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 09-16-2008, 11:35 PM         #81
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 Steveo54 said:
explain how that is white privilege....lets, for instance, think about hundreds of years ago, in say, china, there was a "Ti" dynasty. everytime a Ti died, their son took over. Back then, it was just because they were a royal family.

It is similar in america...they are already in the political spotlight, they are rich, can afford campaigns and are already nationally known...its just easier for them to get into the white house....therefore, they are priveleged to becoming political leaders based on their predecessor.

i dont really know why i bother with some of yall, youre not even thinking....
Ask yourself this. If a black man performed the way G.W. Bush did in his first term would he be reelected? Be honest, its a simple question


And off-topic this has been on my mind people keep saying people are voting for Obama because hes black. But think about this. if every black person voted for Obama because hes black and every white person voted for McCain, Who would win?

Your trying to defend so hard, you're the one not thinking
 9 years ago '04        #82
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Half the sh*t in the article has nothing to do with being white or black.

Come on. I put this sh*t in the same box as the articles I read about Obama being Muslim and sh*t like that. Garbage.

I mean come on, I can put the exact same article together about Hillary Clinton. This is obviously a anti-republican hate messege meaning it is biased and NOT CREDIBLE.


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 09-16-2008, 11:44 PM         #83
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 REAL_NESS said:
Ask yourself this. If a black man performed the way G.W. Bush did in his first term would he be reelected? Be honest, its a simple question


And off-topic this has been on my mind people keep saying people are voting for Obama because hes black. But think about this. if every black person voted for Obama because hes black and every white person voted for McCain, Who would win?

Your trying to defend so hard, you're the one not thinking
for the record, the reason i think bush was reelected was because the only other option was fu*king John Kerry. I mean, you know you suck when bush can debate better than you can. Plus, america was still on all its 9/11 crap.

i dont think black people will vote for obama solely because he is black...or at least i hope not...itd be nice if people would listen to an issue and make a decision rather than try to change everything to a race issue.

and of course if every black person voted for obama, and every white for mccain, mccain would win. This is the first election where this could even possibly become an issue. forutnately, the majority of white people wont vote for mccain simply because he's white...thats just for the dumb old rednecks who were groomed to be racist.

this article is complete crap though....palin has been getting burned for her daughter getting knocked up. regardless, i consider myself the complete opposite kind of white person than palin, a redneck, god fearing, illogical bi*ch. so this article saying im privileged because im white is crap.
 9 years ago '04        #84
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 REAL_NESS said:
Ask yourself this. If a black man performed the way G.W. Bush did in his first term would he be reelected? Be honest, its a simple question


And off-topic this has been on my mind people keep saying people are voting for Obama because hes black. But think about this. if every black person voted for Obama because hes black and every white person voted for McCain, Who would win?

Your trying to defend so hard, you're the one not thinking
Actually, bush had descent approval ratings in his first term, was maybe a little lower then clinton was when he was reelected. If anything its his second term he has suffered and only because of a war, gas prices, and all these mortgage company collapses which all stem from Clinton and his policies, maybe not so much to blame for gas prices but definitely these mortgage company collapses.

Wouldn't be any better with Al Gore or Kerry. Look at both of them now.


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 09-16-2008, 11:50 PM         #85
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 Steveo54 said:
for the record, the reason i think bush was reelected was because the only other option was fu*king John Kerry. I mean, you know you suck when bush can debate better than you can. Plus, america was still on all its 9/11 crap.

i dont think black people will vote for obama solely because he is black...or at least i hope not...itd be nice if people would listen to an issue and make a decision rather than try to change everything to a race issue.

and of course if every black person voted for obama, and every white for mccain, mccain would win. This is the first election where this could even possibly become an issue. forutnately, the majority of white people wont vote for mccain simply because he's white...thats just for the dumb old rednecks who were groomed to be racist.

this article is complete crap though....palin has been getting burned for her daughter getting knocked up. regardless, i consider myself the complete opposite kind of white person than palin, a redneck, god fearing, illogical bi*ch. so this article saying im privileged because im white is crap.
your last paragraph is hilariously off. McCain is STILL enjoying a nice bump for white women independents. And your trying to tell me she is being crucified? They barely even mention her daughter. That's the point this article is making about white privilege. God forbid this was Obama's following views

This woman wants to teach creationism in school, she doesn't agree with equal pay for women, shes against Roe V Wade, she doesn't believe in abortion even with r*pe and incest, she blatantly lies about the "bride to nowhere"

But she is still considered a phenomenon and is getting more attention than the top of her own ticket. Wake up


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 09-16-2008, 11:52 PM         #86
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 Steveo54 said:
explain how that is white privilege....lets, for instance, think about hundreds of years ago, in say, china, there was a "Ti" dynasty. everytime a Ti died, their son took over. Back then, it was just because they were a royal family.

It is similar in america...they are already in the political spotlight, they are rich, can afford campaigns and are already nationally known...its just easier for them to get into the white house....therefore, they are priveleged to becoming political leaders based on their predecessor.

i dont really know why i bother with some of yall, youre not even thinking....
U are a naive buffon who is part of the problem and not the solution.
 09-16-2008, 11:55 PM         #87
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 REAL_NESS said:
your last paragraph is hilariously off. McCain is STILL enjoying a nice bump for white women independents. And your trying to tell me she is being crucified? They barely even mention her daughter.

This woman wants to teach creationism in school, she doesn't agree with equal pay for women, shes against Roe V Wade, she doesn't believe in a abortion even with r*pe and incest, she blatantly lies about the "bride to nowhere"

But she is still considered a phenomenon and is getting more attention than the top of her own ticket. Wake up
they barely mention it now, because it was played out by the media already. I mean, there was no talk except that for about a week right as she got the nomination.



i just read that article, thats the only reason im posting it, interesting that it doesnt seem mccain is considered having a bump from all sources. Maybe i just read too many online articles, but the majority of things i see are ANTI palin....i dont trust the straw polls months before the election, and ultimately i think palin will hurt the chances of mccain

dont you realize that saying white women will vote for mccain because of palin, is exactly the same as saying black people will vote for obama?
 09-17-2008, 12:01 AM         #88
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 Steveo54 said:
they barely mention it now, because it was played out by the media already. I mean, there was no talk except that for about a week right as she got the nomination.



i just read that article, thats the only reason im posting it, interesting that it doesnt seem mccain is considered having a bump from all sources. Maybe i just read too many online articles, but the majority of things i see are ANTI palin....i dont trust the straw polls months before the election, and ultimately i think palin will hurt the chances of mccain

dont you realize that saying white women will vote for mccain because of palin, is exactly the same as saying black people will vote for obama?
You can't be this naive, please. Do you really think that McCain would've chose Palin if Obama chose Hilary? NOPE

The Republican strategists have made it clear that she is supposed to appeal to those "Wal-Mart moms" etc. She repeatedly says dumb lines like "you know the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull: lipstick" They even have signs in their rallies now that say "Women for McCain"

Do you ever see signs saying "Blacks for Obama"?


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and Im not saying it wasnt a smart "political move"

Women, white women specifically are the majortity of this votes NOT black people. They can determine the outcome


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 9 years ago '04        #89
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 REAL_NESS said:
You can't be this naive, please. Do you really think that McCain would've chose Palin if Obama chose Hilary? NOPE

The Republican strategists have made it clear that she is supposed to appeal to those "Wal-Mart moms" etc. She repeatedly says dumb lines like "you know the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull: lipstick" They even have signs in their rallies now that say "Women for McCain"

Do you ever see signs saying "Blacks for Obama"?


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and Im not saying it wasnt a smart "political move"

Women, white women specifically are the majortity of this votes NOT black people. They can determine the outcome
Whose more likely to vote on election day.
 09-17-2008, 12:19 AM         #90
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hell yes.
 09-17-2008, 12:46 AM         #91
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 Steveo54 said:
for the record, the reason i think bush was reelected was because the only other option was fu*king John Kerry. I mean, you know you suck when bush can debate better than you can. Plus, america was still on all its 9/11 crap.

i dont think black people will vote for obama solely because he is black...or at least i hope not...itd be nice if people would listen to an issue and make a decision rather than try to change everything to a race issue.

and of course if every black person voted for obama, and every white for mccain, mccain would win. This is the first election where this could even possibly become an issue. forutnately, the majority of white people wont vote for mccain simply because he's white...thats just for the dumb old rednecks who were groomed to be racist.

this article is complete crap though....palin has been getting burned for her daughter getting knocked up. regardless, i consider myself the complete opposite kind of white person than palin, a redneck, god fearing, illogical bi*ch. so this article saying im privileged because im white is crap.

I don't think anyone is saying your like Palin or whatever but its hard for you to see the concept because you are white, there's no helping that, and without being a minority you can never really understand it.

Its as simple as this.....if you got pulled over by the police and had a small bag of crack there is a high possibility you would be let off easy. They would view you as a user and tell you to stay out of trouble. Maybe not even arrest you. (I've seen it with my own eyes).

If I got pulled over with a dime bag of weed, its pretty much automatic that I'm getting my car searched, other officers are being called to the scene, the dogs are brought out, and if its in a jewelry bag I'm likely to be seen as a dealer and can face charges of distribution. I'm going to get hauled down to the station in cuffs, questioned, and have to come up with a way to prove I'm not dealing.

Now sometimes an officer will let of a minority easy and cut them a break or believe their story, but nowhere near as often as they would let a white person slide.

I went to a white high school and couldn't believe the stories these kids would tell about their antics or run ins with the law and still be sitting across from me in class like it wasn't sh*t for them to get away with it.

A white girl getting caught at school with a skittles bag full of xcstasy and being suspended for a couple of days with no police action meanwhile a black kid who gets into a small f!ght gets arrested and escorted out of the school in cuffs and gets accused of being in a gang because he was wearing a red shirt and red/black jeans is white privilege. Minorities see and experience this on the regular.
 09-17-2008, 12:54 AM         #92
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As a matter of fact here's another perfect example. My mom and I both have the exact same tint on our cars....my mom can pass for a white woman. She has never been pulled over for her tint being too dark, or never asked/accused of it when pulled over for speeding.......me on the other hand.....pulled over the 4 times in the past 2 months.....not for speeding, for the sole purpose of my tint "appearing too dark". In which 3 of the 4 times I was then asked if I could have my car searched......white privilege.
 09-17-2008, 01:04 AM         #93
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God I hope Obama wins so all these dumb a.ss bi*ches can shut the fu*k up about how much racism there is in America. If white people only vote for white people, you tell me how Obama can win.

Obviously racism exists, but not as much as people proclaim. It's easier to say "I didn't get the job because I was black" than it is to say "I didn't get the job because I'm a fu*king idiot who thinks I'm entitled to it." I really wonder what black folk's excuse would be if they couldn't play the race card every time they didn't get their way.
 09-17-2008, 01:29 AM         #94
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 Steveo54 said:
this article is complete crap though....palin has been getting burned for her daughter getting knocked up. regardless, i consider myself the complete opposite kind of white person than palin, a redneck, god fearing, illogical bi*ch. so this article saying im privileged because im white is crap.
To steveo, I would like you to know that like yourself, I am white. I, like yourself, am also a male. Because of these two conditions, we are inherently privileged in a society which is based strictly upon white, capitalist, patriarchal ideals. To not acknowledge this is plain ignorance. Most people in our position don't realize our privilege because we have never really experienced being oppressed in any way. Being a white male in U.S. society is like going under the radar. Our race and gender is neutralized and therefore our actions and ideals are considered the norm. Take into consideration what Black people experience everyday:


I hope you have been enlightened.
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I had to put my 2cents in cause this sh*t is gettin ridiculous!

1st off, the article is very real and truthful in that it pits white wealth aka white privelage against black privelage and showcases theorised differences that could actually happen. What it doesnt do is showcase a broad scope of white privelage across all classes! Wealthy people no matter the race look down on those that are not in some cases, it just happens that most of them are white.

2nd Palin is not fooling anyone but the media wh0ores and christian gun nut conservatives who voted for bush! I take for example the view last week when they discussed Palins treatment by the media and why they should or shouldn't be delving into her personal matters!

We all know that when one is on the presidential stage all forms of madness are fair game! But what I don't see is someone like Bill O'reilly coming at her neck like he does Obama. What I don't see is how (and this might seem off topic for the moment) Brittney Spears gets shown love by Mtv, but Janet Jackson can't her album to spin anywhere! Janet popped her tit out on live multi-million viewer tv and spears went crazy in the public eye, lost her kids to a doofy a.ss sucker, and has had twat on more magazine covers than Jadafire has DP scenes!

Tell me thats not white privelage at its best!


Tell me how can Angelina Jolie get the role of a light skin black woman over a real black woman! That's like me gettin cast to play george washington over george clooney! Tell me why are there so many shows about rich white folks where the only problems they have are forgotten after a trip to the mall! And that Baldwin hills bullsh*t is just bulsh*t copy and a single show, compared to the ten different ones on mtv and fox!

But whats real is that elitism and racism share many qualities that blend together and make it difficult to see the difference, although I could care less, I think there both wrong!
 09-17-2008, 02:06 AM         #96
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 Blacklock said:
Wait wait wait...I shouldn't have responded to you... if you are from the UK, I don't think you are qualified to speak on race relations on the US. Sorry, but you just can't understand.
or rather u have no counter argument, and if im wrong it would be easy to dismantle what i stated.
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it's a hard thing to say, because i'm not the one to exclude people because of race and what not, but if you're white, this article just might be hard to digest/underdig because you don't have the perspective, instead of reverting back to this "oh i'm black and can't get this job and that" routine that you have, either take time to listen to those who actually EXPERIENCE what is being described or just admit that you don't know

i mean i even look at the situation in reverse, this racism sh1t is hard for black people, but i could imagine how frustrating it could be to have "white guilt", to know that there are still practices and values in place in this current system that inherently put certain people at a disadvantage

yall keep going back to affirmative action like thats the only example you can think of...and it's because YOU DON'T KNOW, and it's cool that you don't know, just don't be an a**hole about it, this article is not about YOU PERSONALLY, and most of you seem to be taking it that way

it's about the way this power structure deals with minorities in comparison to their own, it's not your fault that the power structure as a whole ends up adopting the characteristics of the leaders (rich, white, no civil rights til 64? how many generations removed from whips and chains?) but that doesn't make it untrue and it doesn't make you a bad person


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 09-17-2008, 08:00 AM         #98
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 magatsu said:
I don't think anyone is saying your like Palin or whatever but its hard for you to see the concept because you are white, there's no helping that, and without being a minority you can never really understand it.

Its as simple as this.....if you got pulled over by the police and had a small bag of crack there is a high possibility you would be let off easy. They would view you as a user and tell you to stay out of trouble. Maybe not even arrest you. (I've seen it with my own eyes).

If I got pulled over with a dime bag of weed, its pretty much automatic that I'm getting my car searched, other officers are being called to the scene, the dogs are brought out, and if its in a jewelry bag I'm likely to be seen as a dealer and can face charges of distribution. I'm going to get hauled down to the station in cuffs, questioned, and have to come up with a way to prove I'm not dealing.

Now sometimes an officer will let of a minority easy and cut them a break or believe their story, but nowhere near as often as they would let a white person slide.

I went to a white high school and couldn't believe the stories these kids would tell about their antics or run ins with the law and still be sitting across from me in class like it wasn't sh*t for them to get away with it.

A white girl getting caught at school with a skittles bag full of xcstasy and being suspended for a couple of days with no police action meanwhile a black kid who gets into a small f!ght gets arrested and escorted out of the school in cuffs and gets accused of being in a gang because he was wearing a red shirt and red/black jeans is white privilege. Minorities see and experience this on the regular.
see, thats where youre completely wrong...im 20 years old...when i was 18, a white cop searched my bag because me and some friends were smoking in the car, and found some alcohol and a ounce of weed.....i got a nice trip to jail that night, eventually had to take a class and do some community service.

and then, again, i was riding to the beach with some friends, get pulled, ive got alcohol in my bag, only 19 now, get an underage possession of alcohol ticket. lost my license for 3 months because of that sh*t.

so dont tell me i would get let off easy with the cops, because i know thats complete bullsh*t....some white people might be lucky like that, but not all...


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steveo why are you taking this to heart so much...nobody is sayin that since you popped out white life is going to be cake for you...but in terms of a whole society there is "white privilege" just because whites are the majority. I dont know why this sh*t is hurting your feelings so much lol
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