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 9 years ago '04        #61
A.G 27 heat pts27
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 kingofthecity said:
If we can't go by numbers.. I don't know what we should go by... because Lebron's numbers are ridiculous...

Efficiency: LBJ 30.9... Kobe 24.2

Team Record: 66-16 Cle... 65-17 LA

Take Lebron off the Cavs...

Take Kobe off the Lakers...

Give me Lebron for 46 minutes of any game but Kobe for the last 2 minutes
Efficiency is an arbitrary formula with no real statistical basis. If you really pay attention to those stats and the person who made it, you would also be believing that Dirk has been better than Kobe in his career.
Teams don't even consider such a stupid formula when they evaluate players.
Yea, the Cavs won 1 more game.
And take either player off their team.. So now hypothetical situations have become facts?
 9 years ago '05        #62
Die-Nasty 46 heat pts46
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 str8_akademiks said:
Efficiency is an arbitrary formula with no real statistical basis. If you really pay attention to those stats and the person who made it, you would also be believing that Dirk has been better than Kobe in his career.
Teams don't even consider such a stupid formula when they evaluate players.
Yea, the Cavs won 1 more game.
And take either player off their team.. So now hypothetical situations have become facts?
Than why are we having this discussion... what's your measuring stick for talent? or for Who's better or best? It's all opinions at the end of the day with facts and hypotheticals to back those opinions up with.
 9 years ago '04        #63
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 Maroon_Tiger said:
chill out... im simply saying that lebron is playing at a higher level than kobe... not saying hes a better 3pt shooter 24/7
Or maybe it's the fact that Lebron is playing against Detroit and Atlanta, while the Lakers have to play Utah and Houston?
 9 years ago '04        #64
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 kingofthecity said:
Than why are we having this discussion... what's your measuring stick for talent? or for Who's better or best? It's all opinions at the end of the day with facts and hypotheticals to back those opinions up with.
The measuring stick for who's best for me is who is the most skilled overall and who can win titles.
The player with the best combination of both = the greatest.
 9 years ago '05        #65
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 str8_akademiks said:
The measuring stick for who's best for me is who is the most skilled overall and who can win titles.
The player with the best combination of both = the greatest.
That's not a fair stick of measurement considering that it takes a team to win a championship, not 1 individual players but a group... because if that were the case. D.Wade would be in this conversation over LBJ...

But yeah... we're talking most skilled player overall... It's close but what LBJ has done this year is a little better than what Kobe has done this year IMO and a lot more people's opinions like the people who voted him MVP
 9 years ago '05        #66
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LMFAO..did that one guy just say that Lebron has a better post game than Kobe? :laughing9:
 9 years ago '04        #67
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 kingofthecity said:
That's not a fair stick of measurement considering that it takes a team to win a championship, not 1 individual players but a group... because if that were the case. D.Wade would be in this conversation over LBJ...

But yeah... we're talking most skilled player overall... It's close but what LBJ has done this year is a little better than what Kobe has done this year IMO and a lot more people's opinions like the people who voted him MVP
Well playoff success is a big component.
And Lebron did have a better year, but it takes more than 1 year to anoint someone as the best. And the MVP is a media vote. It holds little to no validity anymore and doesn't say who's the best player in the league. Steve Nash & Dirk Nowitzki; Need I say more?
There's always the discussion....

AI vs. Kobe
VC vs. Kobe
T-Mac vs. Kobe
Allen vs. Kobe
Wade vs. Kobe
Lebron vs Kobe.

There's a common denominator.


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 9 years ago '08        #68
GrownmanJ 21 heat pts21
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People forget that Kobe has mentioned in numerous interviews that he has been pacing himself this season. Since he trusts his teammates more and believes in them, he doesnt need a monstous year. All he needs to do is lead and finish, and that is what he has been doing thus far. Yall make it seem like Kobe doesnt have the ability to do the things LeBron is doing. If you say no, then you dont watch basketball...
 9 years ago '04        #69
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best player in the league will be proven by the end of these playoffs (barring injury to kobe or bron)
 9 years ago '06        #70
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 Maroon_Tiger said:
kobe is 39% this round.. lebron is 50%+
Kobe vs Battier and Artest

Bron vs ???
 9 years ago '06        #71
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if this statement was bases off on the regular season, then im sure barkley would of said it then..not now..if hes saying it now then obviously hes including the playoffs..which to be honest, even doing he swept both team, is not that impressive considering both teams they faced were garbage...
 9 years ago '09        #72
TheG1ftedOne 4 heat pts
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 hood135 said:
Kobe is still the best player in the league for obvious reasons. The only way I change my mind is if 1) Kobe loses and is totally out played by Lebron in the finals 2) Kobe doesn't make it to the finals. Taking nothing away from Bron because he's a monSTAR.

And are you guys watching what Mamba is doing to the two best perimeter defenders in the league?
Co-sign
 9 years ago '05        #73
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 str8_akademiks said:
AI vs. Kobe
VC vs. Kobe
T-Mac vs. Kobe
Allen vs. Kobe
Wade vs. Kobe
Lebron vs Kobe.

There's a common denominator.
Here's another common denominator... All the guys you mentioned were scorers like Kobe but Kobe did it way better easily... Lebron does the other things better while being able to score as well... He rebounds better, blocks better, passes better etc... some other things are debatable but it comes a time for every player where they have to pass the torch of the best player in the League... if not now... the time is near.
 9 years ago '05        #74
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 SHOWTIME said:
best player in the league will be proven by the end of these playoffs (barring injury to kobe or bron)
It'll still be a debate unless one player just destroys the other player head-to-head which is very unlikely...

Kobe has the better talent around him so you can't really judge it by who wins the title and if the Lakers don't win the title, it'll be a shame.
 9 years ago '07        #75
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yea what barkley says is a fact, and our opinions dont matter
 9 years ago '05        #76
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 Bkjj11 said:
yea what barkley says is a fact, and our opinions dont matter
 9 years ago '06        #77
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 kingofthecity said:
It'll still be a debate unless one player just destroys the other player head-to-head which is very unlikely...

Kobe has the better talent around him so you can't really judge it by who wins the title and if the Lakers don't win the title, it'll be a shame.
I dont get why everyone thinks the LAkers HAVE to win it all or its a disgrace.

Kobe has some great talent around him but they are ALL soft and inconsistent. Every last one of them. Those two traits are not very beneficial to a championship run.

I agree Lakers are an obvious favorite, but they are not THAT much ahead of the field.


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 9 years ago '04        #78
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if the cavs were in the west it wouldnt be all this sweeping goin on
 9 years ago '07        #79
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Lol the lakers aren't gonna win them all, I know this.

I won't make threads callin kobe fake like im a jealous hatin a.ss kid @ home ,
 9 years ago '06        #80
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he's a moron
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