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 10 years ago '04        #21
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You can't import an R34 here complete. They ship the car in pieces to be reassembled and then branded as a kit car built from parts.

Sort of a loop hole but still illegal if it's done to deliberately circumvent EPA and DOT regulations.

For as much hell that it takes to get an R34 here and street legal, no way is that ad for real for $14k.
 10 years ago '04        #22
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My cousin has a white R33 Skyline and he drives it to work daily. The 14k price is right because it hasn't passed inspection yet, now if it had already passed inspection, expect the car to be priced well over 30k+
 10 years ago '04        #23
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 Azntwins2 said:
My cousin has a white R33 Skyline and he drives it to work daily. The 14k price is right because it hasn't passed inspection yet, now if it had already passed inspection, expect the car to be priced well over 30k+
Is it RHD?

He drives an uninspected Skyline to work daily and hasn't been pulled over and the car impounded?

Bullsh*t.

Secondly, no the $14k price for an R34 ISN'T right.

Only R33's are allowed to be imported. R32's and R34's can't. To get the R34 over here, the seller must have spent more than $14k for it. Maybe more. Why only try to break even?
 04-16-2008, 11:27 PM         #24
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when i was doing valet i got to drive a skyline with right hand drive. it was pretty cool
 10 years ago '04        #25
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 Floeji said:
Is it RHD?

He drives an uninspected Skyline to work daily and hasn't been pulled over and the car impounded?

Bullsh*t.

Secondly, no the $14k price for an R34 ISN'T right.

Only R33's are allowed to be imported. R32's and R34's can't. To get the R34 over here, the seller must have spent more than $14k for it. Maybe more. Why only try to break even?
Bullsh*t? You don't know wtf you're talking about so I'm here to son you. His name is Zong and his car is sponsored by BFGoodrich & Exedy. Yes it's a RHD R33 Skyline. I would tell you how he got around it but all you would do is hate anyways. Also you can get an R32 and a R34 here in the states, I know of 2 other people that have one each in my state, one of them being a friend that has a R32. Hi Haters! :finger:


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 04-18-2008, 01:04 AM         #26
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Exactly the guy that keeps saying R32's and R34's are illegal in the states needs to get his info str8 i know aguy in my area has a white R34 and it is legal and inspected.Yes it is alot of hassle to get in ceritified int eh states but dude its a fu*kin Skyline in the US how many of those you see down the streets???Your average person who knows about cars willl never seen a Skyline in the states so yea its worth it.And i also am alittle bit sjkepticle about the 14K price tag but im sure theres some catch iono wat its about really lol.
 10 years ago '04        #27
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Have you read the article? Unless your friend got his R34 before 2006 most likely it's not legal. Or the car was purchased, dismantled, and shipped back over here as a kit car. Still not a 100% kosher, but it'll get around most prosecutors.

My info is straight homeboy.


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 10 years ago '04        #28
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 Azntwins2 said:
Bullsh*t? You don't know wtf you're talking about so I'm here to son you. His name is Zong and his car is sponsored by BFGoodrich & Exedy. Yes it's a RHD R33 Skyline. I would tell you how he got around it but all you would do is hate anyways. Also you can get an R32 and a R34 here in the states, I know of 2 other people that have one each in my state, one of them being a friend that has a R32. Hi Haters! :finger:
So, you're sonning me by telling me that the R33 is legal? I sort of said that already. They must have gotten their cars in before March 1, 2006. Grandfathered in. Still a lack of crash test data.


Vehicles imported into the United States that are less than 25 years old must comply with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS) regulations and they must be imported via a Registered Importer (RI). If vehicles are imported that do not meet FMVSS regulations, they must be brought up to compliance by the RI within 120 days of entry into the US. NHTSA also limits the models of vehicles that are eligible for importation into the United States.

NHTSA states, "to be imported free of restriction, a motor vehicle less than 25 years old must be originally manufactured to comply with all applicable FMVSS and bear a label certifying such compliance that is permanently affixed by the vehicle's original manufacturer.". Skylines, sadly, do NOT meet that criteria.

What does the above mean? First off, the NHTSA had originally determined that the 1990-1999 versions of the RHD Nissan GTS and GT-R Skyline were eligible for importation (R32, R33, R34 generations) as long as a HS-7 declaration is made. At the time it enters the US, the clock starts ticking and the car must be brought up to code via the RI within the 120 days allowed. Hey, this sounds simple!

Not so fast. The question that must be posed is: What is required to bring the vehicle up to FMVSS standards? That's a hard one to answer as only a few people really know. Many so-called "importers" CLAIM to know, but won't divulge their information under the guise of "protecting their business interests" which is a convenient way to skirt the question. In reality they have no clue as to the process needed for Federal legailzaton and simply dump the burden on their customers.

In comes the saga of Motorex. Motorex was a RI that was in business from 1998 to 2002 after which time they closed shop. Motorex took the initiative to work with the Federal Government in order to determine what is needed to bring an imported Skyline "up to code" to be legal within the US. As part of this process, they worked with JK Technologies to import numerous R33's, at their expense, for crash testing in order to determine the modifications needed. As a consequence, Motorex claimed a proprietary interest in the modifications which are now covered by a confidentiality grant. Not only did this give Motorex a corner on the market for legal Skylines, it also allowed them to command a premium price for each legalized car. In effect, other RI's do not have access to the information gained via the crash tests performed nor the modifications needed, thus they will not be able to get Skylines to meet FMVSS requirements.

While making loads of money, Motorex also made loads of enemies. In yet another interesting twist, it was alleged that Motorex didn't actually comply with all crash test requirements for the R32 and R34. The US Department of Transportation, in response, offically rescinded importation eligibility for both the R32 and R34 Skylines, therefore only 96-98 R33 Skylines were still eligible to be imported. However, since that date, Motorex encountered a flurry of additional legal challenges, ultimately closing its doors. As a result, there is currently no information available (confidential nor public) to legalize R32's nor R34's. On March 1, 2006, the NHTSA issued the following decision, rescinding nearly all Skylines from importation eligibility:

"This document announces a final decision by NHTSA to partially rescind a prior decision by the agency that 1990-1999 Nissan GTS and GTR passenger cars not originally manufactured to comply with all applicable Federal motor vehicle safety standards (FMVSS) are eligible for importation into the United States. As a result of this decision, only Nissan R33 model GTS and GTR passenger cars manufactured between January 1996 and June 1998 are eligible for importation. All other model and model year vehicles admissible under the prior decision are no longer eligible for importation. As a consequence, the agency is rescinding vehicle eligibility number VCP-17, which covered vehicles admissible under the prior decision, and issuing vehicle eligibility number VCP-32 to cover only those model and model year Nissan GTS nd GTR passenger cars that remain eligible for importation. The rescission will only bar the future importation of the model and model year Nissan GTS and GTR passenger cars that are no longer eligible for importation, and will not affect the status of vehicles that have already been lawfully imported under vehicle eligibility number VCP-17."

JK Technologies, LLC, who performed the actual crash testing for Motorex, did petition the NHTSA to perform crash testing for R34's. Due to the Motorex fiasco and VCP-17 above, the petition was denied and will continue to be denied for R32's and R34's. As for R33's, only JK Technologies have any information or the capabilities to federally legalize these vehicles.

To recap the above: Skylines imported into the US for use on public roads must either be over 25 years old or they must conform to FMVSS standards. While R32 - R34 Skylines were initially allowed for import, the FHTSA rescinded the importation of the majority of Skylines by limiting it to R33's that were manufactured between January 1996 and June 1998. In order to import a Skyline, an official RI must be used and they must fill out a HS-7 declaration for the vehicle. If the vehicle is to be used on the streets then the RI has 120 days in order to modify the vehicle to pass FHVSS requirements. The only company that has information in regards to Federally legalize R33's is JK technologies. No other RI has access to this information nor are they capable of performing the upgrades needed for Federal legalization. It is possible for another RI to Federally legalize R33 Skylines but they will have to first go though the costly process that Morotex/JK Technologies has already performed and as of this time none have done so.

Improperly Imported Skylines
There are numerous people who try and get around the importation process. Typically, these cars never even make it through the ports. Seizure by U.S. Customs Officials are ever-increasing and typically the "buyer" has already dropped a hefty deposit on the vehicle they're attempting to import.

Additionally, most of the "export only" (HS-7 claim) seized vehicles being auctioned are due to the fact that they have been held by customs and have overstayed their welcome. Typically, an uneducated buyer places a deposit on a Skyline they found on the internet. They tie up their entire savings on the word of someone who thinks they can sneak one in. The container arrives at port, the ship yard calls them up to let them know it's arrived and the RI can pick it up from customs. The buyer then realizes that you can't just buy a Skyline and drive it off the dock. They can't afford to get the car legalized nor does the RI they utilized have the capability, so Customs waits until the time limit expires and auctions the car off. Most people think the cars get crushed, but the truth is, they try to auction them off first to recoup unpaid dock fees, etc. But, as many will find, the odds of it being bought and exported are slim and it's most likely headed to a crusher. A NICOclub.com member relays his experience in this area:

"Just a brief description on what I do. I work for an auto auction inspecting vehicles. The department I work for handles government siezed vehicles, repos, and illegally imported cars. Today we recieved three R34 GTR's and a S15 Silvia that were seized from a few containers down at the port. The owner must be furious, I think any one would be, especially if you're a car enthusist like myself. Anyway, I wanted to share on what usaully goes on a normal day of work."

A brief review of a government seized property auction site in February 2008 revealed no less than eight seized Skylines up for auction (to be exported upon transfer). Eight cars per month on ONE site? Sounds like someone is losing a lot of money.

OK, So What Skylines Are Legal in the US?
Skyline models that are over 25 years old may be imported without having to be compliant with the NHTSA. Alternatively, Motorex imported a variety of R33 Skylines which are Federally legal and registered appropriately. Motorex-prepped R33 Skylines can fetch upwards of $50,000. Even though the R32 and R34's that were already imported are not technically legal due to their lack of crash tests, they do have a Federal bond release issued and were imported prior to the Motorex violations coming to light. These appear to have been "grandfathered" in. Good luck finding one for sale.

While the idea of importing a pristine Hakosuka or KenMari Skyline from the 70's sounds awesome, the reality is that these cars are harder to find in good condition. Even if you COULD locate one, they're likely to command a premium price (due to their own regulations old cars in Japan are costly to retain and register), and parts for your rare Skyline will be next to impossible to source in the US and are even difficult in Japen. Windshields for 1969-1972 Skylines aren't exactly common.
 10 years ago '06        #29
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To get a Skyline in this country could cost you upwards of 100,000. A company called Motorex can do it for you.
 10 years ago '04        #30
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 ima80baby said:
To get a Skyline in this country could cost you upwards of 100,000. A company called Motorex can do it for you.
Also in the article...

Motorex was a RI that was in business from 1998 to 2002 after which time they closed shop.
 10 years ago '04        #31
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 Floeji said:
So, you're sonning me by telling me that the R33 is legal? I sort of said that already. They must have gotten their cars in before March 1, 2006. Grandfathered in. Still a lack of crash test data.
No, I sonned your a.ss by you calling bullsh*t to my cousin driving his R33 Skyline to work everyday without getting a ticket or his car impounded and saying R32 and R34 Skylines are illegal to be imported here, don't try to pull some sh*t out of your a.ss and say "well I mean it can't be imported now"
 10 years ago '05        #32
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Basically, if you don't have deep pockets...don't bother. It seems like a cool idea to most people, but the cost's of maintenance for any car that was never distributed in the US are insane, especially when there's no vehicles to get crossover parts from. RB parts are gonna k!ll ya unless you do it right.

My homebody lives in Miami, used to go down there regularly, their group had 5 Skylines (R32's and R33's all gts-t's though), 2 Soarers, and an Aristo. All of them usually find themselves constantly strapped for cash.

You can find people in all over that sell "JDM" cars for decent prices, they will need some work, and none of them, REPEAT, none of them are Federally legal! All of these cars you find cheap are usually "State registered," a DOT officer can still pull you over and arrest you and destroy the car. My friends in Miami live in fear of DOT's when they ride around. Regular cops usually don't see past your Tags, Registration, and Insurance. That's why these cats are either paying somebody off or lucky as fu*k.

People will advertise as "Legal" but don't go into detail like this bullsh*t 350Z title. Make sure you know what your buying and the risk you take if you buy a "State Registered" Import.

The only Skyline ever made federally legal was the R33 GTS. Proper crash test data was never submitted to the NHTSA for R32's or R34's. The NHTSA will also not allow any more skylines to be federally legalized ever since Motorex's shady business moves. If you ever see a R32 or R34 federally legalized, it's because Motorex used the crash test data from R33's saying it was substantial for R32's and R34's (which was highly illegal on their part). The NHTSA found out about it after allowing a few to squeak by.

So now that you've read another brief summary of the history behind the whole "Skyline's in the USA," and believe me...thats brief compared to Floeji's post, you now have some idea on what your getting yourself into. I'm sure I won't change your mind, hell I still want an R32, I just want people to know, its not all fun and games with imported cars, especially ones that are illegal. I was about to buy an R32 GT-R after I sold my last car, but decided to build another drift/track car instead (S14 swapped with an RB20= R32 hybrid, same chassis)....Maybe one day I'll have an R32.


Just wait till 2014 and you can get a 1989 R32 without legalization, I'll probably just say fu*k it and get a gangster a.ss AE86.





Floeji knows his sh*t though. . .props on trying to let them know.


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 10 years ago '07        #33
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The last time i checked to get a skyline in the states,the car has to be de-tuned due to japan's smog regs are different that those here in the US.Right would be legal i've seen RHD BMW's here in Virginia.Back to the R-34 the cost of the conversion from JDM-Specs To USDM-Specs was about 90K.not including the cost of the car,Which is around 40-50K.
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 10 years ago '04        #34
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 iTzMe! said:
The last time i checked to get a skyline in the states,the car has to be de-tuned due to japan's smog regs are different that those here in the US.Right would be legal i've seen RHD BMW's here in Virginia.Back to the R-34 the cost of the conversion from JDM-Specs To USDM-Specs was about 90K.not including the cost of the car,Which is around 40-50K.
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I with u thats exactly what i thought. I thought the only reason the car couldn't be legal is because it wont pass a U.S smog. I no plently of people with RHD cars. My boy in VA has one and there really is a white skyline rhd running around queens i've seen it... But hey to each his own.. Propz for the news and propz for the person with 14k to buy wish i had the 14k talk about pulling up to the meets smiling :)
 10 years ago '04        #35
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 Azntwins2 said:
No, I sonned your a.ss by you calling bullsh*t to my cousin driving his R33 Skyline to work everyday without getting a ticket or his car impounded and saying R32 and R34 Skylines are illegal to be imported here, don't try to pull some sh*t out of your a.ss and say "well I mean it can't be imported now"
You didn't son sh*t. fu*k you and your cousin.

Still isn't legal.
 10 years ago '04        #36
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Basically, if you don't have deep pockets...don't bother. It seems like a cool idea to most people, but the cost's of maintenance for any car that was never distributed in the US are insane, especially when there's no vehicles to get crossover parts from. RB parts are gonna k!ll ya unless you do it right.

My homebody lives in Miami, used to go down there regularly, their group had 5 Skylines (R32's and R33's all gts-t's though), 2 Soarers, and an Aristo. All of them usually find themselves constantly strapped for cash.

You can find people in all over that sell "JDM" cars for decent prices, they will need some work, and none of them, REPEAT, none of them are Federally legal! All of these cars you find cheap are usually "State registered," a DOT officer can still pull you over and arrest you and destroy the car. My friends in Miami live in fear of DOT's when they ride around. Regular cops usually don't see past your Tags, Registration, and Insurance. That's why these cats are either paying somebody off or lucky as fu*k.

People will advertise as "Legal" but don't go into detail like this bullsh*t 350Z title. Make sure you know what your buying and the risk you take if you buy a "State Registered" Import.

The only Skyline ever made federally legal was the R33 GTS. Proper crash test data was never submitted to the NHTSA for R32's or R34's. The NHTSA will also not allow any more skylines to be federally legalized ever since Motorex's shady business moves. If you ever see a R32 or R34 federally legalized, it's because Motorex used the crash test data from R33's saying it was substantial for R32's and R34's (which was highly illegal on their part). The NHTSA found out about it after allowing a few to squeak by.

So now that you've read another brief summary of the history behind the whole "Skyline's in the USA," and believe me...thats brief compared to Floeji's post, you now have some idea on what your getting yourself into. I'm sure I won't change your mind, hell I still want an R32, I just want people to know, its not all fun and games with imported cars, especially ones that are illegal. I was about to buy an R32 GT-R after I sold my last car, but decided to build another drift/track car instead (S14 swapped with an RB20= R32 hybrid, same chassis)....Maybe one day I'll have an R32.


Just wait till 2014 and you can get a 1989 R32 without legalization, I'll probably just say fu*k it and get a gangster a.ss AE86.





Floeji knows his sh*t though. . .props on trying to let them know.


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 10 years ago '05        #37
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if you got the bread though why not? those cars are fu*kin nasty. . .
 10 years ago '04        #38
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 Floeji said:
You didn't son sh*t. fu*k you and your cousin.

Still isn't legal.
I never said it was legal, fu*k you and your dumb a.ss points fu*k boy, it's easy to run your fu*king mouth online e-thug. Your broke a.ss is too poor to afford a skyline let alone a nice car and now your bi*ch a.ss is hating on the next person. You are a LAME Take your loss and move on bi*ch.
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Yo Floeji dude you think you know everything but i know for sure that its not that costly to make the switch to the US but the thing i agree is that the maintance will cost bread cuz the parts will most likely have 2 be imported but still buying the car for 14k if so you would come out ok cuz youll have the difference in what the car normally cost to spend to get its over here and take care of it.But by no means is it illegal and def not that impossible to get over as your stating bro.
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 ~~S.L.I.M.~~ said:



Basically, if you don't have deep pockets...don't bother. It seems like a cool idea to most people, but the cost's of maintenance for any car that was never distributed in the US are insane, especially when there's no vehicles to get crossover parts from. RB parts are gonna k!ll ya unless you do it right.

My homebody lives in Miami, used to go down there regularly, their group had 5 Skylines (R32's and R33's all gts-t's though), 2 Soarers, and an Aristo. All of them usually find themselves constantly strapped for cash.

You can find people in all over that sell "JDM" cars for decent prices, they will need some work, and none of them, REPEAT, none of them are Federally legal! All of these cars you find cheap are usually "State registered," a DOT officer can still pull you over and arrest you and destroy the car. My friends in Miami live in fear of DOT's when they ride around. Regular cops usually don't see past your Tags, Registration, and Insurance. That's why these cats are either paying somebody off or lucky as fu*k.

People will advertise as "Legal" but don't go into detail like this bullsh*t 350Z title. Make sure you know what your buying and the risk you take if you buy a "State Registered" Import.

The only Skyline ever made federally legal was the R33 GTS. Proper crash test data was never submitted to the NHTSA for R32's or R34's. The NHTSA will also not allow any more skylines to be federally legalized ever since Motorex's shady business moves. If you ever see a R32 or R34 federally legalized, it's because Motorex used the crash test data from R33's saying it was substantial for R32's and R34's (which was highly illegal on their part). The NHTSA found out about it after allowing a few to squeak by.

So now that you've read another brief summary of the history behind the whole "Skyline's in the USA," and believe me...thats brief compared to Floeji's post, you now have some idea on what your getting yourself into. I'm sure I won't change your mind, hell I still want an R32, I just want people to know, its not all fun and games with imported cars, especially ones that are illegal. I was about to buy an R32 GT-R after I sold my last car, but decided to build another drift/track car instead (S14 swapped with an RB20= R32 hybrid, same chassis)....Maybe one day I'll have an R32.


Just wait till 2014 and you can get a 1989 R32 without legalization, I'll probably just say fu*k it and get a gangster a.ss AE86.





Floeji knows his sh*t though. . .props on trying to let them know.


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I had a friend in high school who's father has 2 Skylines. Perhaps they're in the same group. They lived in Davie though.
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