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 9 years ago '05        #181
hbk83 1 heat pts OP
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 INF4MOUS said:
even though d wade has jermaine oneal and two rookies as his help? dwades second best player is who? jermaine fu*kin oneal? or is it mario chalmers? stop posting.
exactly and who is lebrons second best, mo williams?? what about before mo.. big z??
there was a couple people responding putting up a f!ght now the conversation just dumbed down with you two posting.
 9 years ago '09        #182
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 hbk83 said:
how have you not seen evidence... did you see what he did in the playoffs this year, dude is unstoppable and MVP .. 66-16 with mo williams as a sidekick... these are biased statements
where is dwade without shaq?? putting up great numbers but not winning like lebron or putting up the same numbers..
Check these out
2◊ NBA MVP
13◊ NBA All-Star
11◊ All-NBA First Team Selection
2◊ All-NBA Second Team Selection
1◊ All-NBA Third Team Selection
3◊ NBA All-Defensive First Team Selection
1◊ NBA All-Defensive Second Team Selection
2◊ NBA All-Star MVP


Points 36,928
Assists 5,238
Rebounds 14,968

Looking at these numbers here, you would say, he has as good of numbers as anybody whose ever played... but this player is not even regarded as one of the top 10 or maybe even top 20... becuase he has 0 Championship... Sorry but its just the harsh realities of life
 9 years ago '07        #183
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 hbk83 said:
exactly and who is lebrons second best, mo williams?? what about before mo.. big z??
there was a couple people responding putting up a f!ght now the conversation just dumbed down with you two posting.
still havent replied to my other post yet?

yes n*gga, mo williams is better than anyone on the heats roster last season. varejao big z and west are far better role players than what the heat got

what about before moe? gohead and tell me who kobes best player was before gasol in that same time span. was it kwame? smush parker? maybe it was luke walton logging heavy minutes. the fact that kobe had a sh*tter team in the west and u fail to grasp this baffles me

youve been ethered. move on.


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 9 years ago '06        #184
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 hbk83 said:
This whole thread is the answer.. lol its the whole point the thread was started.. "why lebron > kobe" pay attention
He is a better all around player, he does much more on the court and is much more valuable to the league and his team then kobe ever has been , his abilities are limitless and he hasn't even peaked yet. he scores at will, amazing court vision, amazing scoring, amazing ball handling abilities, plays every position from the 1 to the 4 with an impact, rebounding , passing, defense improved greatly, so dont get on his defens cause kobe didnt become a great defender til a couple years ago, lebron is actually becoming a great on ball defender. plays full speed 40mins a game, kobe gives up during games lol sits on bench cause his teamates make him mad ..
All this thread is...is a bunch of excuses.

He's not a better all around player-He's a bowling ball going to the rack and his shot is average at best. He's not a better defender than Kobe, not a better scorer, is not as skilled as Kobe, can't shoot like Kobe, and his mid range game is sh*t compared to Kobe's.

He does much more on the court....How so? Because he gets more rebounds and more a.ssist? He gets more rebounds because he's bigger and more athletic than most guards that guard him. He averages more a.ssist because he's ball dominant and all they do is run low 1-4 all game. Again, Kobe's a better defender. Damn that he got better sh*t.

He's more valuable to the league because the media made him so. Not because he's the best. He has contagious personality and he's a freak of nature. Still doesn't make him better. And lets be real, before we even knew who LeBron James was, Kobe was the next Mike when it came to the face of the NBA. This is when he was with Shaq. r*pe charge k!lled that. If that didn't go down, GAME OVER.

His abilities are limitless...The n*gga can't shoot and doesn't have an inside game. What happens when he can't muscle and out jump people anymore? Kobe's abilities are limitless. LeBron has admitted to stealing moves from Kobe, along with a lot of other players. The crab dribble is not a move...It's a football play.

So Kobe doesn't score at will? How many times does this guy need to prove he's the best scorer period?

So Kobe doesn't have amazing court vision? Especially when it matters.

So Kobe isn't an amazing scorer? Yes he is. He's the MOST AMAZING SCORER arguably ever.

What's amazing about his ball handling? The fact that he can get to the rack? So Kobe can't get to the rack at will?

LeBron plays the 4 like Rashad Lewis plays the 4...They don't. What post move have you seen this dude do? And bringing the ball up the court doesn't make you a 1.

LeBron plays full speed 40 minutes because he doesn't know how to slow the game down. His weaknesses in the half court are exposed every time the ball slows down. Kobe is good enough to turn it on and turn it off. Score when his team needs him to not just because he can. He can get his team involved and not be aggressive offensively the whole game then turn it on at the end, when it counts, and get the win.

Kobe pulled a b*tch move in that Suns series a few years back. Ever since then, he's been the ultimate competitor. And before then he was the ultimate competitor. MJ got mad at his teammates. To the point they threatened to end his career.


Kobe is a better game finisher.
Kobe is a better scorer.
Kobe is more clutch.
Kobe is a proven winner.
Kobe is more skilled.
Kobe is a better leader.
Kobe is tougher.
Kobe is more experienced.
Kobe has a better knowledge of the game.
Kobe has rings.
Kobe has a finals MVP.
Kobe has a regular season MVP.
Kobe played with a fu*ked up shoulder.
Kobe played with one hand.
Kobe played with a broke pinkie.

The list goes on...This young n*gga LeBron ain't weathered enough to go at the crown.
 9 years ago '05        #185
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 hood135 said:
All this thread is...is a bunch of excuses.

He's not a better all around player-He's a bowling ball going to the rack and his shot is average at best. He's not a better defender than Kobe, not a better scorer, is not as skilled as Kobe, can't shoot like Kobe, and his mid range game is sh*t compared to Kobe's.

He does much more on the court....How so? Because he gets more rebounds and more a.ssist? He gets more rebounds because he's bigger and more athletic than most guards that guard him. He averages more a.ssist because he's ball dominant and all they do is run low 1-4 all game. Again, Kobe's a better defender. Damn that he got better sh*t.

He's more valuable to the league because the media made him so. Not because he's the best. He has contagious personality and he's a freak of nature. Still doesn't make him better. And lets be real, before we even knew who LeBron James was, Kobe was the next Mike when it came to the face of the NBA. This is when he was with Shaq. r*pe charge k!lled that. If that didn't go down, GAME OVER.

His abilities are limitless...The n*gga can't shoot and doesn't have an inside game. What happens when he can't muscle and out jump people anymore? Kobe's abilities are limitless. LeBron has admitted to stealing moves from Kobe, along with a lot of other players. The crab dribble is not a move...It's a football play.

So Kobe doesn't score at will? How many times does this guy need to prove he's the best scorer period?

So Kobe doesn't have amazing court vision? Especially when it matters.

So Kobe isn't an amazing scorer? Yes he is. He's the MOST AMAZING SCORER arguably ever.

What's amazing about his ball handling? The fact that he can get to the rack? So Kobe can't get to the rack at will?

LeBron plays the 4 like Rashad Lewis plays the 4...They don't. What post move have you seen this dude do? And bringing the ball up the court doesn't make you a 1.

LeBron plays full speed 40 minutes because he doesn't know how to slow the game down. His weaknesses in the half court are exposed every time the ball slows down. Kobe is good enough to turn it on and turn it off. Score when his team needs him to not just because he can. He can get his team involved and not be aggressive offensively the whole game then turn it on at the end, when it counts, and get the win.

Kobe pulled a b*tch move in that Suns series a few years back. Ever since then, he's been the ultimate competitor. And before then he was the ultimate competitor. MJ got mad at his teammates. To the point they threatened to end his career.


Kobe is a better game finisher.
Kobe is a better scorer.
Kobe is more clutch.
Kobe is a proven winner.
Kobe is more skilled.
Kobe is a better leader.
Kobe is tougher.
Kobe is more experienced.
Kobe has a better knowledge of the game.
Kobe has rings.
Kobe has a finals MVP.
Kobe has a regular season MVP.
Kobe played with a fu*ked up shoulder.
Kobe played with one hand.
Kobe played with a broke pinkie.

The list goes on...This young n*gga LeBron ain't weathered enough to go at the crown.
KOBE has 13 SEASONS

Now look at 6 seasons

Unstoppable scorer
Great court vision
Great passer
Great rebounder
Rookie of year
all rookie first team
MVP
scoring title
2 nba all star mvp
5 time nba all star
3 all nba first team
2 all second team
1 all defense team
29-8-7 playoff career avg
28-7-7 season career avg
Also clutch with numerous playoff game winners
Tougher gets fouled almost everytime down the lane (kobe crys for the calls)
these accomplishments in half the time

lebron is better today, now if you want to start talking all this weathering the storm and accomplishments we might as well keep saying shaq is the greatest active player


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 9 years ago '06        #186
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 hbk83 said:
KOBE has 13 SEASONS

Now look at 6 seasons

Unstoppable scorer
Great court vision
Great passer
Great rebounder
Rookie of year
all rookie first team
MVP
scoring title
2 nba all star mvp
5 time nba all star
3 all nba first team
2 all second team
1 all defense team
29-8-7 playoff career avg
28-7-7 season career avg
Also clutch with numerous playoff game winners
Tougher gets fouled almost everytime down the lane (kobe crys for the calls)
these accomplishments in half the time

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I give up. LeBron is better. His 6 years >>> Kobe's 13.
 9 years ago '05        #187
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 TheG1ftedOne said:
Check these out
2◊ NBA MVP
13◊ NBA All-Star
11◊ All-NBA First Team Selection
2◊ All-NBA Second Team Selection
1◊ All-NBA Third Team Selection
3◊ NBA All-Defensive First Team Selection
1◊ NBA All-Defensive Second Team Selection
2◊ NBA All-Star MVP


Points 36,928
Assists 5,238
Rebounds 14,968

Looking at these numbers here, you would say, he has as good of numbers as anybody whose ever played... but this player is not even regarded as one of the top 10 or maybe even top 20... becuase he has 0 Championship... Sorry but its just the harsh realities of life
If your refering to karl malone which i believe you are, Who does not include him as top 20?
He is the best all time pf behind tim duncan. and thats still close, people may not talk about him much cause nobody really likes him, from his attitude, to i guess having a kid with like a 14 year old or some sh*t, but nobdy forgets this n*gga he def top 20. top 10 there is just too much great players through 80 years of basketball lol
 9 years ago '05        #188
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 hood135 said:

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I give up. LeBron is better. His 6 years >>> Kobe's 13.
Na lol, Respect homey I like your opinion and your argument, im not telling you to say lebron is better im just explaining why I think he is, I 100% respect your opinion of kobe and lebron, who knows lebron career may go to sh*t and I can say dam these n*ggas were right ya dig, cause before lebron was drafted i was skeptical, i said melo will have a better start but lebron in time will be, but he progressed quick and proved millions wrong
 9 years ago '09        #189
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 hbk83 said:
If your refering to karl malone which i believe you are, Who does not include him as top 20?
He is the best all time pf behind tim duncan. and thats still close, people may not talk about him much cause nobody really likes him, from his attitude, to i guess having a kid with like a 14 year old or some sh*t, but nobdy forgets this n*gga he def top 20. top 10 there is just too much great players through 80 years of basketball lol
Ok top 20 you can have that... But those stats and accomplishments are top 3 numbers! If he had rings, he would be top 10 no question...
my question is, are you saying Lebrons body of work right now, is better than Kobe's body of work? Thats not even an arguement.. The only arguement could be, is LBJ better than kobe RIGHT NOW and the answer is, NO still... He led them to the olympic gold medal, hit the big shots down the stretch... He still was number 2 in MVP voting, he won the Finals MVP with numbers only the Logo and MJ put up... If your saying that he COULD have put those numbers up in the finals, well, he didnt even make it there, you can say he put up crazy numbers in the ECF but thats why they lost... and frankly, LBJ wont be able to put up those type of numbers if he gets more help becuase he is going to have to utilize his players more which will make his numbers go down, just like Kobe's did when Pau got there but look, the numbers went down SLIGHTY but the W's went up... If LBJ wants to win a ring, guess what, he cant put up those type of numbers becuase it wont happen...
 9 years ago '09        #190
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 hood135 said:
All this thread is...is a bunch of excuses.

He's not a better all around player-He's a bowling ball going to the rack and his shot is average at best. He's not a better defender than Kobe, not a better scorer, is not as skilled as Kobe, can't shoot like Kobe, and his mid range game is sh*t compared to Kobe's.

He does much more on the court....How so? Because he gets more rebounds and more a.ssist? He gets more rebounds because he's bigger and more athletic than most guards that guard him. He averages more a.ssist because he's ball dominant and all they do is run low 1-4 all game. Again, Kobe's a better defender. Damn that he got better sh*t.

He's more valuable to the league because the media made him so. Not because he's the best. He has contagious personality and he's a freak of nature. Still doesn't make him better. And lets be real, before we even knew who LeBron James was, Kobe was the next Mike when it came to the face of the NBA. This is when he was with Shaq. r*pe charge k!lled that. If that didn't go down, GAME OVER.

His abilities are limitless...The n*gga can't shoot and doesn't have an inside game. What happens when he can't muscle and out jump people anymore? Kobe's abilities are limitless. LeBron has admitted to stealing moves from Kobe, along with a lot of other players. The crab dribble is not a move...It's a football play.

So Kobe doesn't score at will? How many times does this guy need to prove he's the best scorer period?

So Kobe doesn't have amazing court vision? Especially when it matters.

So Kobe isn't an amazing scorer? Yes he is. He's the MOST AMAZING SCORER arguably ever.

What's amazing about his ball handling? The fact that he can get to the rack? So Kobe can't get to the rack at will?

LeBron plays the 4 like Rashad Lewis plays the 4...They don't. What post move have you seen this dude do? And bringing the ball up the court doesn't make you a 1.

LeBron plays full speed 40 minutes because he doesn't know how to slow the game down. His weaknesses in the half court are exposed every time the ball slows down. Kobe is good enough to turn it on and turn it off. Score when his team needs him to not just because he can. He can get his team involved and not be aggressive offensively the whole game then turn it on at the end, when it counts, and get the win.

Kobe pulled a b*tch move in that Suns series a few years back. Ever since then, he's been the ultimate competitor. And before then he was the ultimate competitor. MJ got mad at his teammates. To the point they threatened to end his career.


Kobe is a better game finisher.
Kobe is a better scorer.
Kobe is more clutch.
Kobe is a proven winner.
Kobe is more skilled.
Kobe is a better leader.
Kobe is tougher.
Kobe is more experienced.
Kobe has a better knowledge of the game.
Kobe has rings.
Kobe has a finals MVP.
Kobe has a regular season MVP.
Kobe played with a fu*ked up shoulder.
Kobe played with one hand.
Kobe played with a broke pinkie.

The list goes on...This young n*gga LeBron ain't weathered enough to go at the crown.
I dont even know how you can reply to this using a valid/good point to counter... lol
 07-27-2009, 09:32 PM         #191
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 hbk83 said:
thats a good point and one i was trying to make, its MOE WILLIAMS, now imagine if its a prime shaq, or pau gasol?? thats basically a 70 win season, and lebron made it to the finals with a team on his back, kobe couldnt get out the first round,
moe williams made a good season impact now only if he played like that in the orlando series
lebron numbers in the series and losing as absolutly nothing to do with lebron its his team lookat these stats for god's sake
49-8-6
35-5-4
41-9-7
44-7-12
37-12-14
25-7-7

All while shooting close to or over 50%
these are modern day magic and bird numbers..
there is no possible way you can blame this man for losing but you can damn sure blame his team and wack a.ss coach, thats why he wants to leave. this is not size this is pure ability, court vision, etc... the n*gga has jordan athleticism, with magics court vision, and a fu*king bill laimbeer jumpshot lol he is beyond what anyone in the nba is he just needs help, he cant play 5 against 1 or 5 against 2, it just not possible
Ur skipping many variables.
1) The Eastern Conference is weaker than the Western Conference overall.
2) Aren't most of Lebron's shots taken from within the box. That's like raving that Dwight Howard shoots over 50% when 99% of his shots are from within 5 feet of the rim.
3) No one is blaming Lebron for losing, the fact is he hasn't won, but he doesn't get cool points for trying, nobody does.

Wilt Chamberlain k!lls Bill Russell statistically. I mean it's not even close. But you wanna why Russell is considered a better player, it's because he has 9 more rings than Wilt had. Lebron doesn't have any, no comparison. It's why Duncan is considered a better PF than Malone, because he has rings and Malone doesn't. Rings don't make you a better player than the other guy, but if your talent is even, rings will always break the stalemate.
 9 years ago '04        #192
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 hbk83 said:
thats a good point and one i was trying to make, its MOE WILLIAMS, now imagine if its a prime shaq, or pau gasol?? thats basically a 70 win season, and lebron made it to the finals with a team on his back, kobe couldnt get out the first round,
moe williams made a good season impact now only if he played like that in the orlando series
lebron numbers in the series and losing as absolutly nothing to do with lebron its his team lookat these stats for god's sake
49-8-6
35-5-4
41-9-7
44-7-12
37-12-14
25-7-7

All while shooting close to or over 50%
these are modern day magic and bird numbers..
there is no possible way you can blame this man for losing but you can damn sure blame his team and wack a.ss coach, thats why he wants to leave. this is not size this is pure ability, court vision, etc... the n*gga has jordan athleticism, with magics court vision, and a fu*king bill laimbeer jumpshot lol he is beyond what anyone in the nba is he just needs help, he cant play 5 against 1 or 5 against 2, it just not possible
He phased out his entire team.. The Magic's entire gameplan was to allow him to do whatever he wanted and to keep everyone else out of the game, and Lebron gladly obliged to further inflate his meaningless stats.
 9 years ago '05        #193
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 str8_akademiks said:
He phased out his entire team.. The Magic's entire gameplan was to allow him to do whatever he wanted and to keep everyone else out of the game, and Lebron gladly obliged to further inflate his meaningless stats.
I agree , kinda what the celtics did to kobe in the finals, and kobe was pissed cause the rest of the team was fu*king up, no matter how good kobe played he couldnt do sh*t when his team couldnt, you seen the last game of that series, kobe was just like fu*k it i cant win with this team.... but you see this year, odom and gasol played their a.sses off, fisher and ariza was hitting big shots, lebrons team shot 30%, he can not help that
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 hood135 said:
And you've done nothing to support your stance but bring up stats.

And I'm not taking away from Bron either. He's also an amazing player but how great a player he is is all based on his potential. I've seen no evidence whatsoever that puts him ahead of Kobe on any list. For a matter of fact, I see no evidence that puts him above D. Wade. His rap sheet is longer too.

Fact is, Bron still has a lot of work to do. There's nothing wrong with that. His time is coming. Be patient.



Exactly fam....Kobe/Wade>>>bron.....
 9 years ago '09        #195
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All this bullsh*t people writing in here day in and day out and all the "IF HE HAD" comments and excuses are really getting old. Regardless of what any fu*king lebron stan says it's still Kobe>>bron. fu*k all of your excuses and your "WHAT IF'S"..You muthafu*kers are pathetic


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 9 years ago '09        #196
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 str8_akademiks said:
He phased out his entire team.. The Magic's entire gameplan was to allow him to do whatever he wanted and to keep everyone else out of the game, and Lebron gladly obliged to further inflate his meaningless stats.



Yep Mr. "CHECK MY STATS" sure did


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 9 years ago '07        #197
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 Maroon_Tiger said:
because LEBRON HAS TO BRING IT all on the court to make his team successful.. kobe merely needs to shoot well and make a fancy pass or two in the crunchtime
^^^^^^^^^
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 Knowledgeable said:
Yep Mr. "CHECK MY STATS" sure did
yea thats why I posted this

I agree , kinda what the celtics did to kobe in the finals, and kobe was pissed cause the rest of the team was fu*king up, no matter how good kobe played he couldnt do sh*t when his team couldnt, you seen the last game of that series, kobe was just like fu*k it i cant win with this team.... but you see this year, odom and gasol played their a.sses off, fisher and ariza was hitting big shots, lebrons team shot 30%, he can not help that
The only difference Lakers have gasol and bynum to help cancel out what d12 did, noone absolutley nobody could stop d howard on cleveland lebron cant guard the magic starting 5.

You seen what the celtics did to kobe, shut down every other player on that team and what happened, 4-2 victory, and when kobe try to make miracles happen they zeroed in on him cause he no longer trusted his teamates and they got they a.ss whooped,
 9 years ago '05        #199
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all i am saying is I believe Lebron is better, and giving my reasons, I know kobe accomplishments, but TODAY lebron is a better player, not two years ago not three years ago, TODAY, alot of people even believed kobe modeled his game to be more like lebrons, he was trying to score 40 50 points a night, but seen what lebron was doing was working on a bum a.ss team, so kobe game changed completely, all of a sudden kobe is passing up open shots, crashing offensive boards, he started getting his team more involved. remember kobe was known as a selfish player until about 3 years ago
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 Maroon_Tiger said:
kobe is only good on championship calibur teams... notice how kobe is either nba finals or 1st round exit material..

LEBRON CONSTANTLY PUTS HIS BUM a.ss team in the ECFs... and he has no lamar odoms, he has no ron artests, he has no shaquile oneals, he has no rick roxes, he has no derek fishers, glen rice, karl malone, SO GTFOH.. nobody that lebron has played with, will even be talked about 10 years from now

yall dont understand that lebron's supporting cast aint built to go to war...it aint built to win a championship, its build to let lebron get highlight reels...

if lebron played like kobe did in the playoffs, he'd lose...

if kobe played on cleveland since 2001, he would've already forced a trade by now...


yall haters can discredit lebron, ignore his development path, deny that his arsenal is more robust that kobe's... i think the only leg yall are standing on is that lebron hasnt been on a dominant team yet...

when lebron gets 4 rings under his belt, i think thats when yall will see things clearly... its wack that yall need rings to appreciate players, but it is what it is
LeBron has 0. So until then THERE IS NO EXCUSE IN THE WORLD TO MAKE KNOWLEDGEABLE FANS THINK OTHERWISE. Again, all I hear is excuses. All you just told me was that LeBron is a great player who gets his teams to the Eastern Conferences finals and loses.

Nobody is discredited LeBron or his talent. He's just no Kobe Bryant...yet if it makes you feel better. You're discrediting Kobe because he played on good teams. What the fu*k is that? Who the fu*k was Pippen when Jordan won his first 3 rings. Matter of fact, name the other great players on that team....I'll wait. Jordan never gave excuses. He just fu*kin won. He made the players around him better. The same thing that Kobe has done with the Lakers over the past 5 years. He started from scratch, now he's a champion...again. I can't say the same for LeBron. Who has he made better???...I'll wait.

You're basing you're whole argument off of big a.ss IFs. I base my whole opinion off of facts, reality. People don't give Kobe credit for the 3 rings him and Shaq won. He wasn't a factor. The n*gga averaged 27, 6, and 6 over the course of those 3 championships. He hit big shots, he made big plays, he shined in the finals each year. Can't say the same for Bron. He's only been on that stage once and got swept.

You say we're basing our arguments off of Kobe being on good teams and LeBron being on bad ones. Well ommiit teams altogether and lets base it off of TALENT ONLY. What does Bron do better than Kobe besides Jump Higher, and Run Faster?....I'll wait. How is his arsenal better than Kobe's?

Like I said, these excuse have to stop. Your opinion doesn't mean anything until the boy win. It ain't Laker fans fault that Cleveland's front office sucks. Write a letter and cry to them. We ain't hearing it.

THE ONLY IF THAT I WILL USE IS THIS....."What IF Shaq and Kobe would have stayed together 5 more years? Kobe was already the best guard in the league when Shaq was there and it was more than evident that he was becoming the man. With it being the Kobe show for 5 more years in LA, they would have at least won 5 more rings. That would have given Kobe 8 total. IF this would have happened....Kobe would have been known as the best player to ever play the game HANDS DOWN. But it DIDN'T happen so Jordan stans shut us down because Kobe hasn't reached that yet...What makes Bron situation different from Kobe's?
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