Oct 10 - Obama: Iíll let gays serve freely in military

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Oct 10 - Obama: Iíll let gays serve freely in military
 

 
He's been criticized by some advocates for not move faster on their issues

WASHINGTON - President Barack Obama pledged to end the ban on homos3xuals serving openly in the military in a speech Saturday, but acknowledged to a cheering crowd that the policy changes he promised on the campaign trail are not coming as quickly as they expected.

"I will end 'don't ask-don't tell,'" Obama said to a standing ovation from the crowd of about 3,000 at the annual dinner of the Human Rights Campaign, a gay civil rights advocacy group. Obama reaffirmed his commitment to end the ban, but did not give a timetable or the specifics that some activists have called for.

The law was passed by Congress in 1993 and signed by President Bill Clinton, who also promised to repeal the ban on homos3xuals in the military but was blunted by opposition in the military and Congress. Obama said he's working with Pentagon and congressional leaders on ending the policy.

"We should not be punishing patriotic Americans who have stepped forward to serve the country," Obama said. "We should be celebrating their willingness to step forward and show such courage ... especially when we are f!ghting two wars.

Obama said it was no secret "our progress may be taking longer than we like." He followed this by asking supporters to trust his administration's course.

"I appreciate that many of you don't believe progress has come fast enough," Obama said. "Do not doubt the direction we are heading and the destination we will reach."

Advocating for a timeline
Some advocates said they already have heard Obama's promises ó they just want to hear a timeline. Cleve Jones, a pioneer activist and creator of the AIDS Memorial Quilt, said Obama delivered a brilliant speech, but added "it lacked the answer to our most pressing question, which is when."

"He repeated his promises that he's made to us before, but he did not indicate when he would accomplish these goals and we've been waiting for a while now."

Obama also called on Congress to repeal the Defense Of Marriage Act, which limits how state, local and federal bodies can recognize partnerships and determine benefits. He also called for a law to extend benefits to domestic partners.

He expressed strong support for the Human Rights Campaign agenda ó ending discrimination against gays, lesbians, bis3xuals and transgender people ó but stopped short of laying out a detailed plan for how to get there.

"My expectation is that when you look back on these years you will look back and see a time when we put a stop against discrimination ... whether in the office or the battlefield," Obama said.

Focusing on war, economy
Obama's political energies are focused on managing two wars, the economic crisis and his attempt to reform the health care system.

His message Saturday was one of unity and support for a group that has funneled large amounts of money into Democratic coffers.

"I'm here with a simple message: I'm here with you in that f!ght," Obama said.

Obama also addressed those who not favor advancing gay rights. A recent Pew Research Center poll asked about homos3xual behavior, and about half said it is morally wrong. "There's still laws to change and there's still hearts to open," Obama said.



Richard Socarides, who advised Clinton's administration on gay and lesbian policy, said Obama delivered "a strong speech in tone, although only vaguely reassuring in content."

"The president and Nobel winner came and paid his respects, but tomorrow many will ask: What's his plan, what's his timetable?"

In the past, Obama has urged the gay-rights community to trust him. In June, he pointed to some initial efforts, such as a presidential memorandum he issued that expands some federal benefits to same-s3x partners.

Obama publicly has previously committed himself to repealing the "don't ask, don't tell" policy that allows gays and lesbians to serve in the military as long as they don't disclose their s3xual orientation or act on it. But Obama hasn't taken any concrete steps urging Congress to rescind the policy, and his national security adviser last weekend would only say that Obama will focus on overturning it "at the right time."

Obama also pledged during the campaign to work for repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act. But lawyers in his administration defended the law in a court brief. White House aides said they were only doing their jobs to back a law that was already on the books.

The gay community is somewhat split as to whether Obama should be expected to produce results right away.

The Human Rights Campaign, which invited Obama to speak at its dinner Saturday night, holds out hope of seeing more action.

"We have never had a stronger ally in the White House. Never," Joe Solmonese, the group's president, said at the dinner before Obama spoke. In an interview, he said the Obama administration has been working with the group on a range of issues "on an almost weekly and sometimes daily basis."

Obama noted that new hate-crimes legislation, which would make it a federal crime to a.ssault people because of their s3xual orientation. Approved by the House this week, Obama predicted it would pass the Senate and promised to sign it into law.


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 8 years ago '07        #2
IFuckedUrMom 25 heat pts25
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what's the big deal anyway? if they have the balls to step up and serve our country then so be it, don't bash 'em over their s3xual preference.
 8 years ago '04        #3
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This shoulda been a no brainer for any president ever.
 8 years ago '07        #4
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He will be hated on for this, somehow, someway...
 10-11-2009, 12:24 AM         #5
Jerseyelite89 
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when he is hated for tellin kids 2 goto school everyday and pay attention, he might get shot over this...im waiting for the end of the world man, civil war is comin close
 10-11-2009, 12:29 AM         #6
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They can't f!ght, stop acting like they can.
 8 years ago '04        #7
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 If**kedUrMom said:
what's the big deal anyway? if they have the balls to step up and serve our country then so be it, don't bash 'em over their s3xual preference.
:applause: I know right, retarded a.ss rule to begin with!
 10-11-2009, 12:33 AM         #8
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I applaud Obama for the effort of ending s3xual preference discrimination in the military...BUT If you have ever served in the military you know that this is a difficult issue...there are a lot of gay bashers in the military. In basic training there were 2 guys that got caught in the showers sucking eachother off, that s**t was not cool. A year before that a guy was beaten to death cause he was flirting with another guy. The military may be hurting for numbers and are starting to allow anyone in nowadays and in the long run it will back fire. I have no issues with gays, as long as they are not a distraction to the training and missions. The "dont ask, dont tell" policy may have been the better answer, but I fear for the flamboyantly gay guys who serve under Obama's "Serve Openly" policy because it can cause a lot of issues with immature soldiers and they will be discriminated against low-key.
 10-11-2009, 12:49 AM         #9
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the problem is, that even if it's the right thing to do, you can't eliminate all the homophobia in the military

so it's not the best move -- good for politics, but perhaps not so good for the actual military
 10-11-2009, 12:51 AM         #10
Jerseyelite89 
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 RamazedAGAIN said:
thats not the reasons hes hated for, but ok keep believing that you blind idiot.
it begins, the dumbass cant make an honest smart statement so he insults...so instead of telling me why he believes im wrong he just calls me a blind idiot...which doesnt even make sense...but hey do u...ur the reason somedays im pro choice
 10-11-2009, 01:03 AM         #11
StatisticZ 
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I have nothing against gay people.. But, Obama removing the ban on them being open isn't gonna change how the "old - higher ranking - heads" feel about it, lol.
 8 years ago '04        #12
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There needs to be a first step somewhere for changing the attitudes of people in the military about gays, and of course it's gonna be hard, but things can't just remain the same. Over time, it will become more accepted, just like homos3xuality in general society. It just doesn't make sense to turn away people who could contribute, just because they are openly gay.
 8 years ago '05        #13
bobbysteels18 663 heat pts663
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don't ask don't tell works fine why change it. Some people met not want f*gs being by there side.
 10-11-2009, 02:04 AM         #14
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if u ban gays from the military u might as well ban people of certain races...i don't give a f**k what u say, they are born with that s**t, my little brother is gay and he went thru a bout of depression over that s**t, ain't know way the CHOOSE s**t
 8 years ago '04        #15
Propel Water 20 heat pts20
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i culd see the murder/suicide rate going up in the military now....

i mean i got nothing against them tho jus sayen
 10-11-2009, 03:29 AM         #16
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 Propel Water said:
i culd see the murder/suicide rate going up in the military now....

i mean i got nothing against them tho jus sayen
pretty much, the military is full of a**holes, and some of them are my good friends. but the newer and younger generation are more open to this anyway and more and more of them are gay. but i don't think much more gays in the military will admit it.
 8 years ago '04        #18
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 Propel Water said:
i culd see the murder/suicide rate going up in the military now....

i mean i got nothing against them tho jus sayen
I support Obama, but this is not a good idea. Hopefully it gets rejected if he tries to get this passed. In a perfect world this would be fine, but there's too much hate against gays. With military training facilities known to have open showers and "bay" styled sleep quarters, this can end up being nothing but trouble for the military. We have enough problems to deal with on a day to day basis, we don't need another. Removing the "don't ask" policy alone is enough to start trouble, because some people don't want it to be known and couldn't hide it even if they wanted too.
 10-11-2009, 10:13 AM         #19
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i dont see how this would benefit gays or heteros3xuals for that matter.

besides i thought all gays serve freely in the navy


Last edited by CenterField; 10-11-2009 at 10:21 AM..
 8 years ago '06        #20
lilRick954 
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 BlockBurner226 said:
if u ban gays from the military u might as well ban people of certain races...i don't give a f**k what u say, they are born with that s**t, my little brother is gay and he went thru a bout of depression over that s**t, ain't know way the CHOOSE s**t
A.K.A you

Your brother.......right
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