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 8 years ago '06        #21
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 07-25-2009, 05:07 PM         #22
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so jordan got handed a ring ??

jordan,pippen,rodman,kukoc,kerr
 8 years ago '09        #23
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 wisdom558 said:
so jordan got handed a ring ??

jordan,pippen,rodman,kukoc,kerr
Its funny how people cant realize thats just as stacked as the Laker team now but MJ fans cant admit it
 8 years ago '07        #24
Bigakathebeast 13 heat pts13
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 wisdom558 said:
lets see ?

wallace,pierce,allen,rondo,garnett :lostit0:

carmelo,martin,billups,nene,anderson :wow:

Howard,carter,lewis,nelson,barnes,gortat,bass :wow:

must I go on and on about stacked teams, whats your point ???
damn.............they really make lebron's cast look like trash on paper though

.....at least bron got sideshow bob.........everyone knows he deserved that big azz contract.
 8 years ago '06        #25
SuppaSlick 3 heat pts
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 P. Dedos said:
Don't be salty and only respond to certain posts

I'll just repeat it again

Great stats + Rings>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amazing stats

Tell me different
 07-25-2009, 05:23 PM         #26
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 Bigakathebeast said:
damn.............they really make lebron's cast look like trash on paper though

.....at least bron got sideshow bob.........everyone knows he deserved that big azz contract.
yea looks like lebron will be the next karl malone.

overhyped
overpaid
developed bald spot in his prime
and desperate to will a championship but failed
 07-25-2009, 05:31 PM         #27
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 SuppaSlick said:


Think what you want, dude got handed the league and still can't win a ring
^^^handed the league??? lol yeah he was surrounded by superstars on his team lol dumb a.ss
 07-25-2009, 05:33 PM         #28
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 Maroon_Tiger said:
not if the team was built around a predominantly 2 man offense like the lakers...

dont act like kobe and shaq werent taking an OVERWHELMING amount of the field goals.. the 3rd best player was rick fox... case closed

This is the Los Angeles Lakers 2001-2002 roster
Nº Player Ht Wt Years NBA DOB
8 Kobe Bryant 6-7 215 5 23/8/78
2 Derek Fisher 6-1 200 5 9/8/74
17 Rick Fox 6-7 242 10 24/7/69
3 Devean George 6-8 220 2 29/8/77
5 Robert Horry 6-10 235 9 25/8/70
34 Shaquille O'Neal 7-1 315 9 6/3/72
20 Brian Shaw 6-6 200 12 22/3/66
35 Mark Madsen 6-9 240 2 28/1/76
23 Mitch Ritchmond 6-5 220 13 30/6/65
52 Samaki Walker 6-9 5 25/2/76
14 Slava Medvedenko 6-10 250 2 4/4/79 (Ukraine)
Lindsey Hunter 8 3/12/70
Joe Crispin 6-0 1

Los Angeles Lakers 2000-01 Roster
Player Position Height Weight Born College
Brian Shaw Guard 6'6" 205 lbs. Mar. 22, 1966 California-Santa Barbara, 1988
Derek Fisher Guard 6'1" 205 lbs. Aug. 9, 1974 Arkansas-Little Rock, 1996
Isaiah Rider Guard 6'5" 214 lbs. Mar. 12, 1971 UNLV, 1993
Kobe Bryant Guard 6'6" 220 lbs. Aug. 23, 1978 None - Lower Merion HS (PA), 1996
Mike Penberthy Guard 6'3" 185 lbs. Nov. 29, 1974 The Master's College, 1997
Ron Harper Guard 6'6" 215 lbs. Jan. 20, 1964 Miami (OH), 1986
Tyronn Lue Guard 6'0" 178 lbs. May 3, 1977 Nebraska, 1998
Devean George Forward 6'8" 240 lbs. Aug. 29, 1977 Augsburg (MN), 1999
Horace Grant Forward 6'10" 245 lbs. July 4, 1965 Clemson, 1987
Mark Madsen Forward 6'9" 245 lbs. Jan 28, 1976 Stanford, 2000
Rick Fox Forward 6'7" 235 lbs. July 24, 1969 North Carolina, 1991
Robert Horry Forward 6'10" 240 lbs. Aug. 25, 1970 Alabama, 1992
Slava Medvedenko Forward 6'10" 250 lbs. Apr. 4, 1979 None
Greg Foster Center 6'11" 250 lbs. Oct. 3, 1968 Texas-El Paso, 1990
Shaquille O'Neal Center 7'1" 338 lbs. Mar. 6, 1972 Lousiana State, 1992

Los Angeles Lakers 2002-03 Roster
Player Position Height Weight Born College
Brian Shaw Guard 6'6" 205 lbs. Mar. 22, 1966 California-Santa Barbara, 1988
Derek Fisher Guard 6'1" 205 lbs. Aug. 9, 1974 Arkansas-Little Rock, 1996
Jannero Pargo Guard 6'1" 175 lbs. Sept. 22, 1979 Arkansas, 2002
Kareem Rush Guard 6'6" 215 lbs. Oct. 30, 1980 Missouri, 2003
Kobe Bryant Guard 6'6" 220 lbs. Aug. 23, 1978 None - Lower Merion HS (PA), 1996
Devean George Forward 6'8" 240 lbs. Aug. 29, 1977 Augsburg (MN), 1999
Mark Madsen Forward 6'9" 245 lbs. Jan 28, 1976 Stanford, 2000
Rick Fox Forward 6'7" 235 lbs. July 24, 1969 North Carolina, 1991
Robert Horry Forward 6'10" 240 lbs. Aug. 25, 1970 Alabama, 1992
Slava Medvedenko Forward 6'10" 250 lbs. Apr. 4, 1979 None
Tracy Murray Forward 6'7" 230 lbs. July 25, 1971 UCLA, 1993
Samaki Walker Forward/Center 6'9" 255 lbs. Feb. 25, 1976 Louisville, 1996
Shaquille O'Neal Center 7'1" 338 lbs. Mar. 6, 1972 Lousiana State, 1992
Soumaila Samake Center 6'10" 245 lbs. Mar. 18, 1978 None


How was rick foxx the third best player in any of these rosters ????
 8 years ago '06        #29
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 Maroon_Tiger said:
not if the team was built around a predominantly 2 man offense like the lakers...

dont act like kobe and shaq werent taking an OVERWHELMING amount of the field goals.. the 3rd best player was rick fox and derek fisher who only took shots periodically... case closed
Say what you like because I don't like to deal with "What If's" but if Lebron had a real Centre that jumped for rebounds he would have less rebounds. If Lebron and Chris Paul were on a team both their a.ssist numbers would go down, it happens

 rawproduct03 said:
^^^handed the league??? lol yeah he was surrounded by superstars on his team lol dumb a.ss
I'm sure there are many who wish they could travel and not get called for it, get tapped while charging the lane and get calls and go games without getting a personal foul
 07-25-2009, 05:55 PM         #30
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Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
96-97 PHI 76 74 40.1 0.416 0.341 0.702 1.5 2.6 4.1 7.5 2.1 0.3 4.43 3.10 23.5
97-98 PHI 80 80 39.4 0.461 0.298 0.729 1.1 2.6 3.7 6.2 2.2 0.3 3.05 2.50 22.0
98-99 PHI 48 48 41.5 0.412 0.291 0.751 1.4 3.5 4.9 4.6 2.3 0.2 3.48 2.00 26.8
99-00 PHI 70 70 40.8 0.421 0.341 0.713 1.0 2.8 3.8 4.7 2.1 0.1 3.29 2.30 28.4
00-01 PHI 71 71 42.0 0.420 0.320 0.814 0.7 3.1 3.8 4.6 2.5 0.3 3.34 2.10 31.1
01-02 PHI 60 59 43.7 0.398 0.291 0.812 0.7 3.8 4.5 5.5 2.8 0.2 3.95 1.70 31.4
02-03 PHI 82 82 42.5 0.414 0.277 0.774 0.8 3.4 4.2 5.5 2.7 0.2 3.49 1.80 27.6
03-04 PHI 48 47 42.5 0.387 0.286 0.745 0.7 3.0 3.7 6.8 2.4 0.1 4.35 1.80 26.4
04-05 PHI 75 75 42.3 0.424 0.308 0.835 0.7 3.3 4.0 7.9 2.4 0.1 4.59 1.90 30.7
05-06 PHI 72 72 43.1 0.447 0.323 0.814 0.6 2.6 3.2 7.4 1.9 0.1 3.44 1.70 33.0
06-07 PHI 15 15 42.7 0.413 0.226 0.885 0.5 2.3 2.7 7.3 2.2 0.1 4.40 1.40 31.2
06-07 DEN 50 49 42.4 0.454 0.347 0.759 0.3 2.7 3.0 7.2 1.8 0.2 4.04 1.50 24.8
07-08 DEN 82 82 41.8 0.458 0.345 0.809 0.6 2.4 3.0 7.1 2.0 0.2 2.99 1.30 26.4
08-09 DEN 3 3 41.0 0.450 0.250 0.720 1.0 1.7 2.7 6.7 1.0 0.3 3.33 1.00 18.7

Numbers or atleast stats like those really do nothing for your arguement. So because of lebrons stats you say you think he is better. This guy is more athleticism then anything. He lacks the finesse kobe brings to the table. Kobe is coming out of his prime and still can anyone stop him? he should have atleast 3 mvps in his trophy room. i read somewhere kobe wasnt in his prime 2 years ago. wow such disregard in that. i forget he had a scoring record for scoring 40 or more in how many games...? but hey bron fans. i understand, its saturday, have nothing better to do but to post something like this and have fun with a foolish statement especially so early in potential hall of famers career like lebrons. dont hype em up too much. fyi those stats from above are allen iversons and what do they do for him (please dont answer that question, its rhetorical)?
 8 years ago '07        #31
joshdogg26 193 heat pts193
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nobody who isn't gay thinks that.
 8 years ago '06        #32
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 Maroon_Tiger said:
actually iverson deserves alot of respect... its just sad that yall sh*t on any player that becomes an elite player and doesnt win a ring... yall would be dogging kg if he didnt win a ring too..

the fact that you'd treat lebron like iverson if he never won a ring is pure hate
I think that even through all the hate people would never go that far to disrespect Lebron by putting him in the same sentence as Iverson
 8 years ago '09        #33
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 MicRo said:
Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
96-97 PHI 76 74 40.1 0.416 0.341 0.702 1.5 2.6 4.1 7.5 2.1 0.3 4.43 3.10 23.5
97-98 PHI 80 80 39.4 0.461 0.298 0.729 1.1 2.6 3.7 6.2 2.2 0.3 3.05 2.50 22.0
98-99 PHI 48 48 41.5 0.412 0.291 0.751 1.4 3.5 4.9 4.6 2.3 0.2 3.48 2.00 26.8
99-00 PHI 70 70 40.8 0.421 0.341 0.713 1.0 2.8 3.8 4.7 2.1 0.1 3.29 2.30 28.4
00-01 PHI 71 71 42.0 0.420 0.320 0.814 0.7 3.1 3.8 4.6 2.5 0.3 3.34 2.10 31.1
01-02 PHI 60 59 43.7 0.398 0.291 0.812 0.7 3.8 4.5 5.5 2.8 0.2 3.95 1.70 31.4
02-03 PHI 82 82 42.5 0.414 0.277 0.774 0.8 3.4 4.2 5.5 2.7 0.2 3.49 1.80 27.6
03-04 PHI 48 47 42.5 0.387 0.286 0.745 0.7 3.0 3.7 6.8 2.4 0.1 4.35 1.80 26.4
04-05 PHI 75 75 42.3 0.424 0.308 0.835 0.7 3.3 4.0 7.9 2.4 0.1 4.59 1.90 30.7
05-06 PHI 72 72 43.1 0.447 0.323 0.814 0.6 2.6 3.2 7.4 1.9 0.1 3.44 1.70 33.0
06-07 PHI 15 15 42.7 0.413 0.226 0.885 0.5 2.3 2.7 7.3 2.2 0.1 4.40 1.40 31.2
06-07 DEN 50 49 42.4 0.454 0.347 0.759 0.3 2.7 3.0 7.2 1.8 0.2 4.04 1.50 24.8
07-08 DEN 82 82 41.8 0.458 0.345 0.809 0.6 2.4 3.0 7.1 2.0 0.2 2.99 1.30 26.4
08-09 DEN 3 3 41.0 0.450 0.250 0.720 1.0 1.7 2.7 6.7 1.0 0.3 3.33 1.00 18.7

Numbers or atleast stats like those really do nothing for your arguement. So because of lebrons stats you say you think he is better. This guy is more athleticism then anything. He lacks the finesse kobe brings to the table. Kobe is coming out of his prime and still can anyone stop him? he should have atleast 3 mvps in his trophy room. i read somewhere kobe wasnt in his prime 2 years ago. wow such disregard in that. i forget he had a scoring record for scoring 40 or more in how many games...? but hey bron fans. i understand, its saturday, have nothing better to do but to post something like this and have fun with a foolish statement especially so early in potential hall of famers career like lebrons. dont hype em up too much. fyi those stats from above are allen iversons and what do they do for him (please dont answer that question, its rhetorical)?
 8 years ago '04        #34
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Refs tried to WILL Lebron into the finals this season against Orlando and he still couldn't do it..
Nothing more needs to be said.

Who's the last player to average 14+ FTA in the playoffs?
SHAQ? If he ever did?

On pace to break every single playoff free throw record in existence and still failed...

Lebron James took the ultimate L (no pun intended) there.


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 8 years ago '05        #35
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My argument Is based on Lebrons time in the league and what he has done at his age NOBODY has ever done... Kobe took 3 years to get started, my question is if lebron wins 4 rings and his stats drop, is he THEN the better player?? Does a championship make you a better player than someone who doesnt have one?
 07-25-2009, 06:32 PM         #36
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LeBron is better than Kobe now? That's a legitimate debate. Career? No.
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 8 years ago '05        #37
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 MicRo said:
Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
96-97 PHI 76 74 40.1 0.416 0.341 0.702 1.5 2.6 4.1 7.5 2.1 0.3 4.43 3.10 23.5
97-98 PHI 80 80 39.4 0.461 0.298 0.729 1.1 2.6 3.7 6.2 2.2 0.3 3.05 2.50 22.0
98-99 PHI 48 48 41.5 0.412 0.291 0.751 1.4 3.5 4.9 4.6 2.3 0.2 3.48 2.00 26.8
99-00 PHI 70 70 40.8 0.421 0.341 0.713 1.0 2.8 3.8 4.7 2.1 0.1 3.29 2.30 28.4
00-01 PHI 71 71 42.0 0.420 0.320 0.814 0.7 3.1 3.8 4.6 2.5 0.3 3.34 2.10 31.1
01-02 PHI 60 59 43.7 0.398 0.291 0.812 0.7 3.8 4.5 5.5 2.8 0.2 3.95 1.70 31.4
02-03 PHI 82 82 42.5 0.414 0.277 0.774 0.8 3.4 4.2 5.5 2.7 0.2 3.49 1.80 27.6
03-04 PHI 48 47 42.5 0.387 0.286 0.745 0.7 3.0 3.7 6.8 2.4 0.1 4.35 1.80 26.4
04-05 PHI 75 75 42.3 0.424 0.308 0.835 0.7 3.3 4.0 7.9 2.4 0.1 4.59 1.90 30.7
05-06 PHI 72 72 43.1 0.447 0.323 0.814 0.6 2.6 3.2 7.4 1.9 0.1 3.44 1.70 33.0
06-07 PHI 15 15 42.7 0.413 0.226 0.885 0.5 2.3 2.7 7.3 2.2 0.1 4.40 1.40 31.2
06-07 DEN 50 49 42.4 0.454 0.347 0.759 0.3 2.7 3.0 7.2 1.8 0.2 4.04 1.50 24.8
07-08 DEN 82 82 41.8 0.458 0.345 0.809 0.6 2.4 3.0 7.1 2.0 0.2 2.99 1.30 26.4
08-09 DEN 3 3 41.0 0.450 0.250 0.720 1.0 1.7 2.7 6.7 1.0 0.3 3.33 1.00 18.7

Numbers or atleast stats like those really do nothing for your arguement. So because of lebrons stats you say you think he is better. This guy is more athleticism then anything. He lacks the finesse kobe brings to the table. Kobe is coming out of his prime and still can anyone stop him? he should have atleast 3 mvps in his trophy room. i read somewhere kobe wasnt in his prime 2 years ago. wow such disregard in that. i forget he had a scoring record for scoring 40 or more in how many games...? but hey bron fans. i understand, its saturday, have nothing better to do but to post something like this and have fun with a foolish statement especially so early in potential hall of famers career like lebrons. dont hype em up too much. fyi those stats from above are allen iversons and what do they do for him (please dont answer that question, its rhetorical)?
My posting of the numbers is an argument to how much further along Lebron is than Kobe, and Iverson numbers are impressive but even his don't match lebrons... Kobe didnt put up lebrons numbers even after shaq and was making 7th and 8th place in playoffs, give lebron pau gasol and what happens?? championship, lebron has no help and shaq is not his help this year either. and if numbers and stats is my argument.. is championships yours??? I mean come on Even his ast ,to ratio is lower.


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 8 years ago '04        #38
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Kobe @ 24 >> Lebron @ 24 too..
30/6/7/2.2stl playing as a "2nd option"


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 8 years ago '08        #39
Illuminati 191 heat pts191
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Oh, that's great.
 8 years ago '05        #40
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 str8_akademiks said:
Kobe @ 24 >> Lebron @ 24 too..
30/6/7/2.2stl playing as a "2nd option"
I'm glad you brought that up, cause eh.. I believe that was the year he actually became the first option shaq had the first toe problem... and what happened?? they lost to the spurs in the west finals...........
Maybe he and lebron are closer than you think...


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