(2009) Man its time to stop the BS. - Chris Johnson, best RB in the league

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 9 years ago '07        #121
MythMade 6 heat pts
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Tempus,

Your arguments about him being a better blocker, receiver, less fumbles, and flat out explosive are not granite facts, they are YOUR opinion. Just because you feel that way about Johnson does not make them true. People like to bring up the passing situation this year with the Vikings as sort of an out for Adrian Peterson, well he was the leading rusher last year where Tavaris Jackson was they're QB. Bernard Berrian was they're only threat in the passing game and even he is a solid #2 most places. Sidney Rice had not become a game-changing receiver, Percy Harvin was still doing his thing in Florida. So, last year when he was the leading rusher, he had no passing game to provide support for his running lanes. In my opinion, Chris Johnson is tied for the second best back in the league with Maurice Jones-Drew. Steven Jackson, DeAngelo Williams and Frank Gore are fumbled around for the final 2 spots.

So, I spat you my opinions, I dont claim them to be the truth or factual evidence, but merely what I think.

Charles CI,

Yes, I do watch every game every weekend. I go to Fox and Hound bar near my house and they have the NFL Package so I see EVERY game that happens.
 11-02-2009, 04:37 PM         #122
rd Meth  OP
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ap cj mjd gore everyone else
 9 years ago '08        #123
Illuminati 248 heat pts248
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Adrian Peterson
Steven Jackson
Frank Gore

Are all better backs than Chris Johnson.
 11-03-2009, 07:15 PM         #124
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 Illuminati said:
Adrian Peterson
Steven Jackson
Frank Gore

Are all better backs than Chris Johnson.
Debatable.
 11-12-2009, 02:24 PM         #125
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Adrian Peterson is widely considered the best running back in the league.

The Cold, Hard Football Facts say he's not.

They say that it's time for AP to step aside and make room atop the RB totem pole for Tennessee superman Chris Johnson.

The big news is not that Johnson leads the NFL in rushing yards (959) or that he's more than 100 yards ahead of the No. 2 guy (Cedric Benson, 837) or that he's 175 yards ahead of Peterson (784).

The big news is that Tennessee's second-year man averages a mind-boggling 6.66 yards every time he carries the ball this year. He's cranked out his 959 yards on just 144 attempts. Peterson, for his part, averages a solid 4.81 YPA (163 carries for 784 yards).

If Johnson's average per attempt seems unusually high, it should. Dan Towler was the last running back who ran the ball at least 100 times in a season and averaged more than Johnson's 6.66 YPA. Towler rushed 126 times for 854 yards (6.78 YPA) for the 1951 NFL champion L.A. Rams.

Even the great Jim Brown, the best running back in history, never quite matched 6.66 YPA. In Brown's most prolific year, 1963, he carried the ball 291 times for 1,863 yards (6.40 YPA).
Recent run of success

Johnson has been absolutely scorching over the past three games, the brightest spot for a team that began 0-6 before he led them to consecutive victories.

He rushed 25 times for 135 yards (5.4 YPA) and two touchdowns in Tennessee 's 34-27 win over San Francisco last week. He ran 24 times for 228 yards (9.5 YPA) and a pair of scores in Tennessee 's 30-13 win over Jacksonville the previous week.

Even in Tennessee's 59-0 loss to the Patriots, the biggest defeat any team has suffered in 33 years, Johnson was on a different planet than the rest of his mates: he rushed 17 times for 128 yards (7.5 YPA) on a snow-covered field in Foxboro.
The big play specialist

Throughout history, the average ballcarrier averages 4.0 YPA. The average team averages 4.0 YPA. Only the occasional big play separates the average guys from the prolific guys, such as Barry Sanders, Johnson and Peterson. And no back right now produces big, explosive plays like CJ.

Twelve of Johnson's 144 attempts (1 in 12) have gone for 20-plus yards; Peterson is second, with eight runs of 20-plus. Six of Johnson's 144 attempts (1 in 24) have gone for 40-plus yards; Frank Gore and Maurice Jones-Drew are second, with three runs each of 40-plus. Two of Johnson's 144 attempts have gone longer than 80 yards: a 91-yard TD scamper against the Texans and a 89-yard TD run against the Jaguars. They're the two longest runs of the year. Gore and Jones-Drew each boast 80-yard TD runs.
An explosive early career

The pigskin public, not to mention the Cold, Hard Football Facts, should have focused a little more attention on Johnson after his great rookie season of 2008. He quietly ran 251 times for 1,228 yards (4.89 YPA). But his output was more or less lost in the noise over Tennessee 's 13-3 season, the revival of Kerry Collins and the performance of the Titans defense.

But halfway through his second year, Johnson has a very early track record that rivals or exceeds that of any player at his position in decades. In fact, here's how Johnson stacks up against the explosive Peterson halfway through their respective second seasons (2007 and eight games in 2008 for AP; 2008 and eight games in 2009 for CJ).

Player Attempts Yards YPA TDs
Johnson 395 2,187 5.54 15
Peterson 414 2,164 5.23 18

Johnson has not carried the ball as often, but he has produced more yards and a greater average per attempt. He's also used more as a pass catcher. He's already caught 64 passes for 422 yards and two touchdowns in his career. Peterson, with an extra season under his belt, has caught 59 passes for one touchdown, though he has been more prolific, with 582 yards receiving.
Overcoming the hype

Both Peterson and Johnson were first-round picks -- Peterson No. 7 overall in 2007, Johnson No. 24 overall in 2008. So NFL talent evaluators believed seriously that both could play at a high level in the pros. But Peterson enjoyed the fortune of entering the NFL with far more acclaim: he was a Heisman candidate at football-factory Oklahoma. Johnson, for his part, toiled away with a fraction of the acclaim at unheralded East Carolina.

The pigskin pundits were ready to anoint AP the best back in the league as soon as he appeared to live up to the hype (which he has). But Johnson did not enjoy the same kind of hype. And it always takes pundits time to catch up with reality when they don't have the compass called hype to guide them.

But if Johnson had entered the league with the same kind of name recognition, there'd be no doubt today that he, not Peterson, is pro football's best, most dangerous and most exciting ballcarrier.
 11-12-2009, 02:31 PM         #126
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^^Dumb article. Peterson is Peterson. Hes better


Last edited by Tempus # 1; 11-12-2009 at 02:32 PM..
 9 years ago '06        #127
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 Tempus # 1 said:
^^Dumb article. Peterson is Peterson. Hes better
ok so what happens in these 2 scenarios?

titans offer johnson for peterson.U think vikings take it?

viking offer peterson for johnson.U think the titans take it?
 9 years ago '06        #128
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 philly337 said:
ok so what happens in these 2 scenarios?

titans offer johnson for peterson.U think vikings take it?

viking offer peterson for johnson.U think the titans take it?
both teams pass




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 11-12-2009, 02:41 PM         #129
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 philly337 said:
ok so what happens in these 2 scenarios?

titans offer johnson for peterson.U think vikings take it?

viking offer peterson for johnson.U think the titans take it?
No on both questions
 9 years ago '07        #130
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Chris Johnson is having probably the best year of all RBs so far, but he is not even 2nd best. That's like saying Matt Shaub is the best QB right now cause he's having a hell of a year.

1. Adrian Peterson
2. Stephen Jackson
3. Now you can start debating Chris Johnson with Deangelo Williams, Frank Gore and MJD for 3rd place.


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 9 years ago '04        #131
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 Bullseye said:
Chris Johnson is having probably the best year of all RBs so far, but he is not even 2nd best. That's like saying Matt Shaub is the best QB right now cause he's having a hell of a year.

1. Adrian Peterson
2. Stephen Jackson
3. Now you can start debating Chris Johnson with Deangelo Williams, Frank Gore and MJD for 3rd place.
Ronnie should ban you off the strength of this statement alone
 11-12-2009, 03:00 PM         #132
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Ray Rice gonna come in this discussion shortly if it hasn't already.
 9 years ago '07        #133
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 9 years ago '07        #134
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 Bullseye said:
Chris Johnson is having probably the best year of all RBs so far, but he is not even 2nd best. That's like saying Matt Shaub is the best QB right now cause he's having a hell of a year.

1. Adrian Peterson
2. Stephen Jackson
3. Now you can start debating Chris Johnson with Deangelo Williams, Frank Gore and MJD for 3rd place.


Clearly they are the best if they're having the best years thus far....if they weren't the best wouldn't other players be out shining them?
 9 years ago '09        #135
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 9 years ago '09        #136
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 9 years ago '06        #137
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u guys are nuts if u think the titans or any team for that matter would turn down peterson for their running back on a heads up trade
 9 years ago '06        #138
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 philly337 said:
u guys are nuts if u think the titans or any team for that matter would turn down peterson for their running back on a heads up trade
if it aint broke don't try to fix it....Cj is goin off this year




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 Kjizzle03 said:
if it aint broke don't try to fix it....Cj is goin off this year
i feel u but u don't see how u can realistically say they wouldn't accept that trade

and even though it's not johnson's fault..titans are broke right now

but like i said i see what ur sayin just have a hard time believing any team would turn down a one on one trade for peterson
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 philly337 said:
i feel u but u don't see how u can realistically say they wouldn't accept that trade

and even though it's not johnson's fault..titans are broke right now

but like i said i see what ur sayin just have a hard time believing any team would turn down a one on one trade for peterson
I think there are a grip of teams that all satified with their rbs...if they feel their guy can get the job done then they wouldn't want to mess up the chemistry that the team already has




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