"I do think LeBron has surpassed Kobe as a player" - Jerry West

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 9 years ago '07        #201
Truth B T0ld 3 heat pts
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 GrownmanJ said:
Kobe has no weaknesses.

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:laughing9::laughing9::laughing9:
 9 years ago '08        #202
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 Truth B T0ld said:
:laughing9::laughing9::laughing9:
Care to elaborate?
 9 years ago '08        #203
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 GrownmanJ said:
Care to elaborate?


Most pussies use alot of smilies when they get real emotionl and dont have s**t to talk about..
 9 years ago '07        #204
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 illmatic_kid said:
Most pussies use alot of smilies when they get real emotionl and dont have s**t to talk about..


daaaaaaaaaaaaaamn, get em
 9 years ago '06        #205
j-gip 4 heat pts
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 GrownmanJ said:
Kobe has no weaknesses.

LeBron has plenty.
Go back and watch the 04 and 08 finals and then come back and apologize for that silly statement.
 9 years ago '08        #206
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 j-gip said:
Go back and watch the 04 and 08 finals and then come back and apologize for that silly statement.
U mean when he was the only one doing s**t while his teams failed to show up?
 9 years ago '06        #207
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 TigerUppercut said:
U mean when he was the only one doing s**t while his teams failed to show up?
lol So Shaq didn't show up in the 04 finals? If I remember correctly Kobe was the one who shot 38% and vs Boston he shot only 40%. Don't act like it was all on his team, he didn't do s**t in these series.
 9 years ago '08        #208
GrownmanJ 21 heat pts21
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 j-gip said:
Go back and watch the 04 and 08 finals and then come back and apologize for that silly statement.
Are you kiddin me? Dont try and justify by bringing up the past. Also, LeBron doesnt even get double teamed in late game situations. Its only help defense when he drives to the paint. As soon as Kobe was crossing half-court, Boston triple teamed him and made sure the ball was not in his hands. Imagine if Pietrus (He straight to me though and got good D) was checking Kobe like that 1 on 1 in late game situations. He would get torched. LeBron does not have a jumpshot so thats why they gave him it all game and he phailed.

Thats one of his weeknesses. Another one is freethrows. How you let Dwight Howard outshine you in critical points of the game from the stripe? Another one is postgame. He should dominate there too because of size and quickness, yet he lacks the fundamentals to finish from the post. Shall I go on...?
 9 years ago '06        #209
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 GrownmanJ said:
Are you kiddin me? Dont try and justify by bringing up the past. Also, LeBron doesnt even get double teamed in late game situations. Its only help defense when he drives to the paint. As soon as Kobe was crossing half-court, Boston triple teamed him and made sure the ball was not in his hands. Imagine if Pietrus (He straight to me though and got good D) was checking Kobe like that 1 on 1 in late game situations. He would get torched. LeBron does not have a jumpshot so thats why they gave him it all game and he phailed.

Thats one of his weeknesses. Another one is freethrows. How you let Dwight Howard outshine you in critical points of the game from the stripe? Another one is postgame. He should dominate there too because of size and quickness, yet he lacks the fundamentals to finish from the post. Shall I go on...?
I never said Lebron didn't have weak points in his game. All I said is Kobe has weaknesses that were exposed in those final series. Quick acting like 2008 was long ago, Kobe is still the exact same player just a year older...
 9 years ago '08        #210
GrownmanJ 21 heat pts21
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 j-gip said:
I never said Lebron didn't have weak points in his game. All I said is Kobe has weaknesses that were exposed in those final series. Quick acting like 2008 was long ago, Kobe is still the exact same player just a year older...
Yet you still havent stated any of his weaknesses...
 9 years ago '08        #211
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 j-gip said:
lol So Shaq didn't show up in the 04 finals? If I remember correctly Kobe was the one who shot 38% and vs Boston he shot only 40%. Don't act like it was all on his team, he didn't do s**t in these series.
The Lakers only won 1 game in the 04 finals, I know somebody single handedly won that game for them, but for the life of me I can't remember who. Would u happen to know?
 9 years ago '06        #212
j-gip 4 heat pts
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 GrownmanJ said:
Yet you still havent stated any of his weaknesses...
1.) Kobe has a habit of taking bad shots. He chucks up shots that aren't necessary and sometimes hurt his team (04 and 08 finals). He settles for bad shots instead of driving to the basket.

2.) He sometimes doesn't even look to get teammates involved when he has a bad shooting night. He needs to focus more on being consistent in passing and seeking to set his teammates up for easy baskets.

3.) Questionable leadership in championship series when things aren't going as planned. During that Boston series he was horrible.

He has the least amount of weaknesses in the NBA, but if he falls apart in the finals again you really have to re-access his leadership abilities.
 9 years ago '06        #213
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 TigerUppercut said:
The Lakers only won 1 game in the 04 finals, I know somebody single handedly won that game for them, but for the life of me I can't remember who. Would u happen to know?
Was it the same guy that was a big reason why they lost that series?
 9 years ago '08        #214
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 j-gip said:
Was it the same guy that was a big reason why they lost that series?
No it wasn't Garry Payton, come on I'll give u one more chance. Here's a hint, he's the only player who gets quadruple teamed...
 9 years ago '05        #215
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 illmatic_kid said:
Yea my dude I know..I was sitting there watching that s**t like:jawdrop:..This n*gga just lost the game and missed alot of clutch freethrows and there still sucking him and melo off..Meanwhile kobe just took the lakers on his back and dropped 41 and went like 10-12 from the line and they totally ignored it..The nba is a such joke to me and that's why I love college baskball so much, because they aren't as biased......
Its a youth movement the media is trying to phase Kobe out. Its disgusting
 9 years ago '06        #216
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 TigerUppercut said:
No it wasn't Garry Payton, come on I'll give u one more chance. Here's a hint, he's the only player who gets quadruple teamed...
Yeah I'm sure he was getting triple teamed with Shaq on his team lol I thought GP and Kobe were the biggest reasons they lost that series. Chauncey was raping Payton and Kobe couldn't swallow his pride enough to pass the ball to Shaq when he was struggling. You forgot how Tashaun Prince was playing good defense on your idol...
 9 years ago '08        #217
GrownmanJ 21 heat pts21
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 j-gip said:
1.) Kobe has a habit of taking bad shots. He chucks up shots that aren't necessary and sometimes hurt his team (04 and 08 finals). He settles for bad shots instead of driving to the basket.

2.) He sometimes doesn't even look to get teammates involved when he has a bad shooting night. He needs to focus more on being consistent in passing and seeking to set his teammates up for easy baskets.

3.) Questionable leadership in championship series when things aren't going as planned. During that Boston series he was horrible.

He has the least amount of weaknesses in the NBA, but if he falls apart in the finals again you really have to re-access his leadership abilities.
1 is halfway correct for the simple fact he may shoot a three which is not needed and should drive. The other two are void for the simple fact, you cant lead teammates to make shots. If they cant buy a bucket, then what is Kobe supposed to do? And even though he may not be dead on, he still should be shooting the ball if he's open. Any coach will tell they're best player to continue shooting to gain some confidence. Once you get triple teamed like he did last finals, it throws off penetration for others to score, so now its in the other players hands. Cant blame that on Kobe. As long as he makes it easier for them to score, he has done his job. They just got to knock down shots...
 9 years ago '08        #218
TigerUppercut 
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 j-gip said:
Yeah I'm sure he was getting triple teamed with Shaq on his team lol I thought GP and Kobe were the biggest reasons they lost that series. Chauncey was raping Payton and Kobe couldn't swallow his pride enough to pass the ball to Shaq when he was struggling. You forgot how Tashaun Prince was playing good defense on your idol...
No dumb a.ss they were letting Shaq get all his points and focusing on smothering Kobe cuz they knew that nobody else on that team was worth a s**t. Let Shaq score 30 and make Kobe work his a.ss off for 35 while the rest of the team scores a combined 20 points and u have a great chance to beat that team. Come on, I know ur a hater but u gotta be smarter than that.
 9 years ago '06        #219
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 GrownmanJ said:
1 is halfway correct for the simple fact he may shoot a three which is not needed and should drive. The other two are void for the simple fact, you cant lead teammates to make shots. If they cant buy a bucket, then what is Kobe supposed to do? And even though he may not be dead on, he still should be shooting the ball if he's open. Any coach will tell they're best player to continue shooting to gain some confidence. Once you get triple teamed like he did last finals, it throws off penetration for others to score, so now its in the other players hands. Cant blame that on Kobe. As long as he makes it easier for them to score, he has done his job. They just got to knock down shots...
You have some good points but, you shouldn't make excuses for Kobe. If he has another bad finals(if they make it) that will be three in a row. Thats just unacceptable for a future HOF player and one of the best 2 guards ever.
 9 years ago '06        #220
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 TigerUppercut said:
No dumb a.ss they were letting Shaq get all his points and focusing on smothering Kobe cuz they knew that nobody else on that team was worth a s**t. Let Shaq score 30 and make Kobe work his a.ss off for 35 while the rest of the team scores a combined 20 points and u have a great chance to beat that team. Come on, I know ur a hater but u gotta be smarter than that.
So when are you going to stop making excuses for Kobe and just admit that he played a bad series.You can't sit here and say he was a big factor in that series. I'm not a hater, I think Kobe is the best player in the league.
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