Why are MJ fans okay with the thought of Lebron being "as good" as him but not Kobe?

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 8 years ago '06        #141
ginobili 20|m 39 heat pts39
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 wheezyfbaby said:
Ok, I couldn't really tell the tone or direction of the message. What about the 99' Spurs?
u testing my memory to much, booze will k!ll u you right though, didn't have a that legitimate 2 guard.... having two hall of famers can equal an exception to things though.... elliot and ellie come to mind..... both are 3's though.... I think kerr and daniels were on this team, could be wrong..... that team still had an inside out/ game..... good point, but still most teams that win have that beast guard/inside pressence game


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 8 years ago '05        #142
Bigrel 7 heat pts
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 A.O.™ said:
Why are you laughing?
And why are you bringing up Horace Grant?

Your going to compare that 3peat team to..

Hmmm..

Shaq (most dominant center of this era)
Robert Horry
Rick Fox
Derek Fisher
Kobe Bryant (according to you kobe stans, THE GOD)

to

Michael Jordan (God)
Scottie Pippen (the Original Pippen)
Horace Grant avg. 16 pts 9boards
BJ Armstrong avg like 8 pts (not 100 percent)
Bill Cartwright - this dude only got the ball the 1st 2 minutes of every quarter
Will Perdue - need i say more? they didnt call him Will PerDUDU for no reason
John Paxson - Will be remembered for hitting 1 shot in the finals
Scott Williams - thought he could actually play and got shipped all around the league reaching a career high of like 4 points...lol
Cliff Livingston (rarely played and if he did all he did was set picks for MJ and hand him the ball)

and then compare that same Bulls team to

Pau Gasol (Once the Franchise of the Grizzlies)
Andrew Bynum
Trevor Ariza (Donnie Walsh almost made this dude the Franchise of the Knicks...lol)
Kobe Bryant (The best 2G of this era)
Derek Fisher
Lamar Odom (Once the Franchise of the Clippers)


Your f***ing ridiculous.
 ginobili 20 said:
besides MJ and the pistons that year.... nobody has won a ship without a respectable post player and a beast shooting guard.... till u go back to bird and the celtics and the early 90's pistons

duncan/gin 3 rings
kobe/shaq 3 rings
wade/shaq 1 ring
kobe/gasol 1 ring


I agree jordan hit his prime at the right time.... take in mind a phoenix team with a crack head (dumas) and an overweight center in oliver miller took chicago to a game 6..... and won 2 outta 3 in the chi..:
Riiiightttttt I guess Barkley, kj, Dan Majerle, and Danny ainge ain't have something to do wit dat. Get the f*** outta here n*gga tryin to jusify ya argument with bums.
 8 years ago '04        #143
wheezyfbaby 9 heat pts
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 ginobili 20 said:
u testing my memory to much, booze will k!ll u you right though, didn't have a that legitimate 2 guard.... having two hall of famers can equal an exception to things though.... elliot and ellie come to mind..... both are 3's though.... I think kerr and daniels were on this team, could be wrong..... that team still had an inside out/ game..... good point, but still most teams that win have that beast guard/inside pressence game
LOL, yeah kerr and daniels were on the team.
 07-23-2009, 05:35 PM         #144
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 Armen87 said:
this is what i'm saying, a "sidekick" doesn't average numbers like this. Shaq was the main leader yea, but he wasn't that far ahead of kobe.
So Pippen wasn't a sidekick either?

What the f*** is wrong with being the Sidekick?
 07-23-2009, 05:43 PM         #145
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 Armen87 said:
kobe had 3 rings by 24. And no don't say he was riding shaq, kobe was averaging just about the same ammount of points as shaq.
 Armen87 said:
Where did i Mention that? illiterate f*ck.
I'll leave it at that!
 8 years ago '06        #146
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 Bigrel said:
Riiiightttttt I guess Barkley, kj, Dan Majerle, and Danny ainge ain't have something to do wit dat. Get the f*** outta here n*gga tryin to jusify ya argument with bums.
barkley and kj are 2 of the best to ever do it....... u missed the point obviously..... u can't have obvious kinks in the armor going against powerhouse franchises...... dumas was outta the league like 3 years after this... woulda been sonner but john lucas was on his f*** the 76ers future, let me save a crack head dido miller cause of weight issues

with cebbalos hurt, and dumas starting, they had no bench besides west, ainge, and frank johnson try again
 8 years ago '07        #147
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 str8_akademiks said:
I'm not trying hard at all..
It's easy to discredit a guy with flawed logic. And who's putting Kobe over Jordan? I'll paypal you $500 right now if you find me saying Kobe is better than MJ or will be better.
Plus, Michael played 15 years, not 13.

I mean really, if Magic didn't have HIV, MJ would have 1 or 2 less titles .. The Lakers made it to the finals with Magic clearly not 100% and quite possibly the s***tiest and most overrated coach the NBA has seen in Mike Dunleavy.
I know how many seasons MJ played but he accomplished everything in his 13 seasons with the bulls.....with 2 yrs off. I know your on this site all the time so what the hell do u mean who's putting kobe over MJ. I hope that wasnt a serious question. But whatever, it is what it is. Kobe is gonna have his fans Mj is gonna have his, but IMO Kobe is just a copy of jordan and didnt change the game like he did. Their talents are so similiar but Jordan has accomplishments that i just dont see kobe getting. Im not even gonna go into details about How jordan meant so much more to the nba than just his b-ball skills because its pointless on here. So whatever
 8 years ago '09        #148
TheG1ftedOne 4 heat pts OP
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s*** i remember Shaq saying many times that he's glad he has the best player in the world on his team (Kobe). This was during their title runs in the early 00's too, so people need to stop with the sidekick talk. Jordan is the best though, no question but n*ggas act like he is untouchable. I think the people that think Jordan is untouchable and have this predetermined thought that nobody can catch Jordan are the same age people who think Kobe is the GOAT Becuase people who witnessed Jordan knows that he is not untouchable.
 8 years ago '04        #149
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 ChiCity Fingaz said:
What a ra-tard.

Kobe lost any hope of being considered better than MJ, when his team got sonned by the Celtics in the finals and blown out by 40 something in the elimination game.

Bottom line is Kobe has 1 ring, being the best player on the team. He wasn't indespensible, but Shaq's got the Finals MVP to prove what's what.
LOL. Is this hotel pager friendly?
 8 years ago '09        #150
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 The Bully said:
believing anything shaq says = FAIL
a.ssuming I believe anything Shaq says= FAIL ... Thats up to the other people if they believe him, I just saying what Shaq said
 07-23-2009, 09:45 PM         #151
DHARMA 
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Ppl saying Lebron is UNSTOPPABLE...

Kobe Bryant has hit 14 game-winning shots since the start of the 2003–04 season...

I will include ALL of LEBRON's game winner for his career in this post...


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Kobe...

12/27/99: Lakers 108 – Mavericks 106
02/13/00: Lakers 113 – Nets 110
05/10/00: Lakers 97 – Phoenix 96
06/14/00: Lakers 120 – Pacers 118
11/16/00: Lakers 112 – Kings 110
02/07/01: Lakers 85 – Phoenix 83
01/02/02: Lakers 87 – Nuggets 86
02/22/02: Lakers 96 – Hornets 94
03/24/02: Lakers 97 – Kings 96
05/12/02: Lakers 87 – Spurs 85
12/06/02: Lakers 105 – Mavericks 103
04/04/03: Lakers 102 – Grizzlies 101
04/06/03: Lakers 115 – Suns 113
02/17/04: Lakers 89 – Blazers 86
02/19/04: Lakers 101 – Nuggets 99
03/03/04: Lakers 95 – Rockets 93
03/21/04: Lakers 104 – Bucks 103
04/14/04: Lakers 105 – Blazers 104
03/13/05: Lakers 117 – Bobcats 116
11/02/05: Lakers 99 – Nuggets 97
12/04/05: Lakers 99 – Bobcats 98
01/07/06: Lakers 112 – Clippers 109
01/12/06: Lakers 99 – Cavaliers 98
04/30/06: Lakers 99 – Suns 98
01/14/08: Lakers 123 - Sonics 121
01/09/09: Lakers 121 - Pacers 119
 8 years ago '08        #152
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Kobe = more talented, Jordan = more successful, Lebron = neither & never will be. As to who is better between Kobe/Jordan will be forever debated.
 07-23-2009, 11:21 PM         #153
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 Armen87 said:
hmm, once again, Where did I mention kobe was leading shaq? Either you're completely retarded or u have bad eye vision.
Your f***ing beyond dumb dog... He wasnt riding Shaq... Then what was he doing? Playing with Shaq right? Then he was Shaq's sidekick. No? Then what was he? Its f***ing crystal clear that they were teammates. But if he wasnt Riding shaq? and he wasnt Shaq sidekick? what was he?

Cause Rick Fox was Shaq teammate nobody calls him a sidekick, Robert Horry was Shaq teammate nobody calls him a sidekick, Derek Fisher was a teammate nobody calls him a sidekick.. YOU KNOW WHY? Because they were not the 2nd best player on the team.

Pippen was Jordan sidekick (2nd Best player on that bulls team)
Penny was Shaq sidekick (2nd best player on that Orlando team)
 8 years ago '05        #154
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 P. Dedos said:
i never see bron fans saying hes better than jordan




and if they did that they would get sonned just like chokie cryant stans

Worse attempt at an insult EVER... CHokie Crayant? thats just lame...
 8 years ago '07        #155
Truth B T0ld 3 heat pts
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 DHARMA said:
Ppl saying Lebron is UNSTOPPABLE...

Kobe Bryant has hit 14 game-winning shots since the start of the 2003–04 season...

I will include ALL of LEBRON's game winner for his career in this post...





Kobe...

12/27/99: Lakers 108 – Mavericks 106
02/13/00: Lakers 113 – Nets 110
05/10/00: Lakers 97 – Phoenix 96
06/14/00: Lakers 120 – Pacers 118
11/16/00: Lakers 112 – Kings 110
02/07/01: Lakers 85 – Phoenix 83
01/02/02: Lakers 87 – Nuggets 86
02/22/02: Lakers 96 – Hornets 94
03/24/02: Lakers 97 – Kings 96
05/12/02: Lakers 87 – Spurs 85
12/06/02: Lakers 105 – Mavericks 103
04/04/03: Lakers 102 – Grizzlies 101
04/06/03: Lakers 115 – Suns 113
02/17/04: Lakers 89 – Blazers 86
02/19/04: Lakers 101 – Nuggets 99
03/03/04: Lakers 95 – Rockets 93
03/21/04: Lakers 104 – Bucks 103
04/14/04: Lakers 105 – Blazers 104
03/13/05: Lakers 117 – Bobcats 116
11/02/05: Lakers 99 – Nuggets 97
12/04/05: Lakers 99 – Bobcats 98
01/07/06: Lakers 112 – Clippers 109
01/12/06: Lakers 99 – Cavaliers 98
04/30/06: Lakers 99 – Suns 98
01/14/08: Lakers 123 - Sonics 121
01/09/09: Lakers 121 - Pacers 119
what does this proove?

i guess robert horry >>> lebron too

btw u forgot the one against the wizards in 05 too
 8 years ago '09        #156
stxbreed 
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 ElMarroAfamado said:
probably because all lebron james does is dunk
and michael jordan is always closely a.ssociated with dunking

blame kobe for having a mid range and an offensive game besides dunking
yea blame kobe for introducin da fade away to da league and for bringin beauty to da buzzer beater. and blame kobe for introducin hangin in da air long enough to draw a foul to da nba. yea blame kobe. all jordan did wuz dunk

did yall read wut dis man posted???
 8 years ago '04        #157
A.G 27 heat pts27
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 stxbreed said:
yea blame kobe for introducin da fade away to da league and for bringin beauty to da buzzer beater. and blame kobe for introducin hangin in da air long enough to draw a foul to da nba. yea blame kobe. all jordan did wuz dunk

did yall read wut dis man posted???
You must have no basketball knowledge whatsoever if you think MJ introduced the fade away and hang time to the NBA.
 8 years ago '09        #158
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 str8_akademiks said:
People can create whatever reality they want for themselves but Pippen set up the triangle offense, was the primary playmaker and the defensive stopper on those Bulls teams.

But I guess since MJ scored more.... nevermind.


Feelings will be caught.
dis n*gga jus said pippen wuz da PRIMARY PLAYMAKER for da bulls
 8 years ago '06        #159
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There's a difference between introducing the fadeaway/hangtime, and glorifying it....Another s*** show thread.
 8 years ago '09        #160
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 Truth B T0ld said:
what does this proove?

i guess robert horry >>> lebron too

btw u forgot the one against the wizards in 05 too
Why do people say this...

Its like, if one player has someone beat in a category then they say >>

Like when somebody mentions MJ's 6 rings, they say "oh if its all about championships, then what about Bill Russel he has 11" or "If its about clutch, then Robert Horry is better, he is the most clutch" or "Kareem has the most points ever, so does that make him the best scorer?"

That s*** doesnt make sense to me... Its not who has who beat in what category, its who has the best collection and credentials of everything that needs to be mentioned in those categories
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