Reasonable Doubt vs Doggystyle vs Slim Shady LP vs Ready To Die

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who had the best debut outta the four?
Eminem - Slim Shady 31 18.90%
Jay-Z - Reasonable Doubt 27 16.46%
Snoop Dogg - Doggy Style 68 41.46%
Biggie Smalls - Ready To Die 38 23.17%
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 11-11-2009, 03:43 PM         #61
rd Meth  OP
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infinite > all 4 of those
 11-11-2009, 04:00 PM         #62
Kal Tourette  OP
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 rd Meth said:
infinite > all 4 of those
the song alone LOL, but nah i liked Doggystyle slightly more...it did more for hip hop
 11-11-2009, 04:02 PM         #63
Kal Tourette  OP
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 jj01 said:
i think u gettin classic confused with catchy.
no i didn't. a CLASSIC song....please u explaine different than what i said...SSLP gets just as much play or more than RD infact WAAAAY more universally till this day so what is CLASSIC then?
 9 years ago '06        #64
fallguy 
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 9 years ago '04        #65
SHOWTIME 
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 Kal Tourette said:
i know a lot of people who still know most of the rhymes from Slim Shady LP.

 11-11-2009, 04:53 PM         #66
hiphop4ever  OP
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 rd Meth said:
infinite > all 4 of those

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 11-11-2009, 05:16 PM         #67
snoopdoggiz  OP
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Doggystyle
RD
SSLP
RTD
 9 years ago '09        #68
thegoldenhero 3 heat pts
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 rd Meth said:
infinite > all 4 of those

Hell No! the infinite album imo is overrated by underground heads i am eminem fan but the highlight of the album is the title track.
 11-11-2009, 06:47 PM         #69
HotepSuns  OP
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 Kal Tourette said:
nobody in the history of rap had ever RHYMED like eminem does and that did open doors for many who rhyme a lot more syllables now. Eminem used words nobody was using and came very unique. He was VERY innovative. What did Jay bring that hadn't been ran into the ground? more mafia gangster rap? Didn't all them guys get birthed by NWA? That gangster s**t? What did biggie or Jay bring or say that hadn't been brought before? I had never heard a drugged out white boy from a trailer park who could RAP his a.ss off. I had never heard a song like guilty conscience. I've heard similar attempts, but not on that creative caliber.


rofl@nobody in the history of rap ever rhymed like eminem....you act like rap started with jay z,and biggie...f**k outta here.... as far as multi syllabic rhyming pharoahe monch was doing what eminem was doing WELL before eminem was doing it,so was bis,so was chino xl...as far as styling....redman was doing it WELL before eminem came along......even funnier is you admitting there were songs done before guilty conscious like guilty conscious...but you're gasing it,because you like it better?....thank you for making my point....the only thing em did different was tell his story...which of course is original..it's his life....


but please stop with the exaggerating,and flat out lies....i realize you love eminem,but em is talented enough to be able to stand on his own merits without you embellishing the truth..
 9 years ago '06        #70
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why does this dude act like masta ace isnt the father of eminem's style?
 9 years ago '04        #71
SHOWTIME 
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 jj01 said:
why does this dude act like masta ace isnt the father of eminem's style?
that idiot acts like kool g rap/ big pun and countless others didnt do some sick multi syllable rhymes b4 eminem..

hes starting to sound like a certain kid named stan
 11-12-2009, 01:31 AM         #72
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Rd>>>>RTD>>>>SSLP>>>Backshots



i love snoop and all but on the mic, duke was average imo...yah he dripped with charisma and his flow was impeccable over some dope a.ss production but....wait hold up never mind...
 11-12-2009, 10:34 AM         #73
Kal Tourette  OP
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 SHOWTIME said:
that idiot acts like kool g rap/ big pun and countless others didnt do some sick multi syllable rhymes b4 eminem..

hes starting to sound like a certain kid named stan
they did, but Eminem does it better and has a more retrospective style. He doesn't just talk gangster s**t all day. Yes he covers drugs, mom, kim, hailie, politics etc, but who else steps out of the box like that? Lupe is dope, but he just another Nas and not as good. I LOVE the cool, but he is a nas, rakim type rapper. Eminem is similar to???
 11-12-2009, 10:37 AM         #74
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 Kal Tourette said:
they did, but Eminem does it better and has a more retrospective style. He doesn't just talk gangster s**t all day. Yes he covers drugs, mom, kim, hailie, politics etc, but who else steps out of the box like that? Lupe is dope, but he just another Nas and not as good. I LOVE the cool, but he is a nas, rakim type rapper. Eminem is similar to???


yeah,because nas came out using the skateboard culture,and robots as metaphors on his debut album...


get real duke....
 11-12-2009, 12:30 PM         #75
Kal Tourette  OP
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 HotepSuns said:
yeah,because nas came out using the skateboard culture,and robots as metaphors on his debut album...


get real duke....
they r all conscious emcees heavy on the politics of the world and hip hop state. all relaying a message of conscious awareness and elevation...THINK before u quick to just blurt s**t out.
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 11-12-2009, 01:10 PM         #76
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 Kal Tourette said:
they r all conscious emcees heavy on the politics of the world and hip hop state. all relaying a message of conscious awareness and elevation...THINK before u quick to just blurt s**t out.
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all talking about different things all together....what nas spoke about on illmatic is completely different from what lupe was talking about on food,and liquor....you're trying to group them in one big box,because you don't consider them "gangsta rappers".....like there are only 2 types of rappers....and you got the nerve to tell me to think before i blurt s**t out?...you haven't made one well thought out comment in this entire thread....
 11-12-2009, 02:22 PM         #77
Kal Tourette  OP
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 HotepSuns said:
all talking about different things all together....what nas spoke about on illmatic is completely different from what lupe was talking about on food,and liquor....you're trying to group them in one big box,because you don't consider them "gangsta rappers".....like there are only 2 types of rappers....and you got the nerve to tell me to think before i blurt s**t out?...you haven't made one well thought out comment in this entire thread....
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 9 years ago '05        #78
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kal, your blatant bias towards eminem is laughable. LOL at you saying no one knows Reasonable Doubt lines, and you call yourself a hip hop head. Once again you make drastic generalizations of every artist, except for Eminem. Doggystyle, Ready To Die and Reasonable Doubt, basically undisputed classics, whether you like it or not, most heads will tell you that. The fact that SSLP is being debated as a classic should speak volumes, but as usual you ignore it. at you saying Mafioso rap and NWA in the same sentence you pleb. Jay-Z humanized the hustler, he wasnt promoting the lifestyle, he just told the stories of that life, the up and downs that come along with it. Ready To Die is just a lot more hardcore and in your face, but B.I.G's humour and sheer charisma makes you sometimes forget how harsh his lyrics were, that was B.I.G's style. Eminem just told his story, and since no one else in hip hop was a white, trailor trash addict his stories seem that much more different.
 11-12-2009, 07:57 PM         #79
Kal Tourette  OP
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 sheedawg said:
kal, your blatant bias towards eminem is laughable. LOL at you saying no one knows Reasonable Doubt lines, and you call yourself a hip hop head. Once again you make drastic generalizations of every artist, except for Eminem. Doggystyle, Ready To Die and Reasonable Doubt, basically undisputed classics, whether you like it or not, most heads will tell you that. The fact that SSLP is being debated as a classic should speak volumes, but as usual you ignore it. at you saying Mafioso rap and NWA in the same sentence you pleb. Jay-Z humanized the hustler, he wasnt promoting the lifestyle, he just told the stories of that life, the up and downs that come along with it. Ready To Die is just a lot more hardcore and in your face, but B.I.G's humour and sheer charisma makes you sometimes forget how harsh his lyrics were, that was B.I.G's style. Eminem just told his story, and since no one else in hip hop was a white, trailor trash addict his stories seem that much more different.
that's y I have a bias towards him. eminem could have copied **** music talking about their slave owner cars, money with their masters faces on, copying the same racist mafia leaders who came from families of traders and slave owners, and promoting the violence against eachother. em could have, but he chose a completely different approach and thts y he is the top hip hop seller of all time. he brought the lyricism of pun, but the stories of country music and rock. that was amazing to go through so much reverse racism and still say "f**k ya'll" with his debut. it meant a lot and opened ears to a new sound and style. a mix of practically his top list on "till I collapse". eminem has range. I just want fellaz to respect him as a great is all. too many haters for no reason. i'd defend the artistry of rakim, joe budden, lupe fiasco, etc if someone stupidly downs their amazing artistic talents. its just that eminem is in this list. eminem has some range out this world. but u had a well put together argument and I respect that. also as for RD lines I meant across the world many don't even know tht album exists. check international rankings and I grew up all over africa and in england.
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only one dude mentioned X?!?!? X had the best debut for any rap artist IN MY OPINION and my reason behind that is 3 PLATINUM ALBUMS IN 2 YRS!!! name another rapper to do that
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