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 14 years ago '04        #126
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I cant find the website but the numbers dat came up in that site was that 70% p-ricans are mulattos

 11-21-2004, 01:48 PM         #127
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I realize that there are mixed/black Latinos. Its like American negroes(what we call ("READ BONES"). I mean Look at Faith Evans. She identifies as black. But she's obviously a mixed person. The people you posted above would fall under that 8% of black IDENTIFYING pr.(if they idnetify as black) Fat joe may identify under the "Some other race" (6.8%) or the "two or more races" (4.2%). Th census goes by what people IDENTIFY as.

Take America for example. Virtually every black person is mixed with something. Thats common knowledge amongst us. On the census of AAs, out of the 36,419,434 people that make up the whole of the AA population a whopping 34,658,190 indetify as Black or African American alone. While only 1,761,244 identify as Black or African American in combination. Why is that? People know what they WANT to be and what they identify with.

I really dont know how that census is done. I a.ssume they question people and gather statisitcal data. Obviously when the majority of PR were questioned about SPECIFICALLY their race the majority said white. This is shown by the 80.5%. Like if a census questionaire was to ask a person from a country "what is your race". They probably would have a list of choices. You would pick from that list of choices. Evidently the majority of the people in PR. chose white. 8% or the population chose Black/AA, 6.8% of the people chose "Some other race" and 4.2% chose "Two or more races"(multiracial)

I dont have a problem with what people choose to identify as. They know better that I. Regurdless of tone of skin, Its once again, what you identify as.

Example. If a census was taken of the U.S. now(they are taken every ten years so it wont be soon). If I was asked my race, I would say Black/AA ALONE. Thats what I identify as even though it is common knowledge that virtually no AA is full blooded Africoid. A member of my family may identify as Black or African American in combination. I have no control over that. I dont have a problem with the way people view themselves.

 11-21-2004, 02:02 PM         #128
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I understand what you sayin, but IDENTIFY...The census wasn't askin people what they IDENTIFY as..guaranteed. That's the U.S IDENTIFYING us (boris). That's one problem in the U.S today. People believe everything the government tells you. You think that the deaths of Iraqi civilians is what CNN says every couple of days? HELL NO, it's more than doubled of what they tell us, maybe even triple.

The U.S wishes that all Boris were white, like white americans, sadly for them they can't do that. It's never gonna hide, even a white skinned bori has some feature that proves not to be white, whether it's nose, hair, lips and or whatever.

And i have never witnessed a P-Rican claim white or black, either on the island or in america. point blank

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 11-21-2004, 02:08 PM         #129
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Well.......... I dont think we'll ever really know.

Quick question. What does the U.S. have to gain by saying the majority of the P.R.'s are White. From what i uderstand, its a poor country. The U.S. dosen't give them aid. They get the majority of their money from tourism


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 11-21-2004, 04:59 PM         #130
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White America... they don't want to be affiliated with a poor country, of colored people. We do get our most money from tourism, don't get me wrong, PR is a BEAUTIFUL island with great people, but i do wish the U.S would help us out with the water problem in the poorer cities of PR if we're going to stay as a commonwealth.

Boricua hasta la muerte

Boricua till I die..


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 14 years ago '04        #131
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damn i got this topic poppin didnt i? but yo if u aint balc like ur momma had black in here or ur daddy had black in him ur not black! pr is not black! lil wyte said n*gga on his cd hes from da west and check hiphop news sites he got jumped we dont play over here this aint the east coast we respect or culture and relize what our people have been through, it bull sh*t for any who aint black 2 say it, so if u aint black stop sayin it and if u say and get ur a.ss kicked dont wonder y mutha fu*ka, and if u black and u hear some1 not in ur race say it whoop da fu*k outta them we gotta make these muth fu*kas quit tink thye can say it wit no repecutions, and for they roy jones and fat joe thang i wanna see em catch fair ones and that dude that said roy wqoulda got shot cuase they were at ja rules relase party, think about what u said they were at Ja Rules albm party lmao, yeah id be real scared its gonna start getten shot up there lmfao, a black man/women is a n*gga not a pr not a mexican not any latino and fa sho not a whitey, thats that

 11-21-2004, 05:22 PM         #132
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The truth i look black, but I'm Puerto Rican. I don't say n*gga to anybody that's not black, i may say "my n*gga" to one of mah black friends they have no prob wit it, they say "my sp1c" i got no problem with that. If you want other people to stop sayin it, it has to start witchu, or nobody gon stop it.

p.s; anybody could say they gon whoop somebody a.ss over the net, i'm 100% sure you wouldn't do sh*t if i said it in ya face. lol


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 14 years ago '04        #133
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anyone can also say u wouldnt do sh*t if u was in my face 2 homie, but come to oakland and well see whats crackin home boy u have no clue what i look like how u gonna say i wouldnt do nothin u internet thug stfu

 11-21-2004, 05:35 PM         #134
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sorry cuz, i can't afford a trip to Oakland, nor do i plan to go there anytime soon. Internet thug? nope. But i aint gonna sit here and argue about a bunch of sh*t when you and I both know that we aint never gonna meet face to face.


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 11-21-2004, 06:00 PM         #135
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Truth be told black people have beeeeeeeeen callin each other n*gga as a term for a male AA. Latinos have just, like 20 years ago become comfortable with using it. Like i said, it like 85% our fault for not setting certain guidlines with reguards to our culture. The other 15% of the fault lies with other people for running with it.

If you noticed its the ONLY racial term that is widley accepted among ALL people. We as blacks should have enough self esteem not to allow certain things.

A PR dosen't allow anyone to encrotch on his culture. Sure we can enjoy and learn about it, but there are certain aspects of it that we as blacks do not identify with or have insight in. Same with AA's. People seem to equate minority with n*gga. EVERY downtrodden people are n*ggaz. Thats just not the case. White people dealt with Native Americans, African, Jewish, Asian and latino people in totally different ways. Each way is personal to us.

I cannot tell a Native what I will and will not say as it reguards his culture. The word n*gga far transcends hip-hop. It speaks to a time when THE LAW ITSELF IN THIS COUNTRY stated that blacks were literally 3/5 of a human being. The LAW now. Not just a notion made up by white men. This was THEE fu*kIN LAW. It also speaks to time when a white man AFTER SLAVERY WAS ABOLISHED could make s3xual advances and even have full acess to black women. If that women put up a f!ght and drew blood from that man she might be beaten, still r*ped, and lynched. A black man couldn't even look at a white woman without fear of being lynched. There were no Kobe bryant cases. It didnt even get that far. All of those things other races just dont identify with because it didnt happen to them. Hell it didnt happen to me. BUT, the thing about it is, I IDENTIFY with that aspect that WAS and still in some casses is AA life in America. It is who I am.

I cant participate in certain things with PR culture because i am not PR and dont identify as such. Im a Black person of African descent. Even though we both STUGGLED. We both struggled in different ways and that struggle gave birth to two different cultures. I cant identify with the Jewish plight, although we have similar things in common--Genocide of a group of people.

The word n*gga is mainly about self identification and culture amongst AA and Latino people. I fully know we are genetically similar through the slave trade. BUT, we self-identify with two different cultures. We have two different mentalities for the most part.

For Asians and Whites, ITS OUT. I cant wrap my head around them saying it. That goes for white Jews too. I just cant get around it.

 11-21-2004, 06:19 PM         #136
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I doubt anybody but a black american can identify with this type of shyt that happed AFTER SLAVERY "ENDED"


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"Waiting for the show to start"
John Hartfield - Ellisville, Mississippi
June 26,1919 2:30 p.m.


Look at this picture GOOD. Look how many white men came out for this "show" in 1919 quite a while after slavery ended


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The Show Starts !!!
John Hartfield
Ellisville, Mississippi
June 26, 1919 - 3 p.m.



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Another Group Outting
Duluth, Minnesota



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Dual Lynchings
Marion, Indiana


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Look at this black man. They burnt this man TO A CRISP. look at the crowd of white men in the smokey haze


Thats all im going to give you for now. I know my history in this country PAST slavery all too well. I suggest you go out and buy or check out a book called "without santuary" it has alot more photographs than this. You may can go to Amazon.com and they will lwt you look in the book for a few pages.

 11-21-2004, 06:21 PM         #137
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yea that's very sad, but you know those white man are in hell now.


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 11-21-2004, 06:25 PM         #138
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yea i hope they are.

I brouht up this point to show you that atrocities against blacks didnt end when slavery ended. They continued and still continue on. Except we doin to each other. And that sh*ts sad.

 11-21-2004, 06:48 PM         #139
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hell yea its sad. I dont care what race you are. Being hanged like that is humanly wrong. Racism is wrong. I know that stuff aint end when slavery did. I can't say nuthin but that it's disgusting to know people can actually do that sh*t. I go to church and am very religous, it's just horrible to know sh*t like that has gone on and still does to people in different countries such as in the Middle East.

I respect every race, I don't care who you are.

13Lack, I've learned some interestin sh*t about AAs in this thread, and i hope you have too about P-Ricans and Latinos in general

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 11-21-2004, 06:51 PM         #140
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cool yea i did.

 11-21-2004, 07:21 PM         #141
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Aint this ironic. Somebody asked a similar question on Blackplanet.com about blacks and Latinos. Somebody broke it down real good.

]Are our respective struggle really alike as some media projects

yes, but NOBODY wants to be
at the `bottom` of the social ladder, so any blacks and `latinos` that can `pass` or not be mistaken for `african` will do so.

first, lets get it together...latino, hispanic, etc., is not a race, but a culture. there are MANY latinos who are STRAIGHT up black/african (haiti, dominican republic, cuba, puerto rico,etc), and many have at least SOME black blood in them.

however, as the `caste` system was developed, those that were considered `white` (spanish rulers and the mestizos that passed for white) were at the top and tended to marry each other. this is farcical, of course, since spain was occupied by the moors, formerly black-a-moors, for about 800 years, but thats another story.

the next level was the mestizos, the spanish (allegedly white) and native american mix. beneath them, where there was a sizeable indian population, was the indians. in the caribbean, since the carib, arawak and other island indians died off within 75 years, the black/white mulatto was next and at the bottom was the `black`.

depending on the country, that still exists, if only in a non-formal manner.

once you get to the states, the hierarchy was much less complicated...if you are black, or look like you got black in you, you`re at the bottom...end of subject.

until people, as a whole, can get rid of the stigma that black is `bad`, blacks and latinos that `look` like they don`t have black in them will have a hard time working together. many latinos, once money is attained, managed to marry and blend in to the white world. thats why in areas like chicago, there ARE no hispanic middle class neighborhoods...only working class/poor hispanic neighborhoods. once they get their money, they`re gone to either mostly white hoods in chicago or mostly white suburbs.

if the affluent hispanics don`t work with each other, why would we think they`d work with blacks?


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 11-21-2004, 07:41 PM         #142
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again, that is not fact but opinion... though latinos accept both the black and white community they prefer to marry the same ethnicity. A lot of times even a Rican marryin a Dominican, isn't accepted. They want the 100% Boricua to apply for generations on. So when the person above said: "many latinos, once money is attained, managed to marry and blend in to the white world." is completely false.


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Again, Tego Calderon is a PERFECT example of how the average P-RICAN(not all hispanics in general) looks like. If you or anybody else wants to consider that white, go ahead.


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 14 years ago '04        #143
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 13lack said
Aint this ironic. Somebody asked a similar question on Blackplanet.com about blacks and Latinos. Somebody broke it down real good.
Lmao so what u basically saying is that only latinos are doing this??? fu*k outta heaaa blacks be doing the same they get money leave the hood and blend into a white mans world Tiger Woods is doing it Cuba goodin Jr. is doing it so dont come at us with this sh*t.Blacks and anybody that attains money of course will want to leave the hood.Look at 50 cent has an example he's working and making money for a white man(Eminem) that said N.igger same goes with dr. dre.So that kid that wrote that sh*t is on that racismn tip saying Latinos are the only ones doing that sh*t.And to that kid from Okland u fu*king chump is not an only east coast thing look at b-real(From Cypress Hill) he's pale has fu*k and yet he throws The word n*gga like it's nuffin but yet ive herd that he's gotten fu*ked up so get tha fu*k outta hea with that e-thuggin son.
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also u keep mentioning all these latinos speaking bad on blacks and others that are not latinos speaking on our culture if you really want to know so much about blacks all over Latin America

visit that page


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 11-22-2004, 12:01 AM         #144
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If you notice the frist sentece says "Blacks and Latinos THAT CAN PASS OR NOT BE MISTAKEN FOR AFRICAN WILL DO SO"

Even though dark black people do this they cant "blend" like most latinos. Just face it, MOST latinos look very eurocentric. You do have that 8% who "unfortunately" dont quite "pass". If i turn on Univision right now all i see, and have ever seen are, for the most part, WHITE FOLKS. People who look like Daisy Fuentes or Enrique Iglasias.

And you cannot Deny the caste sytem thats in Latino culture PERIOD.

once you get to the states, the hierarchy was much less complicated...if you are black, or look like you got black in you, you`re at the bottom...end of subject.
This right here is true. In the states white folks dont make any fuss about whose black or not. If you look black you is black. And you are at the bottom of the social latter PERIOD. Whether your Afro latino or not.

The whole jist of the article was talking about light-skinned people latinos


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 14 years ago '04        #145
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 13lack said
If you notice the frist sentece says "Blacks and Latinos THAT CAN PASS OR NOT BE MISTAKEN FOR AFRICAN WILL DO SO"

Even though dark black people do this they cant "blend" like most latinos. Just face it, MOST latinos look very eurocentric. You do have that 8% who "unfortunately" dont quite "pass". If i turn on Univision right now all i see, and have ever seen are, for the most part, WHITE FOLKS. People who look like Daisy Fuentes or Enrique Iglasias.

And you cannot Deny the caste sytem thats in Latino culture PERIOD.



This right here is true. In the states white folks dont make any fuss about whose black or not. If you look black you is black. And you are at the bottom of the social latter PERIOD. Whether your Afro latino or not.

The whole jist of the article was talking about light-skinned people latinos
What a fu*king minute Caste System??? you acting like this only happened and still happens in Latin countries u do know The Caste system also did and goes on till this day in africa and many other places such has jamaica...riiight??? and what the hell are u talking about mayne??? eurocentric??? yo son u really pissing me off it would be alright if you was talking on my culture with knowledge but you're not once again ima repeat this to you most Latinos look brown/tan skinned why do you think alot of hispanic refeer to has having "brown pride"??? even the light skinned ones...and sh*t the pale skinned latinos are a minority in my culture has is the blacks latinos are mainly mixed wether it be black mixed with indian or black/white or the three things such has myself...did you even know that africans themselves practiced slavery way before any europeans did??? also the muslim religion which most of blacks practice also believed in slavery did you know this???


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 11-22-2004, 12:31 AM         #146
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Nice website. It would've been very enlightening IF I DIDNT KNOW THAT ALREADY. I think your missing my point. I know there is a strong Afrcan presence in Latin America. I mean look at santeria. Its nothing but Voodun from Africa.

You can have all the blacks people you want to. The majority will tell you THEY ARE NOT BLACK. Its about what you identify as.

The census i posted still stands as over 80% identify as white.

Visionary even said it himself. He said "my skin color is black but im not black". Thats the way Latino culture is for the most part. They can identify as WHATEVR they want. It dosent matter to me. It never mattered to me becuz my skin color is black and Im black PERIOD.

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 13lack said
Nice website. It would've been very enlightening IF I DIDNT KNOW THAT ALREADY. I think your missing my point. I know there is a strong Afrcan presence in Latin America. I mean look at santeria. Its nothing but Voodun from Africa.

You can have all the blacks people you want to. The majority will tell you THEY ARE NOT BLACK. Its about what you identify as.

The census i posted still stands as over 80% identify as white.

Visionary even said it himself. He said "my skin color is black but im not black". Thats the way Latino culture is for the most part. They can identify as WHATEVR they want. It dosent matter to me. It never mattered to me becuz my skin color is black and Im black PERIOD.
But i thought you said dosent matter the shade you come in???...Like i said people identify themselves 'cause of their heritage,culture,Skin color,etc....Alot of blacks are not 100% black but yet they identify with that.Latinos dont do that we identify with all our mixes wether it be black/white,black/indian or black/indian/white(of spaniard descent)..I think you still missing that point!!!!! im brown skinned and i have all three influences in my family.Im not going to claim a favor to one that's just stupidity and not loving myself.I claim latino 'cause i came up speaking spanish,Latino invorement.You claim black(which i doubt if u really look at you bloodline would not be100% black)'cause you came up with your beliefs,culture,etc. u take ya pick.Your whole thing was that Latinos claim more to their culture than their actual skin color which i agree,but you cant downplay that Blacks do the same thing!!!!
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There is a reason why Africans are real darker then some Blacks here in america 'cause yall AA's gotta be mixed with something most likely Indian/Native blood but yall dont claim that side to yall but aint no one looking down on yall 'cause of that so i dont really understand why Blacks gets pissed when certain Afro-Latinos do the same


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 11-22-2004, 02:02 PM         #148
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13Lack...eurocentric?

for most of this thread you were speaking knowledge, until now.... your from new orleans, there are no latinos there, maybe a couple of Mexicans, not sure. You don't know enough of our culture to start speekin on some BS.

Who owns univision? NBC, of course they want the lightest skinned sp1cs on a channel they own. And you keep sayin this bull sh*t on Latinos sayin that we are not black... duh.. we aren't, we aren't white either, nor indian, asian, or any of that.. we are LATINO/HISPANIC.... can you accept that? or are you racist?

Again the census is a lye. I lived in Puerto Rico till i was 6 and live there in the summer (my parents think education is better here)every year. Again, never in my life have i witnessed a Bori IDENTIFY themself as Black or White, they are Puerto Rican and if anything, that 80% is the skin color of THIS MAN.....

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The fact is the "80 percent" you talk about are that skin color^^, that is not white, unless i'm stupid.

 11-22-2004, 04:15 PM         #149
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Dam. I keep saying that PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO IDENTIFY WITH WHAT THEY WANT PERIOD!!!

Blackbloodline STILL dosen't change the fact that people, as dark as i am(im dark brown) with nappy/curly hair say they arent black. Thats the fact. I didnt say that was positive nor negative. Please stop saying i "look down upon" them. They have the right to identify with what they want. I just happen to not agree, though i understand

I dont give a fu*k if i was lightskinned. im still a black American, Thas what i am, and thats what ill always be.

I think the major "problem" here is culture. Blacks in American identify with something called a "one drop rule". its basically says , if you have one drop of black blood in you YOUR BLACK. This is eveident with the census, one of the key things in my argument. Out of the over 36,000,000 epeople that make up the AA community in the U.S. Over 34,000,000 identify as black /AA ALONE. I guess black people, well at least me, dont identify with the white part of themselves. I think its mainly because we dont want to identify with the slave master who were mixed with. I mean why would I? Im most likely the result of a r*pe. Of course not me personally. Im talking about how the majority of the white blood got into the black people of today. Im not talking about an immediate mix, like if a girl/ guy is the result of an interracial relationship today. Im talking about the mixing of slaves and masters 300+ yearrs ago that is eveident today in AA's. We have the tendecy to NOT idenify with the RAPIST basically, at least me personally. I think of it like this. If i was growing up during slavery. Its not like i would have special perks becasue the master sired me. If i would go up to him and say "dad" he would probably bat the fu*k outta u and tell you to go work back in them feilds n*gga.

During the Cvil rights movement, whites didnt dice blacks up as lightskinned darkskinned. You were ALL ******s and a threat to the white system of supremacy. I would just DIE of laughter if a Lightskinned black was to walk in a "white only" establishment of those days and say "Im not black. Part of your race is in me". They would beat the p!ss outta you and throw you out just the same. I would really fu*kin die if a Darkskinned one did the same thing. That dosent even look right to me as an AA, an obviously black person sayin they "not black". If your light skinned, Whites would say "you're still a n*gga, but you apple pie color".

Now you have asymilation/integration and now, whites can KINDA deal with people who look similar to them. Thats where your lighskinned Latinos and Light skinned blacks come in. Hypothetically speaking. If only blacks, both light skinned and dark skinned came in for a job interview. Given no other option, they would most likely choose a lightskinned person for a job. Same sinerio, except you throw a lightskinned/ medium complected Latino into the mix chances are they'll choose them. Its the way it is.

To sum it up, Blacks, at least in my opinon, dont identify with the white blood because we see it as identifying with the person who r*ped your ancestors and didnt care when she had children for him. Why would I identify with a rapist and an opressor. An opressor who not only opressed the children he sired but an opressor who's WHITE children continue this opression on the children of the slaves he sired 200-300 years. Why would i dentify with such evil?

See its about black conciousness and identity. MOST blacks have a certain consciouness about the way blacks were treated by whites during slavery and continue to treat us. therefore a LARGE % of us dont identify with the opressor. Why would we?

That my opinon on what I think. I cant speak for ALL black people jsut myself

 11-22-2004, 04:23 PM         #150
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"Tiene Raza" (has
race) used by White Puerto Ricans to describe those who have a touch of
African ancestry. I am not sure if this could be considered a form of the
dreaded one drop rule


This is one instance where

"Blangueamento"
(Whitening of the race) where Black slave women openly gave themselves to
their White-Hispanic masters in order to conceive light skin offspring, and
thus hopefully insure a better future for their descendants. Hispanics,
unlike their Anglo counterparts, were more likely to acknowledge these
children, and thus they were better treated than the others. Often times, a
White Hispanic would take on a Black Mistress, and have two families, one
White, and the other mixed. Today, you have Whites as well as mixed people
in these mentioned countries. This was also done in New Orleans.
something else interesting. It says "in New Orleans". I might be Latino. Should I or shouldn't I? Im just playin. I know i could never be Latino becasue i dont speak spanish and know LITTLE about the culture. Im content with being black.

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