UFC 104 Results and Live Play-by-Play: Lyoto Machida vs. Mauricio "Shogun"

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Co-Main Event Winners?
Lyoto Machida 19 76.00%
Mauricio "Shogun" Rua 9 36.00%
Cain Velasquez 9 36.00%
Ben Rothwell 7 28.00%
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 10-24-2009, 11:58 PM         #141
D I P S 3 T  OP
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I wonder what happens next, this is gonna stir up a s**t load of controversy.
 8 years ago '08        #142
SlickJ101 22 heat pts22
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All you guys saying "Yea, the challenger has to take the belt", I agree.

But it's obviously not true after Forrest got that decision over Rampage.
 10-25-2009, 12:01 AM         #143
Lex Lossis  OP
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 Yung Dilla said:
so what's gonna happen now silva is up for a shot and they already said they will not f!ght each other
Anderson is defending his title against Vitor

 akademiks said:
Really?

Are you honestly that stupid that you're not able to comprehend what I'm saying.

THAT'S WHY UFC f**kING SUCKS.

HAPPY?

???? dude then dont watch the f**king PPV and get the f**k out the threads, jackass.


also boxing has had horrible decisions....

 restless4207 said:
im super pissed

i bet 100 on shoguin and i just got robbed outta 4-1 on my money
damn man thats fuuuuucked up


 Gattsau said:
silva is f!ghting at mw..


not sure what they will do with machida.

maybe give shogun a rematch right away or give him the winner of evan/silva..
I think Shogun deserves a rematch after a win...
 8 years ago '04        #144
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 ronnie said:
I think its up to the person who is challenging the title to take it from him. Clearly Hua had the most strikes and looked in control of the f!ght, but he just wasnt aggressive enough. Thats the only explanation I think on why the judges would give the edge to Machida.
That makes no sense. He fought a technically sound f!ght and completely neutralized Machida. This decision pretty much tells the champion that he can f!ght like garbage, and win off the strength of not getting KO'd.

I'm at a loss for words.. I've seen some bad decisions but damn this might be one of the worst I've ever seen.
 10-25-2009, 12:01 AM         #145
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When I saw Cecil Peoples name as a judge I got a bad feeling. He's a s**t judge in MMA/Boxing, and has given out insane robberies before.
 10-25-2009, 12:02 AM         #146
Lex Lossis  OP
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 ronnie said:
I think its up to the person who is challenging the title to take it from him. Clearly Hua had the most strikes and looked in control of the f!ght, but he just wasnt aggressive enough. Thats the only explanation I think on why the judges would give the edge to Machida.
if that's the case then Oscar shoulda got the nod against Floyd tho..Oscar was the aggressive one and won that f**king f!ght imo(yeah im still mad about it)



I agree with u, but Shogun got this 4-1 man
 8 years ago '05        #147
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all this s**t about the challenger has to "take" the belt is f**ken retarded. if a challenger comes in and outperforms the champ, no matter how few punches or kicks are throw or whatever, he wins. case closed. there should be no grey area that says 'he has to beat the absolute s**t out of the champ to get it."
 8 years ago '04        #148
NoLedge18720 5 heat pts
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 SlickJ101 said:
So Machida gets points for not being taken down? f**k that.

If you have to consider that as a positive, then it's already reaching for a reason to rationalize a s**t decision.


Rua landed elbows and punches. Did you see Machida's face?
being able to stuff a takedown is a positive because you are neutralizing your opponents strategy. You obviously dont know how MMA is judged if you dont think stopping takedowns is a positive. Rua landed that one elbow coming out of the break after being stuffed.

All im saying is you people are making this f!ght seem way more one sided than it was. It could ahve went either way and I can udnerstand the decision because Machida landed more strikes.

Judging Criteria for MMA
the effort made to finish the f!ght via KO or submission-Machida
damage given to the opponent-shogun
standing combinations and ground control-Machida
takedowns and takedown defense-Machida
aggressiveness-Machida but could go to shogun

Eithere way its 3-2
 8 years ago '08        #149
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 Lex Lossis said:
if that's the case then Oscar shoulda got the nod against Floyd tho..Oscar was the aggressive one and won that f**king f!ght imo(yeah im still mad about it)


I agree with u, but Shogun got this 4-1 man
 10-25-2009, 12:05 AM         #150
Lex Lossis  OP
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s**t, i guess whoever f!ghts Machida next should incorporate punching in their arsenal and just run at him nonstop lol f**kin crazy


and these judges by the way are BOXING judges... there are NO judges who have either MMA experience or ANY knowledge....Cecil Peoples is the only one who actually knows MMA, but he just sees completely different f!ghts than we do.
 8 years ago '04        #151
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 Lex Lossis said:
???? dude then dont watch the f**king PPV and get the f**k out the threads, jackass.


also boxing has had horrible decisions....

I get free PPV and thought I'd watch this cause nothing else was on..

You can go a long time without seeing a decision that bad..


And really? I'm the jackass? Wow. Well isn't that the pot calling.... Never f**king mind. You're probably too f**king retarded to even understand that one.
 10-25-2009, 12:06 AM         #152
renagade281  OP
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"to be the man u have to BEAT the man"
 8 years ago '08        #153
SlickJ101 22 heat pts22
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 NoLedge18720 said:
being able to stuff a takedown is a positive because you are neutralizing your opponents strategy. You obviously dont know how MMA is judged if you dont think stopping takedowns is a positive. Rua landed that one elbow coming out of the break after being stuffed.

All im saying is you people are making this f!ght seem way more one sided than it was. It could ahve went either way and I can udnerstand the decision because Machida landed more strikes.

Judging Criteria for MMA
the effort made to finish the f!ght via KO or submission-Machida
damage given to the opponent-shogun
standing combinations and ground control-Machida
takedowns and takedown defense-Machida
aggressiveness-Machida but could go to shogun

Eithere way its 3-2
lol You obviously don't understand scoring if you agree with the scoring in that f!ght.

You don't get points for NEUTRALIZING another move. You get points for being on the offensive.

There's no way in hell Machida landed more than Shogun. When did Machida try a submission? Better yet when was he ever more aggressive or making effort to end the f!ght? What the f**k were you watching?

Machida basically stood there and waited for the bell for the last 3 mins. Real aggressive.
 10-25-2009, 12:08 AM         #154
Lex Lossis  OP
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 akademiks said:
I get free PPV and thought I'd watch this cause nothing else was on..

You can go a long time without seeing a decision that bad..


And really? I'm the jackass? Wow. Well isn't that the pot calling.... Never f**king mind. You're probably too f**king retarded to even understand that one.
and? Golf is f**king free on TV all the time. I hate golf....would I watch it? NO...NEVER...I'll turn on the PS3 or go chill with some n*ggas or b**ches...no golf for me.


and lmao yeah this was a horrible decision, but you dont get it every f!ght dude...and son everything u think is wrong with MMA is wrong with boxing



and no lets not turn this into that kind of debate... dont even respond to me.
 8 years ago '04        #155
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 Lex Lossis said:
and? Golf is f**king free on TV all the time. I hate golf....would I watch it? NO...NEVER...I'll turn on the PS3 or go chill with some n*ggas or b**ches...no golf for me.


and lmao yeah this was a horrible decision, but you dont get it every f!ght dude...and son everything u think is wrong with MMA is wrong with boxing



and no lets not turn this into that kind of debate... dont even respond to me.
Golf isn't a sport, that's why.
 10-25-2009, 12:11 AM         #156
Lex Lossis  OP
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 akademiks said:
Golf isn't a sport, that's why.
??????




anyways @ sherdog going nuts.... wow.... revolution.


Shogun 4-1
 8 years ago '98        #157
ronnie|A 10 heat pts10
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Well, what I can say is that f!ght clearly needed like 8-10+ rounds.
 8 years ago '04        #158
NoLedge18720 5 heat pts
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Fine let me explain each answer since everyone is too stupid to see why I picked it

Judging Criteria for MMA
1. the effort made to finish the f!ght via KO or submission-Machida tried to finish the f!ght 2 times while shogun did not try once and was content with throwing one strike at a time
2. damage given to the opponent-shogun did more damage because of the kicks
3. standing combinations and ground control-Machida actually threw more than one strike which is what combinations are. Shogun would throw one strike at a time
4. takedowns and takedown defense-Machida stuffed about 4 takedown attempts by Shogun...this one is easy to give to Machida
5. aggressiveness-Shogun/Machida. This one is a wash so I will give it to shogun

So looking at that Machida takes 3 out of the 5 categories that are the criteria for scoring an MMA f!ght
 10-25-2009, 12:12 AM         #159
Lex Lossis  OP
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lets get over this horrendous robbery and talk about my n*gga Anthony Johnson doin his thing AGAIN... been following dude since he was a baby in this sport which was a few yrs ago....n*gga continues to beast... I want him at 85 though....70 is too much of a cut... he missed weight


Last edited by Lex Lossis; 10-25-2009 at 12:14 AM..
 8 years ago '04        #160
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BULLs**t DECISION

SHOGUN won that

"Just a bunch of leg kicks" iiight muah f**kas

And cecil Peoples can eat a d*ck too
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