Oct 9 - Barack Obama wins 2009 Nobel Peace Prize

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 8 years ago '09        #121
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 Illstreet said:
No...

I'm saying that you know considerably less about the issue than the people who give out this award.

And if that's the case, then maybe you should think about that? Maybe that says something?


but i can still look at what past winners did to get the prize and form a pretty good analysis on what in usually takes to receive the award. and then compare that to obama's short list(he just started his presidency, so thats not a dig on obama) and form the opinion that he hasnt done enough to deserve winning the prize.


theres nothing wrong with doing that.
 10-09-2009, 02:05 PM         #122
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 currybai said:
democracy = communism = socialism = marxism under the guise of feorign nation building .

ask your cousin bout that, you wouldnt know anything.
@ This guy...

There are so many ways that I could reply to this, but I'm just going to move on, because you are clearly looking to derail this discussion into some other place...

Say hi to your Uncle for me.
 10-09-2009, 02:10 PM         #123
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 Illstreet said:
@ This guy...

There are so many ways that I could reply to this, but I'm just going to move on, because you are clearly looking to derail this discussion into some other place...

Say hi to your Uncle for me.
sure thing obama is number 1!
 8 years ago '04        #124
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 ra1n said:
lmao, is this a joke?

o yeah its already been a joke since Arafat and Al Gore won it...
......and Henry Kissinger.
 10-09-2009, 02:12 PM         #125
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 PabloDiablo said:
but i can still look at what past winners did to get the prize and form a pretty good analysis on what in usually takes to receive the award. and then compare that to obama's short list(he just started his presidency, so thats not a dig on obama) and form the opinion that he hasnt done enough to deserve winning the prize.


theres nothing wrong with doing that.
There is something wrong with it, when the statment that "he hasn't done enough" is nothing more than your opinion.

I tried to draw the Martin Luther King parallel, and actually look at how much non peace was in this country when he won the award... How bad things really were.

But you declared that you didn't understand why we were talking about King.

Obama won the award because of the numerous reasons that I have already stated in this thread, and I will not retype.

If you take issue with any of the things that I have said he has accomplished so far when it comes to the Global Community, in such a short time, I suggest you address those things and actually form a stance for your opinion to stand on...

Rather than just saying "I don't think he's done enough".

People have won the award for less, for equal, and for more... The only reason you are in here discussing this today, is because it is Obama. Me as well. If it was some other guy, we wouldn't even be talking about this.

And that brings up the reality of this entire disucssion right now. It's a Political Issue. And that's truly sad...
 10-09-2009, 02:13 PM         #126
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When are the votes for this even due by?
 8 years ago '06        #127
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 JeeQ said:
Just checking out Faux News is jokes. We have to be the only country who gets angry and upset when someone wins a PEACE prize. Calling it an affirmative-action award, they can't give Obama credit for s**t.

To those wondering "why did he get it?", in his short time in office Obama has already met with more world leaders then Bush did in eight years. Not only that, he met with the leaders of hostile countries that American presidents have never met with on a personal level. Who else has done that? Bush was afraid to even set foot in a Middle Eastern country much less meet with it's leaders. Then he would also skip the world meetings as well. While on the other hand Obama is willing to meet and talk with even the leaders of the Taliban in order to bring about peace and understanding. Have you noticed we haven't been flooded with terror alerts since Obama came in office? How about those red/orange/yellow terror levels? What about video threats? If you didn't notice the way the world has viewed the US in the last few years has been in an extremely negative light. Thanks to Obama we're finally starting to regain some favor with the world which is something we're going to desperately need as the economy is in shambles and we'll need to rely on our allies to repair ourselves.

^ This...
:applause:
The Norwegian Nobel Committee said it honored Obama for his "extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples."
The Nobel committee recognized Obama's efforts to solve complex global problems including working toward a world free of nuclear weapons.
"Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future," the committee said.
"His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world's population," it said.
Jagland said he hoped the prize would help Obama resolve the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Former Finnish President Martti Ahtisaari, last year's laureate, said it was clear the Nobel committee wanted to encourage Obama on the issues he has been discussing on the world stage.
"I see this as an important encouragement," Ahtisaari said.The committee wanted to be "far more daring" than in recent times and make an impact on global politics, said Kristian Berg Harpviken, director of the International Peace Research Institute.
 10-09-2009, 02:19 PM         #128
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That dude stays winning.
 10-09-2009, 02:25 PM         #129
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@ the haters. Jealousy is funny.

This was a strategic move, they liked the way Obama was approaching the world and they gave him the world as sort of a positive reinforcement of his approach.
 8 years ago '09        #130
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 Illstreet said:
There is something wrong with it, when the statment that "he hasn't done enough" is nothing more than your opinion.

I tried to draw the Martin Luther King parallel, and actually look at how much non peace was in this country when he won the award... How bad things really were.

But you declared that you didn't understand why we were talking about King.

Obama won the award because of the numerous reasons that I have already stated in this thread, and I will not retype.

If you take issue with any of the things that I have said he has accomplished so far when it comes to the Global Community, in such a short time, I suggest you address those things and actually form a stance for your opinion to stand on...

Rather than just saying "I don't think he's done enough".

People have won the award for less, for equal, and for more... The only reason you are in here discussing this today, is because it is Obama. Me as well. If it was some other guy, we wouldn't even be talking about this.

And that brings up the reality of this entire disucssion right now. It's a Political Issue. And that's truly sad...



i thought ive made it clear that its my opinion that he hasnt done enough yet to be given the nobel peace prize.



of course its my opinion.

 8 years ago '09        #131
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 PetedaSmete said:
@ the haters. Jealousy is funny.

This was a strategic move, they liked the way Obama was approaching the world and they gave him the world as sort of a positive reinforcement of his approach.


guy,


questioning whether i think hes done enough doesnt mean im a hater, or that im jealous.
 8 years ago '09        #132
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hahahahh i was just prompted to put on rush limbaugh, hahahah it sounded like his head was gonna explode. now that man is a hater by all definitions of the word.
 8 years ago '09        #133
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a good read:


Friday Oct. 9, 2009 07:10 EDT
Obama's Nobel Peace Prize

(updated below - Update II)

When I saw this morning's top New York Times headline -- "Barack Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize" -- I had the same immediate reaction which I'm certain many others had: this was some kind of bizarre Onion gag that got accidentally transposed onto the wrong website, that it was just some sort of strange joke someone was playing. Upon further reflection, that isn't all that far from the reaction I still have. And I say that despite my belief that -- as critical as I've been of the Obama presidency regarding civil liberties and Terrorism -- foreign affairs is actually one area where he's shown genuine potential for some constructive "change" and has, on occasion, merited real praise for taking steps in the general "peace" direction which this Prize is meant to honor.

Obama has changed the tone America uses to speak to the world generally and the Muslim world specifically. His speech in Cairo, his first-week interview on al-Arabiya, and the extraordinarily conciliatory holiday video he sent to Iran are all substantial illustrations of that. His willingness to sit down and negotiate with Iran -- rather than threaten and berate them -- has already produced tangible results. He has at least preliminarily broken from Bush's full-scale subservience to Israel and has applied steadfast pressure on the Israelis to cease settlement activities, even though it's subjected him to the sorts of domestic political risks and vicious smears that have made prior Presidents afraid to do so. His decision to use his first full day in office to issue Executive Orders to close Guantanamo, ostensibly ban torture, and bar CIA black sites was an important symbol offered to the world (even though it's been followed by actions that make those commitments little more than empty symbols). He refused to reflexively support the right-wing, civil-liberty-crushing coup leaders in Honduras merely because they were "pro-American" and "anti-Chavez," thus siding with the vast bulk of Latin America's governments -- a move George Bush, or John McCain, never would have made. And as a result of all of that, the U.S. -- in a worldwide survey released just this week -- rose from seventh to first on the list of "most admired countries."

All that said, these changes are completely preliminary, which is to be expected given that he's only been in office nine months. For that reason, while Obama's popularity has surged in Western Europe, the changes in the Muslim world in terms of how the U.S. is perceived have been small to nonexistent. As Der Spiegel put it in the wake of a worldwide survey in July: "while Europe's ardor for Obama appears fervent, he has actually made little progress in the regions where the US faces its biggest foreign policy problems." People who live in regions that have long been devastated by American weaponry don't have the luxury of being dazzled by pretty words and speeches. They apparently -- and rationally -- won't believe that America will actually change from a war-making nation into a peace-making one until there are tangible signs that this is happening. It's because that has so plainly not yet occurred that the Nobel Committee has made a mockery out of their own award.

But far more important than the lack of actual accomplishments are some of the policies over which Obama has presided that are the very opposite of peace. Already this year, he not only escalated the American war in Afghanistan, but has ordered air raids that have produced things like this:

That was from a May airstrike in which over 100 Afghan civilians were k!lled by American jets -- one of many similar incidents this year, including one only a week ago that k!lled 9 Afghan civilians. How can someone responsible for that, and who has only escalated that war, possibly be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in the very same year that he did that? Does that picture above look like the work of a Nobel Peace laureate? Does this, from the May airstrike?

Beyond Afghanistan, Obama continues to preside over another war -- in Iraq: remember that? -- where no meaningful withdrawal has occurred. He uttered not a peep of opposition to the Israeli massacre of Gazan civilians at the beginning of this year (using American weapons), one which a U.N. investigator just found constituted war crimes and possibly crimes against humanity. The changed tone to Iran notwithstanding, his administration frequently emphasizes that it is preserving the option to bomb that country, too -- which could be a third war against a Muslim country fought simultaneously under his watch. He's worked tirelessly to protect his country not only from accountability -- but also transparency -- for the last eight years of war crimes, almost certainly violating America's treaty obligations in the process. And he is currently presiding over an expansion of the legal black hole at Bagram while aggressively demanding the right to abduct people from around the world, ship them there, and then imprison them indefinitely with no rights of any kind.

It's certainly true that Obama inherited, not started, these conflicts. And it's possible that he could bring about their end, along with an overall change in how America interacts with the world in terms of actions, not just words. If he does that, he would deserve immense credit -- perhaps even a Nobel Peace Prize. But he hasn't done any of that. And it's at least as possible that he'll do the opposite: that he'll continue to escalate the 8-year occupation of Afghanistan, preside over more conflict in Iraq, end up in a dangerous confrontation with Iran, and continue to preserve many of the core Bush/Cheney Terrorism policies that created such a stain on America's image and character around the world.

Through no fault of his own, Obama presides over a massive war-making state that spends on its military close to what the rest of the world spends combined. The U.S. accounts for almost 70% of worldwide arms sales. We're currently occupying and waging wars in two separate Muslim countries and making clear we reserve the "right" to attack a third. Someone who made meaningful changes to those realities would truly be a man of peace. It's unreasonable to expect that Obama would magically transform all of this in nine months, and he certainly hasn't. Instead, he presides over it and is continuing much of it. One can reasonably debate how much blame he merits for all of that, but there are simply no meaningful "peace" accomplishment in his record -- at least not yet -- and there's plenty of the opposite. That's what makes this Prize so painfully and self-evidently ludicrous.



UPDATE: Remember how, during the Bush years, the GOP would disgustingly try to equate liberals with Terrorists by pointing out that they happened to have the same view on a particular matter (The Left opposes the war in Iraq, just like Al Qaeda and Hezbollah do! or bin Laden's criticisms of Bush sound just like Michael Moore's! ). It looks like the Democratic Party has learned and adopted that tactic perfectly ("'The Republican Party has thrown in its lot with the terrorists - the Taliban and Hamas this morning - in criticizing the President for receiving the Nobel Peace prize,' DNC communications director Brad Woodhouse told POLITICO"; Republicans are "put[ting] politics above patriotism," he added).

Apparently, according to the DNC, if you criticize this Prize, then you're an unpatriotic America-hater -- just like the Terrorists, because they're also criticizing the award. Karl Rove should be proud. Maybe the DNC should also send out Joe Lieberman's 2005 warning that "in matters of war we undermine Presidential credibility at our nation’s peril." Hamas also thinks that Israeli settlements should be frozen -- a position Obama shares. So, by the DNC's Rovian reasoning, doesn't this mean that Obama "has thrown in his lot with the terrorists"?



UPDATE II: Numerous commenters are angrily chiding me for failing to cheer for Obama's award and, worse, for failing to refrain from criticizing him on this most special day. Those who are saying that sound exactly -- and I mean exactly -- like Chris Matthews, on April 9, 2003, when he scolded Democrats for criticizing George Bush and the Iraq War on the glorious day when the Saddam statute was pulled down:

Why don't the damn Democrats give the president his day? He won today. He did well today.

Apparently -- just like Chris Matthews taught Democrats back then and some Obama supporters are insisting today -- Presidents are entitled to certain Special Days where citizens are obligated to cheer for the leader and refrain from expressing criticisms. Similarly, it's excessively negative and disrespectful to point out the glaring inconsistency between (a) escalating a war, k!lling civilians with air raids and imprisoning people with no charges and (b) receiving the Nobel Peace Prize. And anyone who disagrees that Obama deserves the Prize is a Far Leftist purist on the same side as the Terrorists and other America-haters and enemies. Today is one of those days when 2003 doesn't seem to be too far in the past.
 8 years ago '04        #134
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 PetedaSmete said:
@ the haters. Jealousy is funny.
Seriously.. these type of posts are a joke.
 8 years ago '04        #135
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 Illstreet said:
So now it's all the Media right?...

I guess the Nobel Committee watches Keith Olberman every night...

Naw, don't trust them in knowing who's making moves in the world... I'm gonna trust you.

I know folks from around the world. They tell me about how the mood towards America has changed dramatically in the past year.

My Cousin and his wife are Foriegn Diplomats... And we talk weekly. They alone express how much their Job has changed since being under Bush, to now... And how much more willing people are to talk and work together.

These are the truths. You can ignore the progress all you want, but it isn't going to change reality. The world is changing, and there is nothing you can do about it. That must suck.
Wait, hold the phone! You know a couple people overseas! Oh my god! That means their opinion is the deal breaker!

The world is not stupid but they're people too....so they're still experiencing a high from listening to Obama's rhetoric just like the American people are.

Soon, they'll realize his ACTIONS and his speaking points don't intercept, hopefully you will too.

Besides motivational speeches and running for president, what did he do to EARN this award?
 8 years ago '05        #136
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 Maroon_Tiger said:
DUDE... do you remember the effect he had on the world DURING HIS CAMPAIGN!??!

do you see the impact that he has made on the world thus far?!?!?!


WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BARACK OBAMA DUDE.... thats one hellova person... you might not realize it yet.. but barack is MAJOR

I DONT CARE HOW STRONG THE FIELD is.... anybody who takes out HILLARY CLINTON as a new kid on the block has to be EXTREMELY GIFTED... i'd put barack high in any list, any year... hes gonna have a hellova presidency at the end of his 2 terms
everything u've listed here while true DOES not warrant winning the nobel peace price...what has he done to earn it...no one has named a valid reason
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 Illstreet said:
That's great, that you've read books, but more what I was getting at, was what do you know about creating peace in a hostile world?

And if you have never had this task, how can you truly say that you do or do not know what Obama has accomplished in getting these people together?

As to the sports anology, there are many people(as you can see with sportscasters especially), who believe that if you haven't played the game, that your opinion is lesser and shouldn't be taken as seriously.
Your logic is so terrible it really is sad.

With your retarded logic, Americans should never vote again. I mean after all, none of us have ever written legislation or stood on the House floor and gave a speech. Who are we to analyze politicians and their actions? They know more about the inner workings of government then we do, shouldn't we just take them at their word and let them be?

Oh and we probably shouldn't have opinions regarding war either right? Most of us aren't soldiers....most of us haven't crafted a war strategy.....led troops into battle or signed a bill. We've never had to deal with that task, so who are we to criticize right? Let's just forgive and forgot Bush for Iraq and Congress for not standing up to him.....they HAD to have known more than us peons right?
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 Maroon_Tiger said:
you spelled moron incorrectly...

anyway,

MAROON comes from the MOREHOUSE MAROON TIGERS...

anyway, the haters can stay mad.... FIRST THEY'RE SCARED OF HIS INFLUENCE ON THE WORLD, before it was hating on the man for winning elections, and now its hating on him b/c he wants united health care and wins awards....

the haters arent getting alot of slack from barack... hes keepin yall VERY HYPER


why do you insist on saying that people who think maybe he didnt do enough to win the nobel peace prize(not exactly an insult, its supposed to be the most prestigious award in teh world) are haters.
 10-09-2009, 03:36 PM         #139
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 JBeezy said:
Your logic is so terrible it really is sad.

With your retarded logic, Americans should never vote again. I mean after all, none of us have ever written legislation or stood on the House floor and gave a speech. Who are we to analyze politicians and their actions? They know more about the inner workings of government then we do, shouldn't we just take them at their word and let them be?

Oh and we probably shouldn't have opinions regarding war either right? Most of us aren't soldiers....most of us haven't crafted a war strategy.....led troops into battle or signed a bill. We've never had to deal with that task, so who are we to criticize right? Let's just forgive and forgot Bush for Iraq and Congress for not standing up to him.....they HAD to have known more than us peons right?
You sound like a complete idiot right now...

And your comparisons are so off base as to what we are talking about right now(a committee a.ssigned to give out AN AWARD), that your reaching is just blatant and sad.


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 10-09-2009, 03:39 PM         #140
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Oh yea, so f**king peaceful while he's dropping bombs from drones on civilians in Pakistan and sending even more troops into Afghanistan for more war........ PEACE!!!
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