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 8 years ago '09        #341
TheG1ftedOne 4 heat pts
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 Maroon_Tiger said:
its really sad to see yall slurp kobe like this... MORE SKILLED THAN lebron when he was 24?!?!

kobe being an amazing player at 24???! come on

i'll give kobe this.. he was the best sidekick @ 24 that i've ever seen... you gotta put it into perspective. at his level of experience, LEBRON HAD ALREADY CARRIED A TEAM PAST THE PISTONS TO THE NBA FINALS.. wade had already DESTROYED THE PISTONS AND MAVS with a barrage of individual performances... LEBRON'S GAME A/G THE PISTONS ALONE trumps kobe's young individual career...

BE HONEST WITH YOURSELF.. w/o shaq, this would be kobe's 1st RING.. after 13-14 seasons...

kobe's career is the equivalent of working with donald trump or russel simmons for the 1st half of your career... OF COURSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE accomplishments than the average person... but you'd never get there on your own

kobe might always have a better jumpshot than lebron... but lebron is a more DEVELOPED player than kobe was, and will shatter kobe's all around player development... PEOPLE ARE RECOGNIZING THIS... THE ONLY THING HOLDING LEBRON back is the consistency of his jumpshot... and getting on a great team... HE WILL DOMINATE.. THATS A BOTTOM LINE HATERS
The media and basketball fans dont consider Kobe top 5/10 all time for nothing... When Shaq left it showed how good Kobe was individually and if Shaq would have left earlier, we would have seen crazier numbers then we saw.... Kobe is where Lebron wants to be but to get there he's going to have to win more than just 1 title...
 8 years ago '08        #342
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 TheG1ftedOne said:
The media and basketball fans dont consider Kobe top 5/10 all time for nothing... When Shaq left it showed how good Kobe was individually and if Shaq would have left earlier, we would have seen crazier numbers then we saw.... Kobe is where Lebron wants to be but to get there he's going to have to win more than just 1 title...


.....It's getting to the point where I don't even have to write s**t anymore , because you guys are nailing it every single time........
 8 years ago '07        #343
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 StateProperty88 said:
i partly agree with you. teams win championships, but outside of the pistons of a few years ago i dont think there has been a team that has won a championship without one of the greatest of all time.

rockets- dream
celtic- bird/russell
spurs- duncan
bulls- jordan
etc

so having one of the best player in the league kinda goes hand in hand with the best team
But those guys were all on solid teams with a great 2nd or 3rd option.
Kobe/Pau/Odom
Shaq/Kobe
KG/Pierce/Allen
Duncan/Parker/Manu/ 1yr wit Robinson
Wade/Shaq
Jordan/Pippen
Dream/Clyde

Lebron/ BIG Z??????????????????????????????????? Mike Brown?????????????????????????????????

Like you said except that pistons team all those other teams had at least two people who can light it up at any time. You need a great player but you also need other people to step up in huge games when your superstar is playing subpar. Who has Lebron ever had that can do that. Lebron has never played with anybody else on that level. Only time will tell whats gonna happen, but people just wanna throw kobe's 4 rings against Lebron's 0 knowing he still has not had a real shot to win a title yet. This upcoming season is gonna be his best shot so far.
 8 years ago '06        #344
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Lebron is better than Kobe and heres why...Lebron does wayyy more than kobe does...Lebron is a excellent passer and rebounder not to mention he is a emerging defensive stopper. and for people saying Lebron game is all size and muscle k!ll yourself because it is much more than that... you cant punish somebody because there bigger and stronger.. if thats the case then Shaq, And Dwight should be looked at differently.... and just think if Kobe was on this years cavs would they really went that far? would Kobe even have a ring? For christ sakes Lebron took his team to a finals by himself when he was what 22yrs old?? Last time Kobe had a team by himself they only made it to the first round and lost against the suns when he quit on his team in gm7... and for all yu people who say Kobe is smarter... k!ll yourself... just cause you gotta k!ller midrange game dont make you smarter....and for all you people who think Kobe scoring 81 points was amazing.. k!ll yourself... ball hogging and gunning is not a good look in this era of basketball taking 46 shots is not acceptable... and for people saying that stats dont tell the whole story well your wrong because it does...It should tell yu something when Lebron scores 50+ Pts and still have over 8 a.ssist and when Kobe Scores 50+ and doesnt...
 08-01-2009, 02:05 PM         #345
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Who wins championships? Not Lebron for sure
 8 years ago '08        #346
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 Maroon_Tiger said:
if body of work means BEING ON CHAMPIONSHIP teams, then yall are using the wrong criteria... LEBRON HAS BETTER STATS than the most successful players in the nba.. it seems that 2-4 rings will get you immortalized in groupie heaven

by that standard BARRY SANDERS IS GARBAGE, so is john stockton, reggie miller, dan marino, and karl malone and charles barkley/etc


The hell you always getting upset when people don't agree with you.. Kobe>bron
It's my opinion so get over it.....Jeez.......
 8 years ago '09        #347
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 Maroon_Tiger said:
dude, kobe is top 5,10 material... theres no denying that

hes the most dangerous shooter in the game, hes playing on arguably, the most talented team in the league..

im not saying that kobe isnt top 3 material... but his development in the first 6-8 years were NOT better than the development of the 2003 class's best(lebron, wade)... period...

if kobe didnt play on the lakers, and this was his 1st ring, yall wouldnt slurp kobe as hard... NOT BECAUSE HE WOULDNT BE THE SAME PLAYER skillswise, its b/c he wouldnt have the rings to suck him off for..

the only logic yall have is the RINGS ARGUMENT... b/c if you want to talk skills, look at lebrons skills, you wanna talk stats!?!? kobe cant compete... you wanna talk mvps's!?!? lebron did it in half the time w/ less talent... so im gonna love talking to people when lebron gets 3-4 rings under his belt... b/c there wil be no more hating... and lebron's stats will push kobe under him (no homo)

YALL ARE using copouts, MEDIA, DAVID STERN will put lebron/wade in the top spot, put them in the position to win rings.. GTFOH... championships are earned... thinking otherwise is the mindset of a delusional hater.. the media hate on wade, kobe and lebron all the same, actually, they were pretty light on kobe's mistakes..
Yall are using the same s**t just in different forms for Kobe... If your admitting that Kobe is top 5/10 material, then what is the argument? That Lebron is as good as Jordan? If he is "that" much better than Kobe, the only player he should be compared to is Jordan, but he isnt even in Jordans league (I aint talkin about NBA)... Kobe has already ACHEIVED and DONE it while Lebron is IFs and POTENTIAL... I mean the first things they say about Kobe is that he had Shaq and that he is a rapist... Well, We can go down the list of greatest players and guess what, theyre going to have a top 50 player on their team... Kobe just proved he can without top 50 help, hell, not even a sure hall of famer... And Kobe just won with 2 completely different teams of personell but he and DFish were the only 2 players on both teams, so why are you downlplaying his role on the first championship run when its obvious he was just as much as the reason of winning as Shaq was.... Lebron better figure out how to win


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 8 years ago '08        #348
illmatic_kid 9 heat pts
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 TheG1ftedOne said:
Yall are using the same s**t just in different forms for Kobe... If your admitting that Kobe is top 5/10 material, then what is the argument? That Lebron is as good as Jordan? If he is "that" much better than Kobe, the only player he should be compared to is Jordan, but he isnt even in Jordans league (I aint talkin about NBA)... Kobe has already ACHEIVED and DONE it while Lebron is IFs and POTENTIAL... I mean the first things they say about Kobe is that he had Shaq and that he is a rapist... Well, We can go down the list of greatest players and guess what, theyre going to have a top 50 player on their team... Kobe just proved he can without top 50 help, hell, not even a sure hall of famer... And Kobe just won with 2 completely different teams of personell but he and DFish were the only 2 players on both teams, so why are you downlplaying his role on the first championship run when its obvious he was just as much as the reason of winning as Shaq was.... Lebron better figure out how to win


......:applause:...............
 8 years ago '09        #349
TheG1ftedOne 4 heat pts
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 Maroon_Tiger said:
a championship callibur team does... no one player ever did
Yep and Lebron will never win by himself, so all these Lebron fans wishing he will win one by himself to prove "how good he is", it isnt going to happen...
 8 years ago '04        #350
A.G 27 heat pts27
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Lebron fans get hype off Lebron dominating s**tty teams..

Kobe's 48 points, 16 reb vs. Sacramento is better than any game Lebron ever had in the playoffs and against a better team than Lebron EVER played besides the Spurs. And guess who fouled out in that game...?

Then the next game puts up 45 points, 10 reb vs. San Antonio..


This being at age 22..


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 8 years ago '04        #351
Mat The W 
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why folk acting like lebron didnt have a championship caliber team this year? best record in the league, only 2 reg season losses at home, 2 all stars, coach of the year, mvp - what more did they need? you dont need a GREAT team to win titles, this yrs lakers team was not a great team they were good but not great, neither were dwades heat team, or last seasons celtics. so all this talk about lebron not having a great team as the reason for no rings is bogus, you dont need to be the greatest team ever, you dont need shaq, or pippen or bird, or whoever you just gotta be the best at that time.

bottom line is the hof there are alot of great players, but they aint equal. right now kobe is at the table with mj, magic, kareem, bird, russell etc and lebron is at the table with ewing, barkley, stockton, malone, etc. in basketball you gotta to win titles to be considered the best,period. its not all about titles you still gotta dominate on the floor on both ends. and b4 somebody says it NO robert horry isnt better than bron cuz he has more rings of course not but without rings lebron cant be in the conversion with kobe, mike, magic, and the other greats who dominated and won rings while dominating. somebody mentioned barry sanders but basketball is different from baseball and football cuz you can be the best hitter ever or the greatest rb ever and never win a championship because the rest of the team sucks and you cant control the game but in basketball one guy can control the game and take over in the playoffs and win games and series. we saw kobe do it at times this year and in the past, we saw dhoward do it, we saw dwade do it to the mavs in the finals, we saw lebron do it to the pistons.

in basketball the greatest win rings, not 1, not 2. look at mj, magic, bird, russell, kobe, shaq , timmy, etc how can you be on their level with the numbers they put up on the court and they all won 3plus titles????? really before you hate just think bout it - guys who put up big numbers and where vital parts in winning mulitple rings vs guys who put up big numbers and dont win s**t, there is a huge difference. and thats no hate on malone, barkely, etc but they gotta sit at the other table.
 8 years ago '08        #352
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 Mat The W said:
why folk acting like lebron didnt have a championship caliber team this year? best record in the league, only 2 reg season losses at home, 2 all stars, coach of the year, mvp - what more did they need? you dont need a GREAT team to win titles, this yrs lakers team was not a great team they were good but not great, neither were dwades heat team, or last seasons celtics. so all this talk about lebron not having a great team as the reason for no rings is bogus, you dont need to be the greatest team ever, you dont need shaq, or pippen or bird, or whoever you just gotta be the best at that time.

bottom line is the hof there are alot of great players, but they aint equal. right now kobe is at the table with mj, magic, kareem, bird, russell etc and lebron is at the table with ewing, barkley, stockton, malone, etc. in basketball you gotta to win titles to be considered the best,period. its not all about titles you still gotta dominate on the floor on both ends. and b4 somebody says it NO robert horry isnt better than bron cuz he has more rings of course not but without rings lebron cant be in the conversion with kobe, mike, magic, and the other greats who dominated and won rings while dominating. somebody mentioned barry sanders but basketball is different from baseball and football cuz you can be the best hitter ever or the greatest rb ever and never win a championship because the rest of the team sucks and you cant control the game but in basketball one guy can control the game and take over in the playoffs and win games and series. we saw kobe do it at times this year and in the past, we saw dhoward do it, we saw dwade do it to the mavs in the finals, we saw lebron do it to the pistons.

in basketball the greatest win rings, not 1, not 2. look at mj, magic, bird, russell, kobe, shaq , timmy, etc how can you be on their level with the numbers they put up on the court and they all won 3plus titles????? really before you hate just think bout it - guys who put up big numbers and where vital parts in winning mulitple rings vs guys who put up big numbers and dont win s**t, there is a huge difference. and thats no hate on malone, barkely, etc but they gotta sit at the other table.


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 8 years ago '08        #353
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 str8_akademiks said:
Lebron fans get hype off Lebron dominating s**tty teams..

Kobe's 48 points, 16 reb vs. Sacramento is better than any game Lebron ever had in the playoffs and against a better team than Lebron EVER played besides the Spurs. And guess who fouled out in that game...?

Then the next game puts up 45 points, 10 reb vs. San Antonio..


This being at age 22..





These dudes don't understand fam...f**k it though..Kobe>>bron..........
 8 years ago '09        #354
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 Maroon_Tiger said:
matt, you being a fan of the bulls, and obviously a kobe supporter in this argument, you know better than to say the cavs could win a championship... i mean THEY CAN, but a/g a very weak team....

look at the talent on lebron's team vs. the talent on the cavs... there is no comparison

look at the laker dynasty team and the bull's when they 3peated... AGAIN no comparison..

look at the foundation that the spurs had... again no comparison...

w/o lebron, the cavs wouldnt win 30 games... lebron completely makes that team

yall have to be haters, or delerious.... to think that lebrons' team is a team that could help him win 1-3 championships...

a championship team would never get spanked by a unexperienced team like the orlando magic...

im done with this thread... when lebron gets his rings, i hope yall stop bulls**ttin

Stop lying fool. I bet money this guy makes another 30 post in here on why he thinks lebron is better than kobe. Dude you should have stopped posting like 20 pages ago.
 8 years ago '09        #355
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Why do the Bron fans continue to ignore some of these comments? Your only replying to the ones you WANT to reply to
 8 years ago '08        #356
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 TheG1ftedOne said:
Why do the Bron fans continue to ignore some of these comments? Your only replying to the ones you WANT to reply to


They can't.........
 8 years ago '08        #357
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It`s a one sided rivalry. How can you compare a n*gga who hasn`t done anything (but disappoint if you think about it) to a n*gga who has done about everything you can do as a pro? All this by the age of 30!!Only thing Kobe hasn`t done is win DPOY....
 8 years ago '05        #358
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 illmatic_kid said:
They can't.........
I personally cant reply to every post,
but here is some answers i would like
Lebron on a wack team, nba finals
kobe on wack team first round knock out

Lebron on wack team 31 8 7
kobe on wack team 35 5 5

lebron dominates from very first season
kobe takes 3 years

jorrdan waited 6 seasons before winning a title but had an mvp and was the best player in the league over bird magic and isiah who won the title that year,

lebron has played 6 seasons and is better than a kobe who skills are slowly diminishing
like i said kobe was the beast from 02 03 to 06 07
but lebron is the best last year and this year, he has caught up and surpassed an aging kobe, you must admit this kobe even with the ship ring is not the kobe of 2 3 years ago, if that kobe played this kobe the 35 a game 81 pt kobe would k!ll this one, and so would lebron, f**k the 4 rings its this kobe thats not as good, I will respond to whoever responds to this without biased answers. and if you cant admit this kobe is not the best kobe, i dont even want to read the post.
 8 years ago '08        #359
Dee Grande 1269 heat pts1269
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@ this thread
 8 years ago '05        #360
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 Dee Grande said:
@ this thread
It's sickening how they're trying to defame the GOAT.
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