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 10 years ago '06        #61
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 lifetimez said:
And just what the fu*k IS Budden trying to do?


I like how you ignored my first point but w/e

Don't even try and go the sales route in this thread, it's a losing battle.

Plus we all know Cham's work ethic >>> Joey's



P.S No sh*t a mixtape is music to give to the fans, who the fu*k are they gonna give it to, their producers?
Waynes Work Ethic >>>> Cham's
fu*k it Waynes Work Ethic >>>>> Almost any rappers right now

Does that make him the best. or even slightly CLOSE to it? (hoping your not a wayne stan)
 10 years ago '08        #62
lifetimez  OP
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 JNyiri77 said:
You continuously keep changing what u want the topic to be about Dude gave you an answer and you straight up ignored it. There was a whole damn thread after Budden was released from Def Jam with an entire interview as to why he didn't want to/couldn't put out music while he was on Def Jam, his situation, etc.

And don't lie to yourself. Joe Budden's first album was good (not amazing) and Chamillionaire's first album was good (not amazing). Second effort - Mood Muzik 2 (considered to be flawless by most) Ultimate Victory (pretty much forgotten a week after it came out)
We reading the same thread? Point that out to me.

and LOL @ comparing Mood Muzik 2 which came out 2 years before, to Ultimate Victory (Since he had no album, I can't blame you though).

And don't argue quality either please, learn to read.
 08-05-2008, 01:27 AM         #63
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 JNyiri77 said:
All the guys in bold are , imo at least, considered legends by most. so you're saying the only ppl who can rival Joe are legends of the past who ain't half as good as they were?
I could name 50 people better than Joe Budden if I really need to...
 08-05-2008, 01:28 AM         #64
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 lifetimez said:
And just what the fu*k IS Budden trying to do?
he's trying to give fans good music. nothing more nothing less.

 lifetimez said:

I like how you ignored my first point but w/e

Don't even try and go the sales route in this thread, it's a losing battle.

Plus we all know Cham's work ethic >>> Joey's



P.S No sh*t a mixtape is music to give to the fans, who the fu*k are they gonna give it to, their producers?
your first point = "You're under contract to make albums"

me and everyone else answered that plenty of times. They tried to force him to make music he didnt want to make so they shelved him and he moved on with his career.

how is sales a losing battle here? Joe got one Gold album Cham got one platinum. Cham got one flop of a sophomore, Joe re-released a mixtape and flopped.

I like how you bypass the fact that your main argument and topic of this thread was "Joe is lazy" and i continue to point out the fact he releases music every year despite his label problems. proving he has a good work ethic.

but it's whatever.


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 10 years ago '06        #65
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 lifetimez said:
We reading the same thread? Point that out to me.

and LOL @ comparing Mood Muzik 2 which came out 2 years before, to Ultimate Victory (Since he had no album, I can't blame you though).

And don't argue quality either please, learn to read.
people compare Illmatic to Reasonable Doubt all the time....?

what they shouldnt because there was a two year difference?
 10 years ago '04        #66
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Really don't see how dude is lazy... his album came out in 2003, mood muzik 1 came out in 04 , I'm back and Mood muzik 2 came out in 2005, sh*t music is music. I could see if budden wasn't dropping music at all, get out of dude's pockets.
 10 years ago '08        #67
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 yungmoney_85 said:
Waynes Work Ethic >>>> Cham's
fu*k it Waynes Work Ethic >>>>> Almost any rappers right now

Does that make him the best. or even slightly CLOSE to it? (hoping your not a wayne stan)
You know I was debating whether to use the Cham comparison, since I'm sure this stupid argument would come up.

WE ALL KNOW LIL' WAYNE HAS AN INCREDIBLE WORTH ETHIC (we also know half to 75% of thi sh*t he put out is crap)

Cham are both dope rappers that are mentioned among the best in skill today. I used the comparison because dude said even though Joey is not releasing his album, he has the mixtapes to live off.

Cham has been doing the same thing, but has released 2 albums and is on the 4th installment of the series. Both MM's are dope series. There goes the quality > quantity argument. Get it?
 10 years ago '04        #68
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 yungmoney_85 said:
i thought u said MM2 was the illmatic of mixtapes.
so Encore is a higher level than Illmatic?
I said in MIXTAPE series MM2 to me is regarded as Illmatic... or that's the point I was trying to say

but retail wise

Joe Budden the album is not better then Encore

Toy Soldiers, Yellow Brick Road, Evil Deeds, Never Enough.... just like..3 crap songs out of 18
 10 years ago '08        #69
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I still can't get over the fact that it took him 2 YEARS to complete a mixtape though.

And one of his excuses was " I have a life".


Man, if ya'll defend that dusthead Joey got some diehards on his side.
 10 years ago '04        #70
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 lifetimez said:
I still can't get over the fact that it took him 2 YEARS to complete a mixtape though.

And one of his excuses was " I have a life".


Man, if ya'll defend that dusthead Joey got some diehards on his side.
The question is why do you care so much?
 08-05-2008, 01:38 AM         #71
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 lifetimez said:
We reading the same thread? Point that out to me.
Sure thing ---->

 PHOENIXXX said:
your first point = "You're under contract to make albums"

me and everyone else answered that plenty of times. They tried to force him to make music he didnt want to make so they shelved him and he moved on with his career.

how is sales a losing battle here? Joe got one Gold album Cham got one platinum. Cham got one flop of a sophomore, Joe re-released a mixtape and flopped.

I like how you bypass the fact that your main argument and topic of this thread was "Joe is lazy" and i continue to point out the fact he releases music every year despite his label problems. proving he has a good work ethic.
 lifetimez said:
and LOL @ comparing Mood Muzik 2 which came out 2 years before, to Ultimate Victory (Since he had no album, I can't blame you though).

And don't argue quality either please, learn to read.
again ---->

 yungmoney_85 said:
people compare Illmatic to Reasonable Doubt all the time....?

what they shouldnt because there was a two year difference?
More blind hate :nicethread:
 08-05-2008, 01:38 AM         #72
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 Kim KardA$$hian said:
2Pac
Biggie
Nas
Eminem
Jay-Z
Big L
Big Pun
Ghostface k!llah
Ice Cube
Andre3000
Black Thought
Scarface
Rakim
Raekwon
GZA
Lupe Fiasco
AZ
Add these to the list of rappers better than Budden:

Cassidy
Cam'Ron
Chino XL
Canibus
Cormega
Nature
Murs
Apathy
Wordsworth
Ransom
KRS-One
Little Brother
Beanie Sigel
Pusha T
Commom
Mac
Mos Def
Obie Trice
Royce Da 5'9"
Tech N9ne
Redman
Proof
Pharoahe Monch
Masta Ace
Bun B
Guru/Gangstarr
Jeru the Damaja
Del the Funky Homosapien
Slick Rick
Talib Kweli
Styles P
Jadakiss


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 08-05-2008, 01:40 AM         #73
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 lifetimez said:
I still can't get over the fact that it took him 2 YEARS to complete a mixtape though.

And one of his excuses was " I have a life".


Man, if ya'll defend that dusthead Joey got some diehards on his side.
where you getting these myths from?

he aint start recording Mood Muzik 2 until February 2007, and released it December 2007.

it took him at most 10 months to put it out, he took 1 year off after Mood Muzik 2

I can name countless artists with 2 year spans, even 3 year breaks between albums.


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 10 years ago '06        #74
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 SC1 said:
I said in MIXTAPE series MM2 to me is regarded as Illmatic... or that's the point I was trying to say

but retail wise

Joe Budden the album is not better then Encore

Toy Soldiers, Yellow Brick Road, Evil Deeds, Never Enough.... just like..3 crap songs out of 18
if you didnt read the other thread i quoted you in, you sound like your just trying to discredit Budden.

what are you trying to defend? just the fact that other rappers have better Retails than Joe?

why not compare talent including all Mood Muzik's and what not.

even though dumb a.sses are just trying to feel more secure by saying "Buddens>>>>your favorite rapper, get mad"

you obviously dont think joe's wack.

just sounds like your trying to p!ss off some stans who get pissed who cant handle people not likin Joey
 10 years ago '04        #75
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 Kim KardA$$hian said:
Add these to the list of rappers better than Budden:

Cassidy
Cam'Ron
Chino XL
Canibus
Cormega
Nature
Murs
Apathy
Wordsworth
Ransom
KRS-One
Little Brother
Beanie Sigel
Pusha T
Commom
Mac
Mos Def
Obie Trice
Royce Da 5'9"
Tech N9ne
Redman
Proof
Pharoahe Monch
Masta Ace
Bun B
Guru/Gangstarr
Jeru the Damaja
Del the Funky Homosapien
Slick Rick
Talib Kweli
Bold = No chance in hell....
 08-05-2008, 01:43 AM         #76
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 yungmoney_85 said:
if you didnt read the other thread i quoted you in, you sound like your just trying to discredit Budden.

what are you trying to defend? just the fact that other rappers have better Retails than Joe?

why not compare talent including all Mood Muzik's and what not.

even though dumb a.sses are just trying to feel more secure by saying "Buddens>>>>your favorite rapper, get mad"

you obviously dont think joe's wack.

just sounds like your trying to p!ss off some stans who get pissed who cant handle people not likin Joey
basically

stans getting mad screaming "fu*k you joey is the best out u dont know sh*t f*g**t" look just as bad as the people blindly hating him simply to get a rise out of them
 10 years ago '04        #77
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 Kim KardA$$hian said:
Add these to the list of rappers better than Budden:

Cassidy-no
Cam'Ron- Ok I stoped after this one..
Chino XL
Canibus
Cormega
Nature
Murs
Apathy
Wordsworth
Ransom
KRS-One
Little Brother
Beanie Sigel
Pusha T
Commom
Mac
Mos Def
Obie Trice
Royce Da 5'9"
Tech N9ne
Redman
Proof
Pharoahe Monch
Masta Ace
Bun B
Guru/Gangstarr
Jeru the Damaja
Del the Funky Homosapien
Slick Rick
Talib Kweli
Man you're absolutely ridiculous. LOL
 10 years ago '04        #78
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 yungmoney_85 said:
if you didnt read the other thread i quoted you in, you sound like your just trying to discredit Budden.

what are you trying to defend? just the fact that other rappers have better Retails than Joe?

why not compare talent including all Mood Muzik's and what not.

even though dumb a.sses are just trying to feel more secure by saying "Buddens>>>>your favorite rapper, get mad"

you obviously dont think joe's wack.

just sounds like your trying to p!ss off some stans who get pissed who cant handle people not likin Joey
I think he's given to much credit for just being a n*gga who releases music strictly for the online masses....

N Budden used to be nice to me but he's just...alright nothing special anymore cause I feel like I know what I can expect when I listen to him...

Also it is "educational" getting into "debates" with his f/stans
 08-05-2008, 01:45 AM         #79
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this thread was made at 2:21 AM

it's now 3:45

anybody still in this thread trying to discredit Joe Budden is lying to themsleves

any fan still in here defending him to death (including me) lost and needs to log the fu*k off
 10 years ago '06        #80
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 lifetimez said:
I still can't get over the fact that it took him 2 YEARS to complete a mixtape though.

And one of his excuses was " I have a life".


Man, if ya'll defend that dusthead Joey got some diehards on his side.
im saying sh*t in an unbiased manner.
cuz i could care less if u think joe's the worst rapper or the best.
you dont choose who i listen to and vice-versa.



alot of yall just seem like your givin Joe hate because so many people on here like him.

fu*ka work ethic and how many retails or record saled he has. if u feel his sh*t n can relate to it, bump it. if not bump your sh*t.

i dont get why people defend sh*t thats so pointless
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