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