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 9 years ago '06        #21
Hit Em' Up 61 heat pts61
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 yungb said:
Hmm.. Note some classic JDM examples some quick V6's:

Honda NSX
Honda S2000
Nissan 300ZX
Nissan 350Z
Nissan Skyline
Toyota Supra

etc. etc.

As a general rule, it's not about the displacement or the amount of liters of the engine, but what it was made or tuned for.
But it is about displacement. I would agree with what the car was designed for part however.

Bugatti Veyron: 8.0L, W-16
Maclaren F1 : 6.0L, V-12
Ferrari Enzo : 6.0L V12
Maclaren SLR :5.4 : V-8

Chevy LS Engine Lines:
LS1 5.7L (1997-2004): 305–350 hp 335–375 lb·ft torque
LS6 5.7L (2001-2005): 405 hp and 400 lb·ft torque
LS2 6.0L (2005-2007): 412 hp and 412 ft·lb
LS3 6.2L (2008- pres): 436 hp and 428 ft·lb
LS7 7.0L (2006- pres): 505 hp and 470 lb·ft

Those number as all naturally aspired as well. No turbos, no s/c, no nos, just bare stock.

Now to nutty...think of this. If you can turn a stock 2 litre (naturally makin under 200 HP) into 1400, imagine what you can do to a 7.0 litre v8 engine that naturally makes 500HP.


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 05-27-2009, 10:33 AM         #22
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 Hit Em' Up said:
Well your last statement i basically answered in my last post so ill leave that alone. But just remember that the 4.6L v8 in the fourth gen was only makin 215 HP. And a.ssuming the internals and block are as strong it still has more potential then the 2005 v6.

Now you did answer his question. But you didn't thoroughly explain it. Im sure he knew a car such as a honda prelude with 4 cylinders can beat a v8 pickup truck. I think he was askin does 6 cylinders have the same potential as 8. And the answer is no. Due to various factors (that weigh in favor the smaller engine) you will have faster and more powerful engines with less displacement.
Not trying to be a d**k but you keep answering a ? that wasn't asked. he didnt ask whats it going to take to get a v6 to beat a v8, he simply asked if it was possible and we both agree the answer is yes. Not is it worth it? Not should I try to, Not what should it cost me? Can it be done?
 9 years ago '06        #23
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 Nutty2003 said:
Not trying to be a d**k but you keep answering a ? that wasn't asked. he didnt ask whats it going to take to get a v6 to beat a v8, he simply asked if it was possible and we both agree the answer is yes. Not is it worth it? Not should I try to, Not what should it cost me? Can it be done?
Well i initially replied cause u posted this 2.0L drag car heavily moded with thousands of dollars worth of aftermarket parks. Its not typical.

I was trying to make the poster understand kinda like a "yea, but there more to it " so hes doesnt get a big misconception. If the poster didn't know that a motorcycle can accelerate faster then a lot of fast/expensive cars then he has a long way to go...thats the most basic example of engine size/vehicle size vs speed and i was hoping he understood that at least. Which is why me and even other posters answered it saying its conditional. Didnt think the question was that basic


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 9 years ago '04        #24
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damn i was writing a post last night but i guess i passed out without posting it....

 yungb said:
Hmm.. Note some classic JDM examples some quick V6's:

Honda NSX
Honda S2000
Nissan 300ZX
Nissan 350Z
Nissan Skyline
Toyota Supra

etc. etc.

As a general rule, it's not about the displacement or the amount of liters of the engine, but what it was made or tuned for.

as a general rule it is about displacement AND what it is tuned for

a popular quote from a car forum stuck with since before i could legally drive

the only replacement for displacement is technology
basically meaning boost or something else like that eco shiit some dude said

it isnt a fair comparison to compare a boosted motor to a non boosted motor, so when someone says their turbo V6 is faster than a V8 its all relative. give the V8 some boost and watch it make ur shiit look like a prius. and with the proper tuning a V8 without boost can eat a boosted V6.

really it all depends on power to weight ratios then it comes down to driver. my non boosted 4 cylinder destroys over 90% of cars because my shiit weighs less than 2300lbs :greetings10:

and in general I6's are better than V6's. The Skyline and Supra are both I6 not V6

Inlines have better balance and easier to tune

and the S2000 never had a V6 or any 6 cylinder

instead the S2000 is powered by the most powerful per liter 4 cylinder in a production car which was formerly held by BMW's S14 motor in the E30 M3. this is based on HP and not combined with torq. the BMW S14 produces more torq than the S2k.

so you were 2 out of 5 correct on your list of "JDM V6's" and i'm not a JDM guy. i didnt include the 300zx because it is boosted.
 9 years ago '04        #25
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and people need to let go off the 1400hp shiitbox

thats not a streetable motor and will need to be rebuilt more often than you change your oil

its not even a track motor, it wouldnt last one lap, and it wouldnt be fun to drive

give the LS1 V8 mild boost and it will make over 700hp to the wheels. mild boost = 7psi turbo. and to be exact it made 722 wheel hp. to the crank thats over 800-850hp

^^^^ this is an actual car i remember seeing on a forum. proper tuning + proper internals
 9 years ago '07        #26
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yeah after that run it probably was able to move on its own
 9 years ago '04        #27
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it really all depends on the weight of the car and power of the engine.
 9 years ago '05        #28
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I thought the threadstarter was talking about stock v6 vs. v8 not a racecar
 05-27-2009, 08:34 PM         #29
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 franchise said:
and in general I6's are better than V6's. The Skyline and Supra are both I6 not V6

Inlines have better balance and easier to tune

and the S2000 never had a V6 or any 6 cylinder

instead the S2000 is powered by the most powerful per liter 4 cylinder in a production car which was formerly held by BMW's S14 motor in the E30 M3. this is based on HP and not combined with torq. the BMW S14 produces more torq than the S2k.

so you were 2 out of 5 correct on your list of "JDM V6's" and i'm not a JDM guy. i didnt include the 300zx because it is boosted.
Damn, I feel like a noob. I really wasn't thinking with that post, or at least with that list.
 05-27-2009, 09:15 PM         #30
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 Hit Em' Up said:
But it is about displacement. I would agree with what the car was designed for part however.

Bugatti Veyron: 8.0L, W-16
Maclaren F1 : 6.0L, V-12
Ferrari Enzo : 6.0L V12
Maclaren SLR :5.4 : V-8

Chevy LS Engine Lines:
LS1 5.7L (1997-2004): 305–350 hp 335–375 lb·ft torque
LS6 5.7L (2001-2005): 405 hp and 400 lb·ft torque
LS2 6.0L (2005-2007): 412 hp and 412 ft·lb
LS3 6.2L (2008- pres): 436 hp and 428 ft·lb
LS7 7.0L (2006- pres): 505 hp and 470 lb·ft

Those number as all naturally aspired as well. No turbos, no s/c, no nas, just bare stock.

Now to nutty...think of this. If you can turn a stock 2 litre (naturally makin under 200 HP) into 1400, imagine what you can do to a 7.0 litre v8 engine that naturally makes 500HP.
Bugatti = 4 turbos

SLR = supercharger
 9 years ago '06        #31
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 Critical said:
Bugatti = 4 turbos

SLR = supercharger
I was talking about the Chevy LS lines that I listed.
 9 years ago '04        #32
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 Hit Em' Up said:
Those number as all naturally aspired as well. No turbos, no s/c, no nas, just bare stock.

Illmatic was not in the LS motor designs
 9 years ago '07        #33
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 franchise said:
illmatic was not in the ls motor designs
hahaha
 9 years ago '06        #34
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 Adamsville4real said:
I thought the threadstarter was talking about stock v6 vs. v8 not a racecar
i am. stock vs stock
 9 years ago '04        #35
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^^^ then look up the specs of whatever cars u want to compare. power vs weight

check hp/torq and curb weight


the other factor is gearing and driver. but the main factor is power to weight ratio.


also there are sites with quarter mile times, u can search those to get an idea


remember tho until u actually race this will basically give u a guestimate idea of how fast

if the car has more miles, it could have less compression. some motors, especially american motors are different even tho they are the same, some are beasts and some are duds.

i had a friend with a bone stock Z28 automatic that ran 13.1 1/4 mile. most of these exact same cars run about 13.6 stock. between 13.5 and 13.7 stock is what most tests show

half a second in a 1/4 is a big fucckin difference
 9 years ago '04        #36
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there are too many different motors for different applications to just say a V6 vs a V8

for example trucks engines are built differently even tho they share many of the same parts and look the exact same. ya its both a 350 V8 but its different bore and stroke so it makes different power with a different redline.
 9 years ago '06        #37
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 franchise said:
Illmatic was not in the LS motor designs
lol you picked up on that one fast
 9 years ago '04        #38
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^^^ i was thinkin about leavin it alone, but after that V6 shiit i said fucck it
 05-29-2009, 01:00 PM         #39
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 Hit Em' Up said:
What car do u drive...and what exactly did u do to it to make it "dip on nearly anything". And please dont tell me its a honda.
Whats wrong with a Honda?
 05-29-2009, 03:24 PM         #40
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 Hit Em' Up said:
I was talking about the Chevy LS lines that I listed.
Right.

According to your post here:

 Hit Em' Up said:

But it is about displacement. I would agree with what the car was designed for part however.

Bugatti Veyron: 8.0L, W-16
Maclaren F1 : 6.0L, V-12
Ferrari Enzo : 6.0L V12
Maclaren SLR :5.4 : V-8

Chevy LS Engine Lines:
LS1 5.7L (1997-2004): 305–350 hp 335–375 lb·ft torque
LS6 5.7L (2001-2005): 405 hp and 400 lb·ft torque
LS2 6.0L (2005-2007): 412 hp and 412 ft·lb
LS3 6.2L (2008- pres): 436 hp and 428 ft·lb
LS7 7.0L (2006- pres): 505 hp and 470 lb·ft

Those number as all naturally aspired as well. No turbos, no s/c, no nas, just bare stock.

Now to nutty...think of this. If you can turn a stock 2 litre (naturally makin under 200 HP) into 1400, imagine what you can do to a 7.0 litre v8 engine that naturally makes 500HP.

You started out talking about displacements and you sited the euros then the LS lines. Perhaps you should make it more clear since it looks like you're talking about all of them.
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