UFC 104 Results and Live Play-by-Play: Lyoto Machida vs. Mauricio "Shogun"

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Co-Main Event Winners?
Lyoto Machida 19 76.00%
Mauricio "Shogun" Rua 9 36.00%
Cain Velasquez 9 36.00%
Ben Rothwell 7 28.00%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 25. Sorry, you cannot vote on this poll (Boxden members only)

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 9 years ago '04        #161
A.G 27 heat pts27
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I think NoLedge might be the only one in the entire internet who thinks Machida shoulda won..
 9 years ago '04        #162
NoLedge18720 8 heat pts
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 Gater said:
wtf..the effort made to finish the f!ght via KO or submission..Twice Machida tried to f!ght but to no success.
standing combinations and ground control--This was not that type of f!ght..it was technical and quick strikes..no one was ever taking heavy combos..

takedowns and takedown defense expalin this to me..If me and you f!ght..for 1 round I try to shoot for takedowns while you just stand there and defend..no punches thrown or none of that..you suppose to win? How does that look..Machida didnt attempt a takedown so that should be thrown out the window..the f!ght was already pre judged..dana said " you should have won" and its sad that he didnt do anything about it
yea because you arent doing anything at all but wasted your energy. Stopping a takedown is harder than getting a takedown on someone with good grappling. Its always been that way in regards to scoring a MMA f!ght and always will
 10-24-2009, 11:13 PM         #163
Lex Lossis  OP
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 NoLedge18720 said:
Fine let me explain each answer since everyone is too stupid to see why I picked it

Judging Criteria for MMA
1. the effort made to finish the f!ght via KO or submission-Machida tried to finish the f!ght 2 times while shogun did not try once and was content with throwing one strike at a time
2. damage given to the opponent-shogun did more damage because of the kicks
3. standing combinations and ground control-Machida actually threw more than one strike which is what combinations are. Shogun would throw one strike at a time
4. takedowns and takedown defense-Machida stuffed about 4 takedown attempts by Shogun...this one is easy to give to Machida
5. aggressiveness-Shogun/Machida. This one is a wash so I will give it to shogun

So looking at that Machida takes 3 out of the 5 categories that are the criteria for scoring an MMA f!ght

Instead of breaking it down into categories, think of it this way


at the end of the f!ght...which guy would u have rather been??
 9 years ago '05        #164
Rubix 
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 akademiks said:
Golf isn't a sport, that's why.
subjective. because according to boxing fans, neither is mma.

i have a hard time understanding why people sit thru certain programs only to log onto the net afterwards and whine and complain like a bunch of females. i dont like college football but its on tv and i chose not to watch it.
 9 years ago '04        #165
NoLedge18720 8 heat pts
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 akademiks said:
I think NoLedge might be the only one in the entire internet who thinks Machida shoulda won..
I never said he should have won I said that the f!ght could go either way and I dont disagree with the decision. If shogun won I wouldnt have complained about the decision as well. This f!ght was closer than everyone on here is saying is all I am trying to tell you idiots
 9 years ago '05        #166
hbk83 1 heat pts
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they try to separate themselves from boxing but are headed in the same direction boxing did... lackluster main events with champions trying to avoid the "f!ght" and bogus judges that reward them for defending
 9 years ago '04        #167
NoLedge18720 8 heat pts
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 Lex Lossis said:
Instead of breaking it down into categories, think of it this way


at the end of the f!ght...which guy would u have rather been??
the one with the belt
 9 years ago '04        #168
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 akademiks said:
I think NoLedge might be the only one in the entire internet who thinks Machida shoulda won..
Say word dude is ridin' hard
 9 years ago '08        #169
SlickJ101 25 heat pts25
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 NoLedge18720 said:
I never said he should have won I said that the f!ght could go either way and I dont disagree with the decision. If shogun won I wouldnt have complained about the decision as well. This f!ght was closer than everyone on here is saying is all I am trying to tell you idiots
lol Better get a fresh glass so you can share Machida's morning p!ss protein shake.
 9 years ago '98        #170
ronnie|A 10 heat pts10
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Honestly, what should happen is Machida should be stripped of the title and the belt held by no one. Thats not a champ type of performance... but since the only option is keep it the way it is, or give it to a weak challenge attempt, I'd go with the former.
 9 years ago '05        #171
highryda 1 heat pts
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ufc lost with this one

first rampage retires so no rashad vs rampage and then they give it to machida?

wwwwooooowwww thats a damn shame
 9 years ago '04        #172
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 Rubix said:
subjective. because according to boxing fans, neither is mma.

i have a hard time understanding why people sit thru certain programs only to log onto the net afterwards and whine and complain like a bunch of females. i dont like college football but its on tv and i chose not to watch it.
I was actually TRYING to enjoy MMA. That's the difference.

Stupid s**t like this makes UFC lose credibility and makes the entire process of judging a joke..
Who knows.. Maybe Dana White could have been involved with this.
 9 years ago '04        #173
NoLedge18720 8 heat pts
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 Gattsau said:
@ u callin anyone stupid when you dont even realize thats not the offical criteria for ufc judges ..
would you rather me go by this then...because its still the same result

-Clean Strikes-Even
-Effective Grappling-Machida
-Octagon Control-Even
-Effective Aggressiveness-Shogun


Last edited by NoLedge18720; 10-24-2009 at 11:21 PM..
 9 years ago '04        #174
NoLedge18720 8 heat pts
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you guys are failing to realize what I am saying. I could care less who won or lost im just saying the f!ght could have went either way
 9 years ago '04        #175
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^^:laughing9:





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 10-24-2009, 11:21 PM         #176
renagade281  OP
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there was NO grappling that whole f!ght tho
 9 years ago '04        #177
NoLedge18720 8 heat pts
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 renagade281 said:
there was NO grappling that whole f!ght tho
really because clinches and takedowns attempts arent grappling now
 9 years ago '04        #178
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 renagade281 said:
there was NO grappling that whole f!ght tho
your right now shogun did go for a takedown or two but for the most part he clinched to close the distance
 9 years ago '07        #179
Jersey732 6 heat pts
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shogun won...
 9 years ago '04        #180
NoLedge18720 8 heat pts
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 Gater said:
and 99% of us is asking wtf where you watching cuz its obvious who won
I was watching Shogun land 5 leg kicks a round by throwing single strikes with no combinations that did damage to Machida's legs and limited his movement. I was watching Machida land more strikes throughout the f!ght by throwing combinations, stuff all the takedown attempts and try to finish the f!ght twice.

Pretty sure thats what you saw as well
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